Do you approve of this hole?
Most of us can’t stand the pain from being poked by a needle, or even a paper cut… but what about having a permanent hole in your body??
Fistulation is a surgical process where a hole is intentionally made on the cow’s side to give scientists access to the internal organs of an animal. A large number of fistulated cows are used for scientific research, where they are experimented on for the digestibility of different foodstuff for cows. Perhaps such experimentation may benefit life stocks by developing better foodstuff for cows, but will they just grow faster to get slaughtered?
Not all fistulated cows are used for scientific research, some are used for medical purposes. When cows are sickly, having a sterile stomach can be very fatal because the normal bacteria that helps the cow to digest food are no longer there. In this situation, veterinarians take some of the stomach bacteria from another fistulated cow, and use it as medication for the sickly cow.
This practice has caused an uproar within anti animal cruelty and anti animal experimentation groups. However, scientists and even some veterinarians are adamant that fistulating a cow with a cannula (plastic device) does not harm the cow in anyway, and that this surgical process actually increases the cow’s life expectancy. This life expectancy is compared to cows who are bred for meat, milk and leather…
What do you think about fistulated cows? Do you think it is ethical to conduct such research on these cows for the benefit of other cows? Do leave your comments below.
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A researcher reaching into the cow’s stomach to remove some samples.
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The dairy industry invented a new way to abuse cows, and is now cutting holes in them to improve milk production.Its call fistulation and a very cruel act of experiment in cows.The researcher are doing it to test the digestion of different, experimental blends of oats to create a more balanced feed for the animals.But they are doing it on the poor cows for their own sake. Fistulated cows are used for scientific research but the method used ,i do feel its cruel.Cannot imagine the pain the cows suffered as have witnessed many cases of fistula fixed in human.Its very painful i do feel it.
Hope the researcher will find other alternative ways to do their researchn not on cows.
Thank you Rinpoche for sharing.
If this is acceptable, then for all the human patients who has a heart condition, a stomach condition, or a brain condition, should have a hole opened up on their body to faciliate the monitoring of their condition. So that the doctors can prescribe suitable and better medicine for the patient. Strangely, this is not done on human. But it is done on cows and the scienctist think it is ok. Just because the cow are held in captive and cannot speak human language does not mean that we, as human, can throw away morale standard and do what we wish onto the animal.
Seriously put a big hole on the cow to access his internal organs and the scientists said it is not painful? This is a very cruel and horrible act. Can’t they find other methods that does not bring harm and suffering to the cow? Ridiculous thing is that they even make the research center into a pet zoo so children can experiment putting their hand into the cow stomach. What message/value are they instilling to children? I hope this research center will change their method and stop this cruel act.
I have never heard of, read or seen fistulation before this. That is just plain cruel. Do we cut a permanent hole on a human for science and medical research to benefit mankind? What we don’t do to ourselves we shouldn’t do to animals.
Whatever benefits and knowledge gained are only to be used to breed more cows for milk, meat and leather. How does this remotely benefit the animal at all!!!
I do not approve of holes being made in cows, or any other living thing. I had never heard of this procedure before, and I find it very shocking, unnatural and cruel.
So wrong. Absolutely cruel and unethical! If it shouldn’t be dobe on a person it shouldn’t be done on an animal! This is criminal and abusive.
Este cel mai rau exemplu ptr omenire si un masacru adus animalelor si tot odată îmbolnăvirea populatiei datorita chimicalelor folosite. Este un genocid înfăptuit ptr îmbogatire rapidă.Ar trebui si autoritățile sa aibe implantate cannula sa simpta cum este!
I am so sorry which I really cannot stand this kind of thing happened!!!It’s sound like the scientist want to benefit the cow actually is not. Because they make some of the cow suffer more…I couldn’t stand that you want to help someone reduce their pain, but before the pain be reduce you used knife to cut their skin…what is the logic behind…I do not understand??!!Can someone explain to me?
My logic is if you want to help someone, that you must sure the person or the cow not go through the suffering process until you successful stop their pain or suffering.Same like what is all fistulated cows experienced now.
One thing I only can think about is the scientist tried to make sure all their experimental successful then they can benefit from there, it’s all about their own benefit not the cows:(:(Very cruel!!!
Please stop it immediately!!!
In my personal opinion, instead of condemning it, we might need to take a step back to see and look into the matter differently.
Fistulation is being done for research purpose is understandable. Maybe instead being exposed they should have a closed lid. I don’t know. However, as a past researcher, animal ethics and human ethics are always the most tedious thing to be passed through before any experiment or research are being carried out. Most importantly, the well being of the test subject. If this “experiment” or “procedure” was approved, then there should be certain standards that are being instilled in order and to prevent any issues or legal cases being condemn on.
No doubt, there will be better and different ways to do than that method, probably one agency or research group, should look into that matter. I do believe there is always a reason behind this procedure and matter rather than, we without knowing anything about agriculture or animal produces in terms of research should talk about it.
Rather than condemning, maybe we can treat this as an educational thing like what rinpoche has showed, and levy, the pro and cons about it. And maybe put a little thought for the people who are stucked in the lab and farms, taking care of the animals and have the courage to do them.
Just a two cents of my thought, I may be wrong, I do appreciate some constructive debate about it.
I wouldn’t want a hole in my body, i will have no comment as i personally do not think this is good and it is a for of cruelty to animals, which i hate, but they say the cow lives longer. Also if the cow lives longer, it will just be longer with the hole. No comment today
愿诸病有情，速脱疾病苦！亦愿众生疾，毕竟永不生！
众生具有情，因为因果而有了不同的受生，我们既然有了功德转世为人，得到了善缘能以人身（六道里最适合修行佛法）寻找与学习佛法，那么我们就应该停止了所有不好的恶因
倘若我们因为某些原因，可能是为了尝美食，为了研究等，而想从其他的有情众生里，把我们贪婪的欲念，并因为我们自己想得到长寿或食物，而把我们的想“快乐与幸福”转载成在他们的身上演变成痛苦
那么我们不过是在这娑婆世界里，继续了一切的因果循环，并在六道里不断轮回着，我们现在是在人道，但是我们把自己觉得的快乐与幸福，演变成其他有情众生的痛苦
对，他们是痛苦的，但我们还忍心的加剧他们的痛，他们的受伤的心，他们怨恨的心，他们的鲜血与眼泪，我相信，这些都会是牵引我们堕落下三道的因
停止吧
感恩仁波切的分享与开示，祈愿仁波切长驻在世长转法轮
天啊看了这影片我真得觉得惭愧，人们为了研究竟然如此对待动物。我们人类真的应该好好的向动物们忏悔。我们是灵长类，应该要想出更好的方法，而不是去伤害动物。
This is just disgusting! How would u feel if that hole was in your body permanently? It is just sad that the research facility can even use it as a tourist attraction, brain washing the children that it is okay to do things like this. Through this, what are we telling our next generation? Hurting animals that are weaker then us is okay and we should continue doing so? Or do we torture animals in ways then say it is okay because it is for research sake.
It is just unbelievable that how people would even do these kind of things to animals. We should not be harming them in any way. More to say not like this!
It’s just fucked up…. It’s worse than a matrix, its scientist who lost their humanity somewhere along the way. Why if normal person hurt dog or cat, will go to prison, but this butchers stay free and keep torturing animals?! “Scientist” who can’t observe animals without cutting them, should not be allowed to practice science, because this is not a science..
This is cruelty to the animal who is voiceless. Just another sick practise in the name of science. I hope for the day where this is all stopped. People can survive just fine not eating animal meat. They would be a lot healthier too!
I do not approve of this hole being made in cows
Well I don’t really believe that this is being done for the greater benefit of other cows. Throughout history, cows have been doing very well on their own without needing all these interferences! It seems like humans have messed up the living conditions, health and welfare of cows and methods like fistulation are to either repair what they’ve damaged or, more selfishly, to make it “easier” for humans to breed cows for their own benefit – food, fashion, even more scientific research etc. Just as Rinpoche has pointed out, “Perhaps such experimentation may benefit life stocks by developing better foodstuff for cows, but will they just grow faster to get slaughtered?” So… exactly – the “life stocks” (and what a horrible way to refer to living creatures, as stocks!) are benefited but only so that they can ultimately benefit humans.
I don’t think traditional farming methods would ever have conceived of something so cruel and unnecessary. And cows have been doing just fine all over the world for centuries without needed such violent intrusions. Cows – like every other living being – were not made to have holes through their stomachs and for their internal organs to be made so readily “accessible” to others! If they were meant to be like this, then surely they would have evolved and developed to be this way. The fact that they haven’t means that procedures like this are totally necessary.
Dear Rinpoche,
I totally do not approve this stupid act that these people would do such a thing to an innocent cow. It is true how we cannot stand a paper cut, being poked by an needle and any other forms of pain and yet there are people here making a permanent hole in cows just to make another cow well.
What i just don’t get it is that why make a cow suffer a permanent hole just to heal another cow, why make two cows suffer instead of one? It just doesn’t make sense to me because of that.
To me and think for most of the people it is just so disgusting and gross,totally can’t believe that even the kid shown in the picture really went and put his hand in that cows stomach. Even if somebody paid me a million bucks i would never in my life put my hand in to any animal’s stomach
Thank you so much Rinpoche for sharing this disturbing yet realistic news. It was a real eyeopener and mind blowing.
Love
Jutika
OMB… this is seriously VILE! How can humans actually do this? A feeding tube in a human is such discomfort let alone a gaping hole forced open by a contraption for ease of extracting contents from the stomach of a poor cow???
There is something really wrong with ANY justification one can come out with to say it is for the betterment of these animals and in the name of medical research!!! Talk about delusional and selfish reasons.
On the other hand, imagine the karma of the poor cow, being born as an animal and on top of it being subjected to such torture…
wow this is quite disgusting. but even if this benefits other cows this might affect the cow. these cows should have the right not to be treated like this, they have rights too!
I do not approve of this hold at all. This video is just disgusting to watch. And Humans do this to experiment. I cant imagine the pain that the cow is in when people stick their arms inside the cow. Can you imagine if that happened to you? Do you think you would like it? I don’t think so. People should never do this to an animal. Please stop this.
This is so sick. The scientists may claim that it’s to clean up the bacteria and stuffs in the stomach, but why can’t they find a better way that benefits the animals and humans. Animals in the sense that they do not have to suffer through all these inhumane activities. On the other side, humans do not have to collect more bad karma.
Thank You for sharing Rinpoche, I have no idea that they have these kind of activities in other countries until i saw this article.
Love,
beatrix
This is sick! The things we come up with in the name of science… What have we become?
I seriously do not care what is the purpose of the hole at the stomach of these caws for. Either for saving other sickly cows or whatever, it just doesn’t make sense. These cows do not feel the pain because they are on high dose of painkiller. Can you take it if a doctor make a big permanent hole at your stomach and telling you that he’s gonna take something from there from time to time to save someone’s life?
I can’t believe it…the skin’s there for something, right, to protect what’s under it…this is so abusive I’m speechless. Something needs to be done to give the cows a right for the integrity of their bodies back.
Even a pin prick we say OW! What a about a hole in our stomachs,oh my and how much antibiotics they have to feed the cow. Lets not harm animals anymore, animals feel TOO.
This is ridiculously sick and seriously there is no humanity at all! I strongly disagree to use animals for research, be it for science, medicine or food. Why hurt other living beings just to satisfy our taste buds or the so-called betterment for us human beings?
We always talk about human rights, oh yeah, but what about animals rights? People just ignore it. Sad. Animal cruelty is a big issue. If no one speak up and take legal actions to it, according to some research, by 2022, 22% of all species will be extinct.
我真是看傻眼了，太不仁道了！！不管有千百个理由也不应该这么样伤害这些动物。这些科学家口中所说的实验真的能够帮助人类吗？我们不想得到痛苦，动物也一样不想受到痛苦！！动物和我们有着同样的感受。。。停止伤害这些可怜的动物吧！！请大家茹素！！
I definitely do not approve of the use of this method and can’t imagine that their is a need for these methods?
I mean if we can simulate and study the secrets of the universe through simulation and study without actually going to the sun or visiting the nearest black hole.
Why do we need to rely on and use animals for testing and food when their are so many other alternatives so much better for our health and the environment. We have tools such as virtual modelling in some cases better than the real thing, for surgeons to practice NEW techniques less invasive methods safer for patients?
So the real question that WE should be asking of science and scientists is why do we need to use animals in this way? If you would not do this to yourself what makes it right to do this to other beings?
For scientist that are meant to have some brains between their ears? doesn’t seem like the best use of resources and brain matter in my view.
I met a scientist in this field 10 years ago and asked the exact same question to her? I can’t believe this post has jogged my memory after so many years. To cut a long story short…a random conversation was a catalyst for this person to make a change…the decision had been made but required a tipping point.
What sticks in my mind is the realization in her eyes that what she had done in her role was not good. The fact that she shared this information with me was a big step (even she admitted this) not even her family knew what she did for a job. After all these years I hope she found the new occupation she was looking for at that time.
For these reasons I made the decision to NOT eat meat for the remainder of my life because I want my actions to match my beliefs.
Looking back after many years of practice it is great to see the results of not being attached to food, that next meal and being able to dedicate these merits.
I would humbly request that we may deride those on the other side of this debate, jump up and down and call them every name under the sun but would suggest that we can make a difference by being compassionate activist.
xo
Imagine- if an alien put a “fistula” on us; and, told us that they are doing us good by researching on us, how long we able to survive or how to prolong our life in order to use us more e.g: eat our meat? Becoming energetic slaves for them? I think i rather die than becoming a research objects.
The cow, can’t shout at us and say NO! Can’t cry, can’t tell us that they are afraid.
In the name of research, how many animals have to scarify their life to gives us an answer. By the name of science how many centuries the animals is torture and killed, until the research is so call completed.
If science can get an answer related to human from an animal, this mean, science is actually thinking that the animals are similar to human.
ini sudah terlampau, lembu pun boleh rasa sakit, kalau pakal sain buat ujian kepada manusia separti lembu, ada beberapa orang yang boleh menerima.
Everyone has different point of views but for Buddhism view, we should not hurt or kill living beings. Even if research or test may prolong the life span of cows. But they will ended up as a product to produce milk and meat to satisfy the taste bud of humans. This post is similiar with the bear bile duct for medicine purpose. http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/animals-vegetarianism/dont-buy-bear-bile.html
Many animals were used to test with some medicine or do some experiment to get a result to get a best medicine to cure human.
Many of us do not know that many medicine which we are using now and it cure/release us from pain or suffering, actually it brought suffer to some animals and caused their life in some cases.
its very hard to see this holes on the body of cow as i know how painful it is. I hope that the test will not take such longer time and there are less of such terrible test in future.
Thanks Rinpoche for sharing this post….
I really can’t accept it and pity the cows, why they can treat the cows so cruel…
I really can’t imagine it, if this hole is on human being….
We are totally so lucky that can be human being in this life…
No way! This make me sick to my stomach! I’ve even read somewhere a “scientist” said that the animal won’t feel hurt! I can feel for the cows by merely looking at it, what more imagining myself with on of this “fancy” hole!
this is disgusting!
allowing others to touch whats inside makes it extra disgusting. this is sad.
The pictures of the fistulated cows just makes me sick! How could we do this to the cows or any other animals? This is just cruel. Yes it might be for whatever “research” to help the cows, but at the expense of what? Their bodies? Poor cows.
At the risk of sounding like an ignorant idiot, these research are being conducted for what exactly? So that the cows can grow bigger and faster therefore killing it in a shorter time? Reasons for the research at the end of the day is also for us selfish human beings. This is downright ABSURD!
Another question, how do we know if the fistulation doesn’t harm the cows? Does that mean the poor animal does not feel any pain?
How can we do this to our kind mothers? How do YOU like having a hole in your stomach? No thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing this, Rinpoche.
Much Care,Jess
看了这报道，很恶心，为所谓有智慧的人类感到羞耻。以科学、研究、医药种种之名，把痛苦放在另一个生物，应该是我们都以为的“没有感觉、任我们宰割的动物”身上。
我们常常为了满足自己的小小利益、欲望，牺牲了他人的福利和幸福。这可以是个借镜，告诉自己做任何所谓的“伟大”发明或什么决定前，站在他人的角度/立场来想一想，不要一味从自己的利益出发，唯有这样才不会出现这样荒谬可恶的想法/做法。
己所不欲勿施于人，从茹素开始，从身边的人事物开始。感恩。
This is so terrible and making me sick. Of course none of us human want to have a hole in our stomach for any reason. I don’t think such a research on these cow will actually benefit others. I am only seeing the suffering of these cow. So cruel, so pain.
這些被用在科学研究的动物们，身心一个定是受到很大創傷，真的為它們所受的痛苦難受。人類需要對自己行为反思。
What makes us so superior that we can torture these animals like this? why don’t we put a hole like this on our stomach? even by just looking at the pic, i also feel the pain… this is really so ouch….
这就是人类的需求和科学进步，所以带给动物的痛苦。
如果将来外界的外来物对我们人类有同样兴趣和研究，同样感受一样的痛苦。
是人类想要的吗？
聪明的消费人，世界上还有其他代替品!
I wish all the scientists and vets who say that fistulated cows are doing fine, to have a hole in THEIR stomachs for others to poke around in. Would they allow it?? Of course not. So where do they get off saying that the cows a fine??!
Seeing the pics makes me glad I am vegetarian and I am never going back to meat. This is just another reason to stop eating meat or using products the involve animal testing.
This has got to be the most horrible thing I have ever seen. It looks so inhuman, what goes through their mind to make them do this? This is not the way cows were meant to live. Imagine having people constantly putting their hand inside you. Looks so painful and uncomfortable. It’s like the cow is some sort of machine or toy, for human gain. Horrible
I support this scientific research because it benefits people. If you are worried about the cattle, they actually live longer than normal due to the care given them as research animals.
trully obscene…feel like vomiting…..the child being encouraged to put his hand in…wooah…just abhorant ………
Utterly gross. Ok let’s turn the table on the people who came up with the idea and who insist it is absolutely no harm to the cows as they show no protest anyway. Let’s poke a hole in their stomochs and shove our hands in the hole and manipulate their insides while they are still awake. That should be ok too, since it’s ok the other way around? If you say it’s ok, prove it. If you protest, shows it’s not ok, then why do it to the cows? Why the double standard?
For decades, experiments which cause pains and sufferings have been conducted on animals, either to develope new medicines or to test for safety of products. Such tests also reduce the quality of life in animals in many other aborminable ways. Ethically, spiritually, humanely and in the living rights of a living ‘being’, no one should have the liberty to do so, i.e incurring pains and sufferings to it! Compassionate ethicists think we humans should hve a greater moral responsibility towards such animals, and make it compulsory to carry out reveiws before such experiments are been carried out. Care and attention should be paid to reduce possible distress, pains and sufferings to its minimal level if any to be caused to the poor animal. Any living animal also has life and is still a living being and has the right to live through it as given!
I wonder if the scientists and veterinarians would agree to have a hole on their bodies even if they were told it would not harm them. If we stop eating meat, such research need not be conducted at the expense of inflicting pain on those poor cows. In a nutshell, its for profits $$ that such atrocious acts are still being done in civilized societies and packaged as “research”.
I saw these in a documentary years back and felt that it is so wrong! I pity the cows because of the pain they have feel every second they live! People are generally so selfish. All for their own needs!
No more excuses. Stop eating meat immediately.
What karma brings such an Overself here as a cow with a hole in her stomach? Regardless of how worried and sad I feel for these cows and how unapproving of this practice, and neither can I pretend to know that a greater power is at work, but what is this greater power that is at work on this? I know there are sufferings in nature but this is one of those things that makes me struggle with thoughts that I see humans as the worst in the cause of sufferings, manmade sufferings. Why are we here? This planet had evolved well before human existed in it. So what are humans doing here on earth and being “the greatest” intelligent species we are among other intelligent species, and having the greatest and the worst of creations ever created by any creature on this planet to our credit.
I am not a scientist, but I know science have brought us to where we are. That we are more knowledgeable through science. I do ask thought, is this the best way that these scientists can learn? People get opened up too to be saved. If it can be done, would anyone person volunteered to expose and display their inner body like these cows for the sakes of science. In this crazy world that I know of, I won’t be surprised that someone would, though the thought of it does shock me.
I don’t know what else to think but I wish these cows can tell us what they think, and how they feel.
But i wish most, I pray they be free from suffering…
The “fistulated” cows are then often put on display at events especially in Universities to lure Children and prospective student as well. Look how low people can go just to prospect students. There are more humane ways to teach science and animals to students than having them to reach into a cow’s stomach!.
ooohhh. This is so sick!
How in the world the make such a hole to the cow?
For any reason, I don’t think it;s right!
Not even human can take it. I just hope when they want to do all this they can think of the reflection of doing it to themselves.
Just like Lew mentioned, if can’t stop it but at least we can be vegetarian to contribute the lessen of animal being slaughtered. From here hope they build up the compassion mind towards animals.
Om Mani Peme Hum… Human action make the animals so suffering. May the scientist Ignorance to be clear so that they can stop this kind of unskillful and cruel experience…
This is terrible and sickening!!! What kind of research is this to harm these beings!!!
This is so cruel!! No matter what you say that the cow does not feel anything or increases its lifespan, it is totally cruel. I’m sure it is very painful to cut out that hole! Poor cows….. We should all be vegetarians and that will definitely reduce the need for research on how to breed the cows faster.
I do not support this cruelty in the name of research!
Human find many reason and excuses for science purpose to improve better our human live. But always cause more pain to other animal.In this case fistulated cow.
It is work to do all this experience cause animal suffering and when it will end leave the permanent hole at the cow body.
I totally disagree with this kind of act. Why not do the same on the scientist’s relative body so that they can do research on what foods are better for human, if successful, their relative will be benefited and be part of the “legacy” in the science history!!?!
In Chinese we said “己所不欲，勿施于人＂，means whatever things that we do not want to have, never give it to others.
In fact, many researches have proven that milk, high protein food such as meat are not necessary or suitable for human being to consume. All these protein end up become Acidic Waste which causes lost of calcium in individual body.
Everyone should be vegetarian now.
For whatsoever purpose, that is no convincing reason to have fistulated cow. All kinds of animal can survive and know how to live in wild. Cows and other wild animals have been living in this planet for thousands of year without fistulation. I believe all beings have self-healing ability naturally, they know how to treat themselves when sick unless they are being locked and unable to look for the “medicine” they need.
Human is really sick now, because of wanting higher productivity from animals to fulfill their unreasonable desires like making big profit then used whatever painful way to cruel animals with better name of scientific advancement!!!
If those scientists have right motivation and are so sincere to improve life of any beings, then they should sacrifice themselves to be experimented with all kind of tubes, drugs and devices, like that I will really respect and salute them as they are just a living Buddha!!!
Hopefully one day, Dharma can become one of the compulsory subjects in all the schools and universities.
Thank you very much for sharing Rinpoche. Take very good care.
With love,
VP
Seriously sick and intellectually moronic to justify with any reason that this is done and is ok. To introduce a child to this sick act is really bringing the moronic index to another level. Sorry for the cows and even more sorry for these researchers. Om Mani Padme Hum!
The main reason why such gross actions can be done on the cow is because the human species think that they are more superior , a class above other beings !! How sad is that ? When these humans are reborn as cows , I am sure they don’t want to be treated with such cruelty !
Shared this via FB and my uncle commented as follows:
‘They will be rewarded with retribution the next life…pray for mercy’
I cannot see how these people can allow themselves to tolerate, let alone participate in a process such as this. You would not be able to do this if we were to remotely regard the cow as a living being capable of pain.
I am sure the same people would just flip their mind if they found a hole in their house, car or an expensive item of clothing. It is a pity that they cannot feel for living beings.
Who benefits from this procedure anyway? What kind of research benefits from digging holes in living beings? I thought medical science was heading towards patching up holes instead of making them.
This is really awful. Imagine the hole on my stomach and doctor putting their hands into it to check it daily just making me feeling so sick. Whenever I think of it, the image of patients in the PICU with tubes around them appeared on my mind. So much suffering the cows have been through. Om Mani Padme Hum.
In addition to become vegetarian, we should also stop using any product that using animals for testing.
May all beings be free from suffering and be well and happy.
If we don’t pray to Boddhisattvas to help and don’t help others, than there is no such thing as Dharma. The most important thing, problem in today’s times are all those complete idiots and retards that are living with the thought that theyare kings and everyone should respect them because of technology and mind-control! I say fuck them! let us kill them immediately! I bet this is what Buddha Amitabha really wants. if you will do nothing, i am not gonna stay with my hands in my pockets and wait ”for jesus” :)).
I cannot believe my eyes how fucked this humanity really is!
Now will be the time for The Great setrap to take measures in His own hands and kill humanity!
I request Him to do that!
Watching this video makes me feel sick in my stomach. This is just not right, this is so against the nature. Human being is really scary, we will do anything to feed our desire/attachment.
This makes me sick ! Man is the only species that causes suffering and pain to other species ( besides doing the same to their very own kind ) , justifies the actions in the name of science , or whatever , and then claims and declares that Man is the most intelligent , civilised species amongst all the other species ! What they are doing to those poor cows is cruel and barbaric !
OMG… Big Hole on stomach..!! Human beings have no RIGHT to doing this to an Animals. Not even for science and any research. Animals have feeling too.. Stop animals cruelty!!!!
Grotesque and unacceptable action by stupid beast to gentle animal.
Shame on those who justify such atrocity by saying it actually benefits.To those people I ask them to have the same done on themselves if they declare that it is beneficial and there are no side effects or detrimental consequences if they truly mean what they say .
I watched a documentary on this some time ago, I felt so sorry for the poor cow.
How would you like to have a hole in your stomach so that others can dig into you any time they wish in the name of science and research ? : (
There are many things in this world that we find abhorrent, the practice of experimenting on living animals is one. Some may argue that in time we as humans recieve benefits from this practice and when we recieve these benifits some in the form of drugs to save our life’s , some in the form of new food stuffs and some that do actually benifit the very animals we torture, we as humans are apt to suddenly forget the animals that gave their lives for our benifit. One might ask which is more abhorrent those who experiment or those that benifit and forget. I would ask all who condem in the name of the Buddha to think first of the benifits they have recieved in their lives from birth until now. I would suggest that not one of you has not been in reciept of an antibiotic, a pill of some kind, a treatment that has not come from an other sentient being. Perhaps we should pause to give thanks and praise for the countless thousands of sentient beings that have given their lives for you. Condemnation of acts of cruelty is commendable perhaps we should look to our fellow man and put our own house in order first. Perhaps we should stop condemning others for their difference of faith, colour, creed,politics, or the choice we make in what we eat. Remember in our lives we will all kill something I hope it is not your compassion for your fellow man.
omb this is seriously disgusting and what the heck are we thinking?!?!? My uncle once had an operation to remove a ruptured appendicitis and they made an open hole on the side of his abdomen to let the bad stuff flow out into a bag… if we would cringe at the thought of having a gaping hole in our side, imagine someone putting their fist into that hole and rummage around everyday. These are live cows! Not machines!
This is so sickening. Especially the last photo of a young boy sticking his hand inside the hole.
How would we feel if we have a hole in us? Even though this is for research purposes I feel that it is very cruel and inhumane.
Stop eating meat and let’s create less sufferings for the animals.
The day they try to put holes like this on human is the day the humans will stop committing such horrific things like this! Let’s get a hole in a human and exhibit him/her in a petting zoo and even let your kids (like shown above) stick their hands in your internal organs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We humans don’t think that animals hurt and feel the same as we do? I heard a very religious woman say to my face that “GOD” created animals to kill them and eat them… I’ve never heard such a savage statement coming from a Sunday church going lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that’s how others think. Wake Up!!!
it is kind of cool i dont re post bear bile video
which part of the truth of everything does not everyone understand? this is my question and is asked dutifully and is required to be answered dutifully
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Unable to post comment.each and every hole on earth is worthy of understanding so long as there is zero sufferring thsi is why we are here the surveryors in the slaughteryard
Andrew Hibberd
Your posts make absolutely NO sense! its like you randomly put various words together that make no sense and have no meaning!
As we can see from these photos of the cows here every time they do research they have to resort to animal cruelty may it be cows,monkeys or whatever animals they picked the animals will have to endure sufferings during the experiments,so we better go for animal free tested products and stop eating meat.
Omg, how cruel!!! Eww ewww eww eww eww EWW! And OF COURSE the researchers will say it’s necessary, that we have to do the research for the sake of human kind etc etc.
Animal testing disgusting and cruel. How is the anatomy (chemically or physically) of a cow any way like that of a human? How is the anatomy of a rat, and its reactions any way like that of a human?
And you know what? If it IS like that of a human, that means THEY can feel pain too, just like US. So if WE don’t like to feel pain, why on earth would they???
Oh Gosh! How would one feel if we were treated like these cows?
OMB! How can they do this just because they want to save someone else life by making a BIG HOLE in another’s life in this case the cow! Imagine it if we as the human having the BIG HOLE on the body. Do we want that? What makes the cow different from us human? Just because they are animal? Yet still they are a living being like us.
Whatever the intention it may be, making a hole (a hugh one, by the look in the pictures) on the cows is subjecting the poor creatures continual suffering! In on the pictures, I could see the side of the hole is bleeding and I guess it will never heal properly.
Whoever thinks it is OK to dig a hole big enough to put an adult hand in it is crazy! Why not let the cows dig a hole on your stomach in the name of healing you ??
NO! Animals should never be treated like this! Imagine if we used human beings for similar reasons? It’s not justifiable at all. So how can they justify it for animals? There must be better ways of helping the other sick cattle.
For a start, everyone who feels bad for cattle being treated like this should become vegetarian. Killing animals just to satisfy our taste buds is worse than fistulating cattle.
Reasons like, “It’s not convenient for my family and business associates when I’m vegetarian.” are all lame excuses. I’m vegetarian and I have absolutely no problems dining with my family and business associates. If they don’t want to eat with me or associate with me just because I’m a Buddhist who doesn’t kill, then too bad! I WILL NOT KILL JUST TO GET INTO THEIR GOOD BOOKS!
Dharma practitioners should start walking the talk because that they are practising compassion. No matter how much they justify, there is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING!
We should, in any way, cause harm to other beings.
Saying that making a hole in the body is not painful is plain BS. If we say it is not painful, then I would ask, “would you mind I put a hole in your body, but it is not painful”.
We may not be able to do much to stop all these, but the very least, we can become vegetarian and stop more animals being slaughtered.
Lew, you mean “we shouldn’t” I hope…:)
I squirm when I see hospital patients with tubes going in and out at various points in their bodies. To think that these poor beings have to bear with the hole all their lives. And have people poking their hands inside to dig around. Oh that hurts!! I wouldn’t want someone to do that to me. So let’s not put these beings thru torture.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE SICK HUMAN MIND. THE COWS ARE BEINGS NOT THINGS TO BE EXPERIMENTED ON….WHAT WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT? IT IS DEFINITELY CRUEL WHATEVER THE MOTIVE ARE…IT THIS THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE SO CALLED SCIENCE FOR THE BENEFIT OF HUMAN BEINGS? WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT OF OTHER BEINGS? TOTALLY UNWHOLESOME ACT AND MUST BE CONDEMNED. WHERE IS KINDNESS AND COMPASSION THAT WE ALL SHOULD DEVELOP & CULTIVATE? IMAGINE ALIENS DOING THAT TO HUMAN ON EARTH FOR THE BENEFIT OF THEIR KIND!!! TOTALLY DISGUSTING RIGHT? PERIOD.
Whatever it is that I could not bear my mother to suffer, I should not accept it for any other being.
I should feel the same compassion.
Because there is no difference between the suffering experienced from the side of the being, be it my mother or another being.
There is no difference but how my mind perceives this being, and that perception does not make the suffering less.
So, to me, it is only plain logic, if I imagine my mother the object of such experiment and I feel sick, then there is no ground to accept the same suffering for any other being.
I don’t believe there is actually anything that would justify using animals for research for so-called “betterment” of humans – for their food, science, medical etc. It’s very logical – why would humans be more “important” to justify the lives and pain of so many other animals, just for the sake of bettering OUR health or something as frivolous as our beauty!!!
The scariest thing now however, is that we can’t always tell if products that we’re using have been tested on animals or not. Some of them do state on their packaging that they haven’t tested against animals, but many of them don’t say this – do we assume then, that they DO test on animals? You just can’t tell, really. It could be anything as simple and unassuming as a tube of lipstick, or a shampoo, or single capsule of medicine.
It could also be that a company may not themselves engage in animal testing, but components of the ingredients they use for their products come from companies that do – there’s a lot of hidden “truths” out there that manufacturers could easily bypass and lie about.
But I guess every bit of effort counts and we can start a step at a time to actively choose brands that DO state that they are against animal testing, or finding other more natural alternatives to the things we use. E.g. using natural remedies instead of high end medicines, or natural ingredients as toiletries and cosmetics instead.
What do you think about fistulated cows? Do you think it is ethical to conduct such research on these cows for the benefit of other cows?
I think Fistulated cows are used to research the digestibility of different foodstuffs for cattle, still its very cruel to do this to animals, imagine, we have a hole with us for the whole life!
There are some people laying in hospital beds with tubes sticking out from their bodies leading to medical equipment. Some of these patients could be in in such situations for days and weeks. But humans are far better treated in hospitals than animals in places such as this shown in the pictures here.
The scientists and vets may claim what they are doing is to find cures and it enhances the cows’ life span. But to leave a gaping hold for bacteria, germs and virus to invade is shocking. Surely, there could be better and humane ways to conduct such experiments.
seriously sick , it is as if the cow is a product no longer a living breathing being.
We must stop eating meat immediately. Without any excuses. TR
Imagining myself as a cow but with a thinking human brain? Do I want my body with a unclosable hole? On another hand I feel I am very much attached to my body because I cannot stand it when my body is in pain, unclean or tired.
Your body already has 7 completely un-sealable holes. 2 nostrils, 2 ears, a mouth, a urethra, and an anus. We allow doctors to reach into any of these holes when we feel there is something amiss, what is different about these cows?
He said unclosable, not unsealable. Also, all of the openings you mentioned evolved for a specific natural purpose, this did not.
Are you fucking serious! This has got to be some sort of wind up…
I want no part of this, even being human taints me with the scientists lack of respect and compassion for their fellow beings. Bastards.
These cattle with fistulated rumens are used so that cattle don’t experience nutritional deficiencies with diets that have been used by rural ‘farmers’ for a long time. They also are used to help attain healthier meat from cattle by manipulating concentrations of specific fatty acids with some being beneficial to the animal itself as well.
It does look daunting at first sight, however due to the SURGICALLY administered cannula into the rumen, these cattle are A LOT better off than some cow at a dirty, unproductive, poorly managed country farm.