The Spirit Nyatrul: Magic, Mischief and Misery
If it is not Pehar entering the Nechung Oracle (pictured here) and speaking, then who has been advising the Tibetan leadership for the last few decades?
(By Tsem Rinpoche and Pastor Jean Ai)
I recently had the pleasure of speaking with a learned geshe who said he had some information to share about the spirit Nyatrul. It is often claimed that this spirit is what inhabits the body of the Nechung Oracle whenever he takes trance in Dharamsala, and that it is not really Nechung (or rather, Pehar) who is addressing the congregation and giving prophecies and advice. Some people reason that it is this switcheroo that is the cause of the multiple false prophecies that the Nechung Oracle has given over the decades.
Not much information exists in general about the spirit Nyatrul who has created so much trouble for the Tibetan leadership so I grabbed the opportunity to learn more about him, especially when Geshe-la told me Tagphu Pemavajra was involved with Nyatrul’s story. Tagphu Pemavajra is one of the tutors of His Holiness Kyabje Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo, and the same one who astral travelled to Tushita in order to receive the practice of Dorje Shugden from Dorje Shugden himself.
Geshe-la told me the story of Nyatrul’s rising as a vengeful spirit and how it relates to Tagphu Pemavajra, according to the writings of H.E. Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche (who happens to be one of H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche’s gurus). He explained how and why Nyatrul continues to cause problems for the Tibetan leadership and, according to the workings of karma, why no one has been able to subdue him. Most of all, Geshe-la explained how it relates to the rumours that it was really Nyatrul (and not Nechung) who told His Holiness the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden.
I had always suspected as such because Rinpoche previously told us that Nechung had been bound by oath by Guru Rinpoche to protect the Dharma. Given Guru Rinpoche’s fearsome reputation for engaging in (and winning!) wars of magic, and for being an incredibly effective subduer of spirits, it seemed impossible that Nechung would be able to break this oath and make up false prophecies, to the detriment of the Tibetan people. Surely it had to be someone else doing it and according to Dagom Rinpoche, it seems my initial suspicions are correct.
What I found intriguing about Nyatrul’s story was the Tibetan leadership’s extensive history of resorting to violence and murder to solve their problems. Detractors, enemies and people they are jealous of (or find to be a nuisance) are done away with and just like Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, attempts are made to wipe them from the history books. Fortunately, there is one form of history they have not been able to whitewash, which is a tradition that is particularly strong in Tibetan society – oral history.
Equally intriguing for me also is why the Tibetan leadership continue to rely on the Nechung Oracle when questions have been raised for decades regarding the accuracy of his prophecies and the authenticity of his trances. In any case, I hope you find the story of Nyatrul as interesting as I do, and that it sheds some light into a leadership that clearly has a long way to go in terms of providing for and benefiting their people.
Pastor Jean Ai
Background
Geshe-la started by telling me that he does not think it was Nechung who told the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden, and he suspects that it was in fact Nyatrul who told the Dalai Lama to do this. In many incarnations, Nechung had requested Duldzin Drakpa Gyaltsen, Panchen Sonam Drakpa and Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen to become a Dharma Protector. It was not logical, therefore, that Nechung would tell the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden when it was he who created the circumstances for Dorje Shugden to arise.
As a peaceful lama, Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen lacked the anger to become a Protector. Nechung therefore had to create conditions between Zimkhang Gongma (Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s Ladrang) and Zimkhang Ongma (the 5th Dalai Lama’s Ladrang) for conflict to manifest and lead to Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s death. [click here to learn about how Dorje Shugden arose] The origins of how he got the name “Dorje Shugden” are unclear; even His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche said he needs to check who gave him this name. One tradition says the name “Dorje Shugden” was given by the Sakyas and another tradition says it was given by Nechung.
On the topic of Nechung, when in trance of the Oracle, he had previously warned, “You must be careful! The ghost will touch Heruka’s mandala” meaning he will kill Pabongka Rinpoche (who is Heruka). The meaning is that the Dalai Lama must ban Dorje Shugden. If he does not, Nechung will kill him.
This type of prophecy cannot be real and cannot come from Nechung as the real Nechung, bound by oath to serve the Dharma, would not give this type of prophecy. As has been said by many high lamas of the past, it is not easy to take trance of Nechung. Based on this and the fact that the Nechung Oracle has been giving false prophecies (when he should not be doing so), Geshe-la strongly feels that it must be Nyatrul who is entering the Nechung Oracle.
In the past, back in Tibet, when the trance invocation (chendren) was done by the Tibetan government བོད་གཞུང་། Gaden Phodrang, people did not believe the resulting prophecies. If Drepung Loseling Monastery did the invocation however, then people would believe the prophecies given. So before the Nechung Oracle took trance, people would ask where the trance was being held and who was conducting the invocation prayers. If it was a government one, they would say that there is no need to go. If it was being done at Drepung, then they would go. This was back in Tibet and it was commonly known that people would ask these questions.
Depiction of Nechung
People did not believe the government trances were real because they knew Gaden Phodrang actually murdered Nyatrul, so Nyatrul hated them. Hence when there was a trance at Gaden Phodrang, Nyatrul would come to disturb and make problems by giving false prophecies. People however, believed the Drepung trances because Nyatrul did not have any issue or connections with Drepung so he did not go to disturb and enter the Oracle when the trance was held at Drepung Loseling.
The basis of why the Nechung prophecies are unreliable, and some of the false prophecies given by Nechung (possibly Nyatrul) to the Tibetan government:
| 1. | In his biography, the 6th Dalai Lama said we cannot trust or rely on Nechung’s prophecies. |
| 2. | The 13th Dalai Lama’s debate partner (tsenshab), a Mongolian geshe from Drepung Gomang called Dorje Yab, and a famous minister Zha Gab Pa’i (ཞྭ་སྒབ་པའི།) recorded in their respective writings Nechung’s misprophecy during the 1903 British invasion of Tibet, which resulted in the 13th Dalai Lama fleeing to China. Dorje Yab recorded this in his autobiography, and Zha Gab Pa’i recorded this in his book on Tibetan history titled Sid Don Gyal Rab (སྲིད་དོན་རྒྱལ་རབ།).
During the British invasion, Nechung told the Tibetan government not to have fear. He told them to tie a vajra on the flag and carry it at the front of their army, who were mostly from Tsangpa. They should wave this flag at the British army and the enemy would be vanquished immediately, falling where they stood. Instead, when the Tibetan army went to war and did that, after they saw the British army and before a single cannon could be fired, the Tibetans themselves fell down and pretended to play dead to escape further harm. The Tibetan general, seeing his men’s reaction, ran away. After that incident, the public in Lhasa gathered a group of beautiful girls to perform and sing a song to tease Nechung and the Tibetan government. One of the lyrics from the song they sang is “The army went to war and Nechung went in another direction to look after the sheep.” This story was recorded by the Delhi Shugden Society as part of the first President’s 25 volumes of writings titled Cut Down the Liars. |
| 3. | The 13th Dalai Lama received wrong medication as prescribed by the Nechung Oracle and died as a result of this. After his death, the Kashag questioned the doctor on the Dalai Lama’s illness and what medication was given. It was then revealed what the Oracle had done. Subsequently, the Oracle was expelled and removed from his Oracle position. Kun Phen (ཀུན་ཕན།), one of the 13th Dalai Lama’s assistants, was banished to Kongpor (ཀོང་པོར།) as a result of this. |
| 4. | In 1959, the 14th Dalai Lama was told to stay in Tibet by Nechung (another misprophecy). It was Dorje Shugden who told Dalai Lama to leave. |
| 5. | In 1973, Nechung said that Dorje Shugden must be banned. From that day, it can clearly be seen that there have been a lot of problems in the Tibetan community. From the number of problems that have arisen, it can clearly be seen that this was one of the misprophecies. |
| 6. | Some time before Geshe-la arrived in India (in the 1980s), Nechung took trance of the Oracle and said he has sent a 12 billion-strong army of gods to Tibet. He told everyone not to worry, that they can go back to Tibet soon. So His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama told everyone not to make or build anything permanent because they would be going back to Tibet soon. Nechung said, “It is now morning. Just have to wait for the sun to rise.” |
If it was really Nechung taking trance of the Oracle, Geshe-la said that these types of misprophecies would not happen because Nechung is bound by oath to protect the Dharma. Hence these problems and misprophecies must be coming from Nyatrul.
How Nyatrul Came to Be (Origins)
Based on the writings of H.E. Dagom Rinpoche
When the 13th Dalai Lama was around 20 years old, one of his senior tutors, Demo Rinpoche met a really strange man who was a Ngakpa. This man gifted a very precious, rare pair of silk soles (for the shoes) to Demo Rinpoche. After receiving the soles, Demo Rinpoche thought, “This is a very good pair. For an old man like me, this is not very useful. This one, the Dalai Lama may like it.” So he gave it to the 13th Dalai Lama who was very, very happy to receive the offering.
A typical Ngakpa. Ngakpas are non-monastic practitioners who have received specific empowerments and are considered tantric specialists. Although non-celibate, they are not lay practitioners and follow their own extensive system of vows, distinct from the monastic vows.
The Dalai Lama was about to put on the soles and wear it when Nechung took spontaneous trance and said, “You cannot wear this. It may have something bad that can harm you. You should cut it first then wear it.” After cutting it, the Dalai Lama found there was a chakra inside with a black magic spell. The Kashag then held a meeting to investigate who gave the gift and sent people to find that person.
When they discovered that it was Demo Rinpoche who offered the soles, they expelled him from the position of tutor. His Ladrang was sealed and a ban was put on the search for his reincarnation. All of this was announced publically. To this day, no one knows who the Ngakpa was.
At that time, there was a lama who Demo Rinpoche highly respected as someone worthy of making offerings to. His name was Nyari Tulku and he was an expert on retreats, having done millions of mantras of Tamdrin Yangsang. The Tibetan government started to doubt him because he was a tantric master who was very close to Demo Rinpoche so they had him arrested.
They bound his hands behind his back and publically, they split his skin down the length of his torso and skinned him so his chest skin flapped downwards to expose his internal organs. Behind him, they hung up a sign saying that he was the one who sent black magic to the Dalai Lama.
Nyari Tulku did not die immediately. As he died, thousands of people passed by and spat on him, rebuked him, scolded him and insulted him because they could see the sign. In reality, he was actually innocent and falsely accused and punished. Being extremely disappointed and disheartened, he made prayers and swore that in his next life, he would reincarnate as someone who can destroy the Tibetan government (including high lamas and anyone else who tried to stop him). Subsequently, he passed away and his body was not given a proper burial – they did not do a sky burial where he was offered to the vultures nor was he given a proper cremation. They just dug a big hole and dumped his body in there, then buried it and built a black stupa on top of it.
After a year or so, the stupa began to crack. In an incident that was universally known, a crow was seen emerging from the stupa and flying away. In Lhasa, in the same year, there was a drought and as a result, many difficulties arose, for example a bad harvest. The Tibetan government then ordered Gyuto Monastery to repair the stupa as there were so many cracks. When the Gyuto monks went to rebuild it, they had to remove the stupa from the base in order to repair and rebuild it. When they did so, they found that Nyari Tulku’s body had arisen from its formerly flat position and was now sitting halfway upright.
After this, whenever the Nechung Oracle took trance, a dusty / sandy whirlwind would be seen emerging from near the stupa and going to Nechung Monastery. This incident was also universally known.
At the order of the 13th Dalai Lama therefore, the Tibetan government sponsored a wrathful fire puja led by Serkong Dorjechang and involved 20 Gyuto and Gyume monks who had completed the retreats for the yidam practice. This fire puja was to destroy Nyatrul.
Before the puja started, the night sky was so clear that all the stars could be seen. As soon as the puja started however, black clouds covered the sky. It started to rain heavily with sleet and the fire for the puja nearly died out. Staff from the Tibetan government arrived to add a lot of oil and butter to the fire to stop this. During the fire puja, Serkong Dorjechang had finished making offerings to the yidam (meditational deity). When he was about to make offerings to the entourage, the fire became very red and inside the fire, a loud snap could be heard. A sparking ember flew from the fire and landed on the side of Serkong Dorjechang’s nose. It burned him and he cried out, “Ah tsao!” At that time, the other 20 monks whispered amongst themselves that this was not good.There are many requirements of a fire puja but the main three compulsory ones are:
- You cannot speak or make any sound other than chanting the prayers
- Your elbows have to be kept close to your body, no wider than your knees
- Your hands must grasp the vajra and bell at all times
In crying out due to being burned, and the subsequent whispering after that, all of the monks involved in the fire puja had broken one of the three compulsory requirements of a fire puja. So it was said that the fire puja was not completed well and it was not a good sign / auspicious. Sure enough, after the fire puja, nothing changed and Nyatrul still continued to harm.
His Holiness the 13th Dalai Lama whose premature death was said to be caused by wrong medication prescribed by the Nechung Oracle. It has been proposed that the Oracle was inhabited by Nyatrul, and not Nechung (Pehar) at the time.
Later in his life, the 13th Dalai Lama entered Yamantaka retreat. At that time, Tagphu Pemavajra came from Ngashu (his homeland) to Lhasa for a pilgrimage. He came by himself, incognito and quietly, taking on the appearance of a normal monk without rank. The Dalai Lama heard that Tagphu Pemavajra was in Lhasa on pilgrimage. Speaking to one of his retreat attendants, Abso, the Dalai Lama said to him, “I think Tagphu Pemavajra is in Lhasa nowadays. Call him, I want to meet him.”
Abso asked the Dalai Lama, “Rinpoche, are you going to scold him or something? I can call him.” The Dalai Lama said, “No no, I have a request for him.”
During Tagphu Pemavajra’s visit, he was staying at Tashi Choling with Pabongka Rinpoche. Abso sent a messenger there. The messenger said, “The day after tomorrow, the Dalai Lama has confirmed to meet with you at Tse Phodrang [in the Potala]. You must be there at that time.” After the messenger relayed the message, there was a lot of talk and confusion in Tashi Choling. People were wondering and questioning why the Dalai Lama wanted to see Tagphu Pemavajra. Was he being summoned to be scolded or something?
[[Geshe-la’s addition based on Tagphu Pemavajra’s biography: Why did Abso and the Tashi Choling people immediately assume that the Dalai Lama wanted to scold Tagphu Pemavajra? Because many years ago, the 13th Dalai Lama had jailed Tagphu Pemavajra as part of a widespread campaign to arrest and get rid of tertons (terma / treasure finders). Many of these were fake and running around claiming this and that. Tagphu Pemavajra however, was real. During his incarceration, he showed a lot of miracles and gave teachings. His jailers and fellow prisoners were so impressed, many become monks. Eventually, he was released when people realised he was real. This story was recorded in Tagphu Pemavajra’s namthar (biography).]]
Pabongka Rinpoche and Tagphu Pemavajra did mö (dice divination) and the result came that there was nothing to be worried about, that it was very good and Tagphu Pemavajra could go. Even if the Dalai Lama scolded Tagphu Pemavajra when he went, because it is a lama scolding, he can take it as a purification and blessing. According to the tantric teachings, obstacles can be removed through the lama’s scolding. It is the guru’s wrathful method of clearing our obstacles. So based on this, Tagphu Pemavajra went to Tse Phodrang.
When Tagphu Pemavajra went to Tse Phodrang, the Dalai Lama said to him that because Tagphu Pemavajra is a high lama, when he arrives and leaves Lhasa, he should inform the Dalai Lama and seek audience with him.
[[Geshe-la’s addition for context: this custom originally arose from the Dalai Lamas not being able to travel out of Lhasa very much to other places, being the king of the country. So the Dalai Lama relied on these lamas who travelled to and from Lhasa to carry out his instructions in other regions of Tibet, and then report back to him on their works, results and findings upon their return to Lhasa. This used to be for Dharma purposes – what teachings to give, how the monasteries are faring, etc. – but over time it has devolved into spying and politics.]]
So the Dalai Lama asked Tagphu Pemavajra why he came to Lhasa so quietly. Tagphu Pemavajra said he came as a normal monk to visit the pilgrimage sites. If he came as a high lama, then it would be a lot of work to do related to this and the associated expenses would be high, which his ladrang would not be able to bear / afford. So for this reason, he came quietly. “Oh, if that is so, then okay,” the Dalai Lama said. The Dalai Lama asked if Tagphu Pemavajra had visited densa sum (Gaden, Sera and Drepung). Tagphu Pemavajra said he had visited Sera and Drepung, but had not gone to Gaden yet. The Dalai Lama asked if Tagphu Pemavajra saw Nechung Monastery during his visit to Drepung, as the monastery is located below Drepung. He said that nowadays, Nyatrul had been harming many people. Tagphu Pemavajra said, “Indeed. When I visited Drepung, I saw that Nyatrul was standing in front of the Nechung Monastery gate.” But on his way back, Tagphu Pemavajra did not see Nyatrul there and where Nyatrul went, he did not know.
The Dalai Lama said, “Yes, exactly. Nyatrul has been troubling us by taking trance of the Nechung Oracle. This has resulted in a lot of harm to us. So I have gone through many lamas to destroy Nyatrul but I found out you are the best of them. Now you have to take responsibility of this. So whatever things you need to do the fire puja, the government will arrange these things for you.”
Tagphu Pemavajra had no choice, he had to agree to this. He said, “This is very important. I will stop my pilgrimage now. I have done many retreats in the past. I want to go back to my homeland Ngashu to do one more year of retreat, then I will return to Lhasa and do the fire puja.” So he returned to Ngashu and went to his meditation place, and entered into deep retreat.
After a year, Tagphu Pemavajra completed his retreat and prepared to go to Lhasa. He and a small group of assistants set off for Lhasa. Halfway on their journey, they came across a big river with a grassland nearby. They set up camp there for the night. The weather that night was very pleasant at first. Suddenly, a black cloud covered the sky and it became very windy. It started to rain very heavily with thunder and lightning. Tagphu Pemavajra was wearing a raw silk zen so he held it out in front of him. When the lightning struck, he suddenly and quickly trapped some liquid and some unknown object in his zen. He very loudly shouted, “OI!” and asked for a container to quickly be brought to him. Startled by the sudden loud shouting, his assistants became nervous and scrambled to find a container. In their haste, they picked up the dog bowl and brought it to Tagphu Pemavajra. When they put it in front of him, Tagphu Pemavajra said, “This is not right, I cannot put this in a dirty container. This is not a good sign.”
Then whatever he had trapped in his zen, Tagphu Pemavajra threw into the nearby river. On the spot, he composed a letter to the Dalai Lama. In the letter, he wrote, “I have finished my one year retreat. I did set out for Lhasa after my retreat to fulfil the commitment I made to you. In the middle of my journey, we had stopped at this place” then he wrote about the sign he had received at that place, and that they missed that good sign. He wrote, “Therefore in this life, I cannot subdue Nyatrul. I will pray for the possibility in my next life.”
After this, many subsequent attempts were made to subdue Nyatrul including recitation of the Kangyur, fire pujas, torgyas, etc. but none of the attempts so far have been successful.
Upon examination of the events, it can be concluded that up until now, Nyatrul has done a lot of harm to Tibetan politics and Buddhism through his misprophecies.
[[End of notes based on Dagom Rinpoche’s writings]]
QUESTIONS
QUESTION #1: Why does Nyatrul target lamas like Pabongka Rinpoche and deities like Dorje Shugden then? They did not do anything to him to deserve his wrath.
ANSWER: By virtue of Tagphu Pemavajra accepting the Dalai Lama’s request to subdue Nyatrul, Nyatrul was angered. Tagphu Pemavajra showed intent to destroy Nyatrul – he stopped his pilgrimage and went into retreat for a whole year for this specific purpose. So anyone subsequently related to Tagphu Pemavajra, whether it was a lama like Pabongka Rinpoche or a deity like Dorje Shugden, would invite Nyatrul’s enmity since Nyari Tulku, as he died, made a vow to destroy the Tibetan government (and therefore any high lamas or beings related to them).
QUESTION #2: How come Tagphu Pemavajra and the other high lamas cannot subdue Nyatrul? The 13th Dalai Lama could not subdue him so he had to ask Serkong Dorjechang, Tagphu Pemavajra, etc. How come Nyatrul does not have the karma to be subdued, since he is a spirit and not an enlightened being?
ANSWER: The root of the problem is that the civil servants of the Tibetan government punished Nyari Tulku even when he was innocent. They knew he was innocent AND they knew that it is a sin to kill.
They cannot subdue Nyatrul because the fault lies with Gaden Phodrang who created the karma to be affected by Nyatrul. Until Gaden Phodrang finishes their negative karma, they will continue to be affected by Nyatrul who, when he died, had the power of truth on his side (since Nyari Tulku was innocent and did not do anything wrong).
Therefore their inability to subdue Nyatrul does not come from the side of Nyatrul as a spirit with the karma to be subdued, but from the side of Gaden Phodrang who do not have the karma to subdue him.
When they have extinguished their negative karma from killing Nyari Tulku, then Nyatrul can be subdued or he will disappear automatically (because the karma for him to exist as such is extinguished).
The Tibetan government has to experience the consequences of their actions, according to the law of cause and effect (karma). If they can subdue Nyari after they murdered him, it means they do not have to suffer the consequences of their actions. It would mean they can kill anyone, take bribes from anyone, etc. without having any negative result or karma.
QUESTION #3: the circumstances of Nyari Tulku arising as Nyatrul, and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen arising as Dorje Shugden are quite similar. Both were innocent lamas murdered by the Tibetan government. How come Nyari Tulku became a spirit? What is to stop people from accusing Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen of becoming the same?
ANSWER: the answer is three-fold:
- Just because a lama does a lot of retreats, practices, etc. does not mean they are attained because these are external signs of practice. Hence, just because Nyari Tulku had done millions of mantras, does not mean he has the same attainments as Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen. We do not know Nyari Tulku’s attainments, BUT the attainments of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen are clear – he was Duldzin Drakpa Gyeltsen, he was Panchen Sonam Drakpa, etc. and this is recorded. So it is possible for Nyari Tulku to become a spirit, and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen to become a Dharma protector.
- The lamas had different motivations at the time of their death. As he died, Nyari Tulku vowed to return and take revenge on the Tibetan government. As Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen died, he vowed to return as a Dharma protector. So the prayers they made at the time of their death, and their ‘motivation’ for dying was different
- The circumstances of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s murder was arranged by Nechung. It was intentional that he would die a violent death so that some anger would arise in order for him to return as a wrathful Dharma Protector. If you question the circumstances of how Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen arose as a wrathful Dharma protector (i.e. he must be a spirit because he died a violent death just like Nyari Tulku who became a spirit), then you must also question the origins of Palden Lhamo, Hayagriva and all of the other wrathful Dharma protectors too. Their origination stories are no less violent.
Addendum
The Tibetan leadership’s connection with Nechung spans centuries. This study, by Christopher Paul Bell titled “Nechung – The Ritual History and Institutionalization of A Tibetan Buddhist Protector Deity“, chronicles the relationship between the Dalai Lamas and Nechung, and how Nechung’s practice become state-sanctioned during the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama.
It was the Fifth Dalai Lama’s government which endorsed, renovated and improved Nechung Monastery, as well as expanded Nechung’s ritual cycle, thus setting the course for the Tibetan government to come to heavily rely on his prophecies. To read the PDF document, click here.
For more interesting information:
- Nechung – The Retiring Devil of Tibet
- Biography: The 4th Tagphu Pemavajra Jampel Tenpai Ngodrub
- H.H. Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche (1878 – 1941)
- Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche’s Clairvoyance
- Did you know this about Pabongka Rinpoche?
- Holy and Profound Pabongka Rinpoche
- Taking Refuge by Je Pabongka
- What Others Say About H.H. Pabongka Rinpoche
- Taking Refuge by Pabongka Rinpoche
- Incomparable Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche
- My Precious Teachers
- 700 Meet a Buddha
- 10 Holy Dorje Shugden Statues in the World
- Dorje Shugden Gyenze to Increase life merits and wealth
- Dorje Shugden Trakze to Dispel Black Magic & Spirits
- Dorje Shugden: My side of the story
- Dorje Shugden Retreat: A Powerful practice to fulfill wishes
- Dorje Shugden Teaching Videos
- H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama
- Largest Dorje Shugden in the World
- Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors – A Definitive Guide to Dorje Shugden by Trijang Rinpoche
- Panchen Lama’s Dorje Shugden Puja Text
- Sakya Trizin’s Dorje Shugden Prayer
- Shangmo Dorje Putri the Bamo of Sakya
- The 14th Dalai Lama Prayer to Dorje Shugden
- The Great Council of Lhasa
- The Sakya Lineage of Dorje Shugden
- To Sum It Up
- Trode Khangsar – A 400 year old Dorje Shugden Chapel in Lhasa
- Who is Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen
- Who is Kache Marpo
- Dharma Protectors of Tibetan Buddhism
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Why not create merits on behalf of Nyari Tulku? Perhaps Nyari Tulku will be appeased?
Build a retreat house and name it after Nyatrul’s name, e.g. “Nyari Tulku Hall” or “Nyari Tulku Park”. Put his statue/thangka there and pray for him daily.
Isn’t it customary to build a temple or a house for bikshus and dedicate the merit for a deceased loved one who has passed away even many years ago? Such monasteries usually has names inscribed on their walls. The names to whom the merit (of constructing that particular monastery) was given/transferred to.
I mean, if I were brutally killed, and then the ones who killed me also tried to kill my spirit, I would be very angry, too. However, if the perpetrators repent and generate merit regularly on my behalf, i might forgive them some time in the future.
The spirit Nyatrul is especially fearsome and is determined to see the demise of the Gaden Phodrang. Because of karma, certain obstacles cannot be so easily, overcome and defeated. The killing of Nyatrul was especially brutal, hence it created tremendous negative karma for Gaden Phodrang.
Interesting article…. Unfolded missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. In Tibet and throughout the greater Himalayan region, oracles have played, and continue to play, an important part . Such as assisting governmental decision-making and providing intelligence on pressing matters of state.
For the past decades, the Tibetan government has in fact created shocking decision that affect Tibet badly. Wrong judgement and has cause the death of the 13th Dalai Lama , Nyari Tulku and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, which are some of wrong-doings. They have created negative karma for themselves, and have to suffer and experience the consequences for decades. But up this day the Tibetan government still believe and rely in Nechung when oracle took trance even though they knew that it is actually spirit Nyatrul. It was Nyatrul not Nechung who created the harm to Dorje Shugden and must have told HH the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden. The truth shall prevail, soon or later.
May the ban on Dorje Shugden be lifted soon for the sake of harmony and peace among the practitioners and non practitioners .
Thank you Rinpoche and Pastor Jean Ai for this interesting write up for us to understand better.
Thank you so much for this article. By reading this article, i just get to know that the spirit Nyatrul has created so much trouble for the Tibetan leadership which i has no idea about before this. What I found about Nyatrul’s story was the Tibetan leadership’s history of resorting to violence and murder to solve their problems.
I was wondering why the Tibetan leadership continue to rely on the Nechung Oracle when the questions have been raised for decades regarding the accuracy of his prophecies and the authenticity of his trances.
Dearest Rinpoche
When will the female Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri join Methar on Dorje Shugden’s alter at Kechara?
Beautiful billboard just came up in our hometown of Bentong where Kechara Forest Retreat (KFR) in Malaysia is located. All of us in Bentong are warm, simple and very friendly people. Our beautiful billboard depicts Dorje Shugden statue in KFR and Dorje Shugden is a hero (pahlawan) and a powerful being from Tibet. He is highly respected for giving great inspirations and blessings from his life story.~Tsem Rinpoche- See more beautiful pictures- https://bit.ly/2UltNE4
这个美丽的布告板刚在我们的家乡——文冬安装好。文冬是克切拉禅修林的所在地。我们文冬人热情、朴实和友善。我们美丽的布告板描绘着禅修林里的多杰雄登像，而多杰雄登是位英雄，也是一位来自西藏强大的守护者。从他的生平我们得知他因赐人加持和灵感而备受尊崇。詹仁波切- 点击链接查看更多图片： https://bit.ly/2ThOvVa
Thank you, Rinpoche and the blog team for sharing this interesting information about this spirit that can be one of the causes of Dorje Shugden ban. It is not a surprise to know that the Tibetan government had caused another human being to reincarnate as an evil spirit that wanted their downfall because they had wrongly persecuted him with such a cruel and inhumane way. Any human being that dies in that kind of circumstances will have a lot of powerful negative emotions.
The modus operandi of the Tibetan government has been the same since the 5th Dalai Lama’s time. They just eliminate whoever they think is threatening their power and in Nyatrul’s case, they killed an innocent man with a cruel way. The karma that is created by the government created the cause for Nyatrul to be able to interfere with Nechung’s trances and there is nothing the Tibetan government can do.
This shows us that karma works in its own way and even a powerful Dharma protector’s oracle can be inhibited by an evil spirit. We reap what we sow. Now the Tibetan government have to suffer the risk of getting false information from the Nechung oracle until their karma exhausted. They should not have trusted the advice when the oracle spoke against the practice of Dorje Shugden which is around for 400 years without any problem.
I was wondering, since it was in the Mandala of the Dalai Lama, how come Nyatrul as a spirit can still enter to create trouble? Because for such a powerful Lama like Dalai Lama, he definitely can prevent Nyatrul from entering into the Oracle. I understand the negative karma created, they have to face it for it to be purified, but when the the ban was inflicted, people who suffer is not just the government people, many Dorje Shugden practitioners also being pulled into this and they have experienced tremendous suffering. Lastly, since Dalai Lama is a Bodhisattva, he is the emanation of Chenrezig, how can he not see this oracle is taking trance of Nyatrul and not Nechung? Are we saying he is the false Dalai Lama or he actually does this for other purposes.
Nyari Tulku is innocent, he was murdered and vowed to became a spirit, I understand this was his previous karma created for him to be in this situation, but hope his negative karma will be exhausted soonest before he created more negative Karma from harming others.
In another article, it was mentioned that Methar was being murdered and became a spirit too just like Nyatrul, but one thing different is Methar was subdued and transformed to be a Dharma Protector under the care of Dorje Shugden.
More information can be found here: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/methar-of-tengyeling-monastery.html
Hello Rinpoche
Is the Dharmapala “Shango Dorje Putri” a official full member of Dorje Shugden’s retinue?
In Oct. 2016 you reintroduced the Dharmapala “Methar” back into the Dorje Shugden retinue.
Could you do the same with “Shangmo Dorje Putri” please Rinpoche.
“Methar” is a member of “Kache Marpo’s” retinue as we all know “Shangmo Dorje Putri” is also.
You made lightning strike the Dorje Shugden world with “Methar”.
Now you can make lightning strike a second time with “Shangmo Dorje Putri”.
We pray for your help in this matter, Rinpoche.
Mantras are sacred verbalized words that invoke the protection and blessings of the deity to whom the mantra is ascribed. Mantras are also the manifestations of Buddhas in the form of ‘sounds’, hence the various mantras of Dorje Shugden contain the essence of the Protector.
Dorje Shugden’s main mantra 多杰雄登主要咒语
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for peace 平和咒语
For gaining attainments through the energy of Peaceful Shugden, peace of environment and mind, harmony in one’s abode and dwelling area, and calming of disasters
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SHANTI SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for health 福寿安康咒语
For long life, increasing life, healing of disease and protection from diseases
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA AYU SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for increase 增长咒语
For gaining great merits and increase of all necessary needs, both material and spiritual
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA PUNYE SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for control 控制咒语
Of worldly deities, negative people and nagas and for influencing friends towards the positive
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA WASHAM KURU HO
Dorje Shugden’s mantra to grant protection 庇护咒语
Visualize that you are in the Protector’s mandala, fully protected from outside interferences. Recite when in danger or for dangerous situations, for protection while travelling or when residing in dangerous/hostile places
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA RAKYA RAKYA HUNG
https://video.tsemtulku.com/videouploads/comment-1544345059.mp4
Dear friends,
Tibet has produced many powerful meditations, rituals and guidelines to help us gain spiritual protection, gain wisdom and higher states of consciousness. In general Tibet has produced many powerful methods for the growth of our spiritual evolution. Dorje Shugden is an angel, a saint, a powerful spiritual protector-warrior who originated 350 years ago when a highly awakened Tibetan Lama fulfilled his vows to become a special being to grant protection, wisdom, material needs, safety when travelling (normal and astral travel) and spiritual awakening. Both the Great 5th Dalai Lama and the current His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama composed short yet effective prayers to invoke upon the power and blessings of this special saint and protector. One can recite either one of the prayers that you feel suits you, anytime or even daily. When you feel a special need for help, you can recite either prayer anytime. When you are feeling down, afraid or just need a blessing, you can recite them. After reciting either invocation, it is good to chant the mantra of Dorje Shugden: Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha.
You do not have to be a Buddhist or practitioner of any religion to invoke upon the blessings and protection of this special enlightened and awakened angel Dorje Shugden. He helps all without discrimination or bias as he is filled with compassion and love. Divinity has no boundaries, they help all who call upon them.
Enclosed are the prayers in English, Chinese and Tibetan.
May you be safe, protected and blessed.
Tsem Rinpoche
More on the Great 5th Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden – https://bit.ly/2w7KHv6
More on H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden – https://bit.ly/2QdaL4n
Chapel (Trode Khangsar) built by the Great 5th Dalai Lama dedicated to Dorje Shugden in Lhasa – https://bit.ly/2zBTd8M
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亲爱的朋友们，
西藏产生了许多有助于我们得到精神庇佑、取得智慧和更高层次之觉悟的强大禅修法、仪式和教诲。总括来说，西藏产生了许多有助于我们在修行上取得提升的强有力方法。多杰雄登是一个天使，一位圣人和一名护法战士。他的崛起始于350年前，当一位高度觉悟的西藏高僧履行本身的承诺，化身为特别的护法，赐予我们守护、智慧、物质需要、出入平安（平日外游和神游时）和灵修上的觉醒。任何人都可以随时随地在任何时候念诵适合自己的祈愿文。当你需要特别的帮助时，你可以随时念诵任何一篇祈愿文。当你感到沮丧、恐惧或仅是需要加持时，你也可以持诵这些祈愿文。在念诵任何祈请文后，你应该接着念诵多杰雄登的心咒：嗡 班杂 维格 毗札那 娑哈 Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha。
要祈请多杰雄登这位特殊、觉悟和觉醒的天使赐予加持和庇佑，你无需是佛教徒或任何宗教的修行者。他总是没有分别或偏见，充满慈悲和慈爱地帮助一切众生。神圣是没有界限的，圣者会帮助有求于他的任何人。
以下附上英文、中文和藏文的祈愿文。
愿你平安，常受庇护和加持。
尊贵的詹杜固仁波切
更多关于第五世达赖尊者和多杰雄登护法的内容 — https://bit.ly/2zsC3tG
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第五世达赖尊者为多杰雄登护法在拉萨建造的护法殿（布旦康萨）— https://bit.ly/2zBTd8M
His Eminence Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche’s incarnation is in Lhasa visiting. He is visiting the 350-year-old Trode Khangsar chapel dedicated to Dorje Shugden. He is paying homage to the powerful statue of Dorje Shugden housed in this sacred chapel. Both the chapel and statue of Dorje Shugden were commissioned by His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama. The Great 5th Dalai Lama also composed a prayer to be recited daily to Dorje Shugden.
Dagom Rinpoche’s previous lives were great masters, scholars and practitioners of Dorje Shugden. Now this new incarnation of Dagom Rinpoche is offering gold on the face of Dorje Shugden in homage and worship to this very sacred statue of Dorje Shugden housed in Lhasa for the last 350 years. This is a very traditional Tibetan method of paying homage to holy images, which is by offering gold with prayers.
The Tibetan leadership wrongly says if you practise Dorje Shugden you will take rebirth into the three lower realms. Hundreds of lamas from the Sakya, Kagyu and Gelugpa schools of Buddhism have practised Dorje Shugden and their incarnations returned. Many of the incarnations are recognised by His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself. So this shows if you practise Dorje Shugden, only benefits come and no harm will come. The very fact Dagom Rinpoche’s incarnation is back, is clear evidence that Dorje Shugden’s practice is beneficial.
May Dagom Rinpoche’s current incarnation live a very long life.
Tsem Rinpoche
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com
Youtube High resolution video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THbGknXcLbo
Trode Khangsar – A 400 year old Dorje Shugden Chapel in Lhasa | https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=92148
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尊贵的扎贡仁波切的现任转世正在拜访拉萨。他拜访了供奉给多杰雄登的一座拥有350年历史的护法殿”布旦康萨”。他在向这座神圣护法殿里的强大多杰雄登像顶礼。该座护法殿和多杰雄登圣像是由第五世达赖喇嘛指示而造的。伟大的第五世达赖喇嘛也亲笔撰写了多杰雄登的每日祈愿文。
扎贡仁波切的前几世都是伟大的上师，学者兼多杰雄登的修持者。现在扎贡仁波切的现任转世在为这尊已经安奉在拉萨350年的非常神圣的多杰雄登圣像的脸上供养金漆，以示顶礼和膜拜。这种供养金并祈愿的做法是西藏为圣像顶礼的非常传统的做法。
流亡藏人领袖们说如果你修持多杰雄登你就将投生三恶道，那是错误的。佛教派系——萨迦派、噶举派、格鲁派的上百名喇嘛们都修持了多杰雄登，而且他们也都转世回来了，而且有很多转世还是达赖喇嘛亲自认证的。这明显显示了如果你修持多杰雄登，是百利无一弊的。扎贡仁波切转世回来了，就已经是很确凿的证据显示多杰雄登的修持是有利的。
愿今世的扎贡仁波切健康长寿。
詹杜固仁波切
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拉萨400年历史的多杰雄登护法殿—布旦康萨- https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=92148
https://video.tsemtulku.com/videouploads/comment-1543075558.mp4
Divination (‘mo’) Text by Dorje Shugden
This is an important divination (‘mo’) text composed by Dorje Shugden himself. Dorje Shugden took trance of the Choyang Dulzin oracle lama, the senior oracle of Gaden Shartse Monastery, and instantly on the spot composed this text within two hours.
The divination text contains information on how to use dice to do divination for the future and is known to be highly accurate. When practitioners use this text, they will be in direct contact with Dorje Shugden to get answers to questions about the future. It is for those who have good samaya with Dorje Shugden and are free of the eight worldly dharmas to be of benefit to others in divining the future.
Tsem Rinpoche
DS-MO-choyang.pdf
Appliqué thangka of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, who is the previous incarnation of Dorje Shugden. The thangka dates possibly to the 19th Century, and it can be found in Erdene Zuu Monastery, considered by many to be the most important and oldest monastery in Mongolia. In the lower portion of the thangka are Yellow Dzambala, Six-Armed Mahakala and Kalarupa. Learn more about Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s life here: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/who-is-tulku-drakpa-gyeltsen.html
Be blessed with these rare videos featuring explanation and advice about Dorje Shugden practice by His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche in his own voice. The teaching was requested by Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the earliest masters who taught Tibetan Buddhism in the West.
Video 1: H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche Explains Dorje Shugden Initiation and Benefits (With English Subtitles)
Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was an erudite scholar, ritual master and practitioner of the highest degree from Tibet. At the request of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the pioneers who taught Tibetan Buddhism in America, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche gives clear explanation and advice about the life-entrustment initiation of Dorje Shugden and how to go about the practice and get the maximum benefits in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzFMvlxAqtc&feature=youtu.be
Video 2: H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche speaks on the History and Lineage of Dorje Shugden (With English Subtitles)
In this video, an erudite scholar, ritual master and practitioner of the highest degree from Tibet, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche talks about the incarnation lineage of Dorje Shugden and how the practice arose, with examples of Dorje Shugden’s previous lives that reveal his powerful spiritual attainments and contributions. This very rare teaching was given at the request of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche’s student, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the pioneers who taught Buddhism in the West to many disciples since the 1970s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzKSJgK618&feature=youtu.be
For more information: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/kyabje-zong-rinpoches-advice-on-dorje-shugdens-practice.html
His Holiness the 10th Panchen Lama
Tibetans commonly refer to His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and His Holiness 10th Panchen Lama as the “sun and moon” of Tibetan Buddhism. They are the center of Tibetan Buddhist civilization, which draws to its sphere of influence millions of non-Tibetan practitioners. The Panchen Lama’s incarnation line began with the 16th abbot of Tashi Lhunpo Monastery, Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen (1570 – 1662). He was bestowed the title of Panchen Lama by His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama after being declared as an emanation of Amitabha.
After being given the title, his three previous incarnations were posthumously also bestowed the title, making Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen the 4th Panchen Lama. He became a teacher to many Tibetans, Bhutanese and Mongolian religious figures, including His Holiness the 4th and 5th Dalai Lamas, and the 1st Jetsun Dampa of Mongolia. A prolific author, Chokyi Gyeltsen is credited with over a hundred compositions, including a number of commentaries and ritual texts that remain central in the Gelukpa tradition today. Along with his role as a teacher of the Dharma, the Panchen Lamas are usually responsible for the recognition of the rebirths of the Dalai Lamas, and vice versa.
The 10th Panchen Lama, Lobsang Trinley Lhundrub Chokyi Gyeltsen (19 February 1938 – 28 January 1989) continued both the spiritual and political roles of his predecessors. His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, his contemporary, was even heard to say and echo the Panchen Lama’s own words that the Dalai Lama would safeguard Tibet from the outside while the Panchen Lama would safeguard Tibet from the inside, as he never left Tibet after the political troubles of 1959. He was truly loved by the Tibetans, all the way until his passing. When he taught, thousands of people would attend, not only from his own Gelug lineage, but masters and practitioners from all traditions of Tibetan Buddhism.
At his sprawling monastery of Tashi Lhunpo, he has a special chapel specifically dedicated to Dorje Shugden, where prayers and rituals are performed on a daily basis. In his great omniscience the Panchen Lama held Dorje Shugden as the principal Dharma protector of the monastery. He also personally propitiated Dorje Shugden among other Dharma protectors, and even wrote extensive prayers and rituals to Dorje Shugden. These rituals and prayers are contained within his ‘sung bum’ or collected works, which are provided here. As such a great lama, with an erudite and clear understanding of the Buddhist scriptures, a teacher to millions in both Tibet and China, from an established incarnation line and an emanation of the Buddha Amitabha, he could not be mistaken about his practice of Dorje Shugden.
His Holiness 10th Panchen Lama is known for his composition of commentaries and practice texts that are still in use by contemporary Buddhist practitioners both in Tibet and across the world. One of these is a powerful ritual composition propitiating the compassionate Dorje Shugden.
Upon the request by Acharya Lobsang Jangchub to compose a shorter version of the prayer (sadhana) for the exhortation of activities of Dorje Shugden, Panchen Lama immediately composed an abbreviate form of Dorje Shugden’s Kangsol. This text is entitled “Manjunatha’s (Tsongkapa) Lineage protector Dorje Shugden and five forms wrathful propitiations and confessional prayers and fulfilment of activities rites” or “Melodious sound of Accomplishment of the Four Activities” for short. Once the prayers were completed, he had signs and strong feelings that Dorje Shugden has been working hard to protect the Buddhadharma in general and the lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa specifically.
Mirroring the abilities of one of his earlier incarnations, Khedrub Je, a disciple of Lama Tsongkhapa and master of both sutra and tantra, the Panchen Lama used his compositional skill and poetic prowess to create a masterful sadhana. Worthy of note is a praise in which the first letter of each verse is a Tibetan vowel. Such compositions are rarely seen, and have historically only been used when propitiating senior Dharma protectors such as Palden Lhamo and Kalarupa.
The Panchen Lama also stated that while composing the Dorje Shugden sadhana (prayers) he was filled with a sense of happiness and bliss. He ends the composition with not only his official title but his ordination name, Tenzin Trinley Jigme Choje Wangchuk, endorsing the validity of his work. He composed the sadhana in his own Tashi Lhunpo monastery while in the Hall of Clear Light and Bliss.
See the Panchen Lama’s writings and download: https://bit.ly/2KIfeXb
For the first time available, Dorje Shugden and his entourage of 32 asssistants of his mandala.
Dorje Shugden is a powerful protector deity who is also an emanation of Manjushri, a wisdom bestowing Buddha. Therefore, he has great ability to help us to progress further on the spiritual path. He does this by helping us to overcome obstacles and problems for the modern individual.
Due to his enlightened nature, Dorje Shugden is able to manifest 32 deities and within the same abode resides Setrap and Kache Marpo:-
1. 5 Dorje Shugden families or emanations. They consists of the following:-
– Dulzin Dorje Shugden, which performs activities to eliminate inner and outer obstacles.
– Shize, which performs activities to pacify all illnesses and disease.
– Gyenze, which performs activities to increase all desirable material and spiritual wealth.
– Wangze, which performs activities to control difficult people and circumstances.
– Trakze, which performs activities to wrathfully eliminate all insurmountable obstacles and life-threatening situations.
2. 9 Mothers. They represent protection of the five senses and developing control of the four elements. These are all attributes that signify their ability to assist tantric practitioners with their higher meditations.
3. 8 Guiding Monks. They represent the Eight Great Bodhisattvas (Avalokitesvara, Manjushri, Vajrapani, Samantabhadra, Maitreya, Kshitigarbha, Akashagarbha, Sarva-nivarana-viskambini) and they bring about the growth of the Dharma, through the Sangha, Dharma practitioners and Dharma establishments.
4. 10 Youthful & Wrathful Attendants. They represent the ten wrathful attendants to avert inner and outer obstacles. They are beings who are from Mongolia, China, Kashmir, India, Bengali, etc.
5. Setrap. He is a senior Dharma Protector from India and an emanation of Amitabha Buddha. He had enthroned Dorje Shugden as an authentic Dharma Protector. Therefore, he also resides within the same mandala of Dorje Shugden.
6. Kache Marpo. He is not an emanation of Dorje Shugden but he is still an enlightened Dharma Protector in his own right. He was originally known as Tsiu Marpo of Samye Monastery. However, he has placed himself under the service of Dorje Shugden as his chief minister, performing many activities in order to protect and benefit practitioners. Therefore, he stands guard at the main entrance of Dorje Shugden’s mandala. He often takes trance of qualified mediums to speak.
7. Namkar Barzin. He is the reincarnation of an old Mongolian monk and when he passed away in Phari area of Tibet, his spirit was placed as a powerful assistant of Dorje Shugden. He guards and protects buildings and great institutions especially those that benefit others. He rides on a mythical Gyaling animal that resembles a goat but with scales.
These sacred images are available on *Vajrasecrets. They are made of high quality alloy and are one of a kind. They are based on the lineage of His Holiness Panchen Rinpoche’s monastery, Tashilhunpo in Shigatse, Tibet. In fact, the iconography of these statues are based on detailed photographs taken by H. E. Tsem Rinpoche during a trip to Tashilhunpo’s protector chapel. These are based exactly as the 10th Panchen Lama’s personal collection.
Dorje Shugden mandala: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=131570
Dorje Shugden’s benefit and practice: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=62422
Dorje Shugden’s origins: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=106424
Dorje Shugden chapel in His Holiness Panchen Rinpoche’s Tashilhunpo Monastery in Tibet: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=68698
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If Nechung does take in Nyatrul, then how is it that in the 1930s, Nechung warned the Dalai Lama against Hitler, describing him to be a dangerous dragon? And sure enough, HItler was brutal in his Holocaust. So exactly how does this make Nyatrul taking in Nechung? If the Dalai Lama can’t tell if the oracle is taking in the right spirit, then how are y’all going to be able to tell if the Shugden oracle is just taking trance of fake spirits? In Vodunism, there are mediums that can give accurate prophecies. As they take trance of worldly deities, is it not possible that the Shugden oracle as well may just be taking trance of worldly spirits instead? Since the Dalai Lama can’t tell, how can you? How are you so correct and yet call Nechung fake? Also, if you haven’t noticed, the Tenma oracle USES a vajra and bell for the offerings as seen in a Kalachakra teaching just like Shugden. Therefore, the Tenma is enlightened? Yet, you call her worldly. Explain.
Regarding Goddess Yudroma and her oracle in Dharamsala
1. I have met this oracle several times in Dharamsala. She gives very accurate predictions. I have experienced this myself.
2. She is a gentle Yudroma goddess riding on a horse and she is white in color and takes trance quite easily in this official oracle lady that lived in Dharamsala. When you go meet her, you have to bring milk and yogurt. She takes 7 sips of the milk when she first arrives and recites a host of prayers before we can consult her. We have the honor to offer her the milk to gather affinity with her.
3. She, the oracle lady became well known as over several decades ago, a western hiker was lost in the Dharamsala hills. The goddess was consulted via this oracle and Yudroma then correctly told them where to find the hiker and the hiker was found and life saved. After that she became very well known in Dharamsala.
4. Yudroma the goddess is one of the main protectors of the Gelug Gyuto Tantric Monastery in Dharamsala. They have relied on her for hundreds of years since Tibet. The monks often ask the lady oracle to take trance and through her consult Yudroma.
5. She would be pleased in this video because people are helping Gyuto Monastery, her dominion. Perhaps she is the one that brought the Australian sponsors to help in the first place in her own mystical methods.
6. She is also the protector of Gungru khangtsen in Drepung Gomang monastery in South India.
7. Sadly this lady oracle has passed away and I guess people are perhaps waiting for a new oracle to be chosen by the Yudroma goddess. Haven’t heard anything yet. How lovely this lady served the goddess, monks and monasteries and public through taking trance her whole life. So virtuous of a job. Her body was used to benefit thousands in her lifetime and serve the sangha.
Exciting.
I like oracles because humans can meet the gods directly.
Tsem Rinpoche
https://video.tsemtulku.com/videouploads/comment-1532845550.mp4
(I have attached a video of her taking trance as well as This is Goddess Yudroma thangka photo. This is a picture of the actual thangka that belonged to the oracle in the video. I got her permission to take this picture when I visited her. The Yudroma thangka was hanging in the room where the oracle takes trance in her house. Thanks. TR)
Sakya tradition’s thangka of Dorje Shugden sitting on a throne within his palace with his four emanations and high Sakya Lamas nearby. Tsem Rinpoche
Antique Pelden Lhamo thangka with sacred Dorje Shugden at the bottom right. Can see Tsongkapa and Guru Rinpoche on the top also. Beautiful and holy.
Great message every Tibetan especially must read!
I still love and miss His Holiness the Dalai Lama. I am hoping he will unite all of us no matter what our religion is. I know he will. His Holiness has done so much good in the world. I’ve admired him since I was a very young boy and when I met him for the first time in 1979. He came to Howell, New Jersey where I grew up. It was magical to see him. I pray one day he will accept all Dorje Shugden practitioners as was his root guru was a Dorje Shugden practitioner and invite us into his presence again with love and acceptance. I pray for his long life and continued presence in this world. I never lost hope in His Holiness the Dalai Lama to accept all of us regardless of race, religion, sect and background once again.
I place my unworthy head to his feet, Humbly, Tsem Rinpoche https://www.tsemrinpoche.com
The Tengyeling Oracle was tortured and executed by the 13th Dalai Lama’s Government in 1912.
What was going through the mind of the Oracle as he was executed and entering the Bardo?
He must have suffered greatly.
It was because of him that Tengyeling Monastery was destroyed in 1912.
It was because of him that a great many monks and lay followers of Demo Tulku died in the war of Tengyleing Monastery from 1910 through 1912.
It was because of him that a great many monks and lay followers were wounded during that war.
It was because of him that many monks and lay followers including the Dharmapala Methar were captured and tortured to death at the end of the war in 1912.
It was because of him that many monks and lay followers were captured, tortured and later released from prison by the 13 Dalai Lama’s Government.
It was because of him that the remaining monks and lay followers were expelled from Tengyeling and forced to enter into other Gelug Monasteries.
The Tengyeling Oracle was present in the same prison and watched as Methar and the Oracle’s fellow monks and lay followers were tortured.
The Tengyeling Oracle knew that all this happened because of him and him alone.
The monks and lay followers fought, died, were wounded and tortured all because they believed in him as the Tengyeling Oracle.
This all happened because the Tengyeling Oracle took trance of Tsiu (Kache) Marpo who told them in trance to stand and fight with the Chinese Garrison in Lhasa against the 13th Dalai Lama and his government.
To avenge the murder of their beloved guru Demo Tulku.
Their “Oracular” devotion was so great because of their “Guru” Devotion to Demo Tulku.
It was Demo Tulku who personally chose and trained the Tengyeling Oracle.
I wonder if the Tengyeling Oracle entered his Bardo with great sorrow and sadness for what he and he alone caused at Tengyeling Monastery?
Hello Rinpoche
Just thought I would let you know that I am the Tengyeling Oracle.
No more hiding the truth.
Harold
Hello Rinpoche
Just thought I would let you know that I am the Gadong Oracle.
No more hiding the truth.
Robbie
It gave me great joy to read this comment by ‘Suzy in Hawaii’ that she left on Tsem Rinpoche’s YouTube channel-(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl-4lIwxph4&t=11s) After 2 decades of persecution and maltreatment by those who seek to destroy a holy practice, it is a pleasure to see the truth prevailing and more and more people like Suzy realizing the goodness and benefit of Dorje Shugden.
The Tengyeling Oracle can be reached at “dharmafruads@gmail.com”.
Merry Christmas
I do believe that Nechung would not have been able to break his promise to Guru Rinpoche, and break his sworn commitment as well.
It starts to make sense that what is entering the Nechung oracle could have been Nyatrul. For all the mistakes and inaccuracies, that the Nechung had prophecised, causing the death of the Dalai Lama, causing untold lost of lives amongst Tibetans, it is not the work of one who has been bound by oath and promise to enlightened beings like Guru Rinpoche for example.
Thank You Rinpoche and Pastor Jean Ai for sharing this article for us. It definitely clear my doubt about Nechung; He is the one who bring in Dorje Shugden and He is the one who banned Dorje Shugden which is illogical for me. I heard that some bad spirit take over the oracle and pretend to be Nechung and gave a lot of wrong prophecies to harm the Tibetan Lamas. However, why we can not subdue this bad spirits since Nechung and other Dharma Protectors are so powerful.Now, I understand the reason behind.
It struck me how powerful the Karma is. A lot of us we read about it but still not realized it. We still commit the bad cause of bad karma daily.
Second thing in article struck me is the attainment level diff between Nyatrul and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen. They have gone through almost same experience in that particular life but after death motivation is diff. The attainment of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen of His previous lives are mostly came from strong Guru Devotion. The inner transformation He has achieved and realized in the Bddhicitta vow He made upon suffering death of this life. To be honest, I thinnk alll I need to do is to stupidly follow instruction of Guru as our Guru know what we need most even we do not realize it at our level now. Just follow Guru, stay hungry and stay foolish.
If one has done something very wrong, one has to atone for it. Of course, it would be better if one practices the teachings of the Buddha and be mindful not do create negative karma.
Further, one’s motivation is anything is of the utmost importance as evidenced by the return of Nyari Tulku as a spirit and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen as a Dharma protector.
Thank you for this sharing.
An interesting Article.
Theres always a question in my mind on why high lamas can’t do nothing to a spirit when they are highly attained.
After reading this blog i now understand that it is the Karma. The law of cause and effect that is the key to govern everything in life. Whoever that have done any wrong, will reap its cause in the future no matter how attained they are, how much pujas they do and the retreats they have done.
This really explains a lot of questions that i have thought about and couldn’t answer in the past.
Thank u very much Pastor Jean Ai for this wonderful blog
What is right & what is wrong? Are they classify by our perceptions solely? A common example, a child steal because he has been starving for the longest time and what he need is just foods.. Should he be punished or helped?
A lot of us have fear because of karma,therefore, we follow rules & regulations, and we hope we will not face any punishment in the future if we did something negative, conversly, we do good deeds and we expect that we will have better living environments in the future.
Personally I think that karma is neutral, we are the one who are making it negative & positive. What we have done are what are going to get sooner or later. If we don’t stop the cycle, we are going to trap in the cycle of suffering(Samsara) forever until we realised.
Shame to Tibetan government to kill and punished the innocent Nyari Tulku who has not done anything wrong. Because of this wrong, such a huge negative karma created, one to one after another hence many suffered. But why is that until today the CTA and HHDL still believe in Nechung when oracle took trance which all knew that it is actually spirit Nyatrul? Perhaps the karma accumulated by Tibetan government negative karma is so strong until they are blinded with all the negative karma and continue to do bad.
The Tibetan government did the same to Tulku Drakpa Gyelsen but just because Tulku Drakpa Gyelsen had the different motivation on death hence He arose as a Dharma Protector. Where by Nyari Tulku do not have that attainment hence he vowed to take revenge instead of Dharma.
Understand and practice Dharma correctly and deeply is very important because karma do not just affect individually but it does effect people around us and as a whole created sufferings for others. I wished people can make decision base on the law of karma before they work things out hence less karma less sufferings.
It has been predicted that Nechung will retire soon as protector of the Dharma, in general and Dorje Shugden will arise as the Protector of Lama Tsongkhapa’s tradition. So it is possible that all the events that have taken place were to pave the way for the replacement of Nechung who has served His Holiness well.
May the ban be removed very soon and Dorje Shugden be given his rightful place as the Peace Protector of our times.
This article shows how the karma of wrong-doings will catch up. Nowadays we have to follow the law and don’t accuse someone without having evidence. It stops people from doing very bad things like hurting or even, like in this case, killing people without being sure what happened. I feel very sorry for what happened to the holy monk and that he became a damaging spirit. I hope he can rise above what happened to him.
In the meantime it reminds me of what happened to Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen who being killed vowed to arose as a Dharma Protector for the benefit of all beings. It is a reminder how kind Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen was as well as his illustrious line of incarnation. I hope that the ban on Dorje Shugden will be released swiftly for the benefit and blessing of the world and all its beings.
Thank you for this interesting write-up who helps us to understand a lot more.
This is interesting story to read about Nyatrul spirit. It make think deeply what is our last thinking when death caught up with us. Cause and effect is the law of the universal. It with lead our karma take control us for the next rebirth. Nyari tulku dead cause by mistreated badly by Gaden Phodrang and vow to destroy tibetan government. Just because he had anger and rebirth as the spirit and can’t be subdue in that time and continue create more negative karma just to revenge on whom causing his death and become powerful spirit.
Similar situation how Tulku Drakpa Gyelsen get murder, but his motivation is to become dharma protector to protect and promote Lama Tsongkhapa teaching. The lamas had different motivations at the time of their death. So the prayers they made at the time of their death, and their ‘motivation’ for dying was different. I ready hope on day Nyatrul spirit can rest in peace and take the good rebirth.
It’s an interesting article to read on how poor and wrongly Tibetan government make judgement and accused innocence for murdering the 13th Dalai Lama. It’s heartbreaking to hear that how a holy master Nyari Tulku been insulted, brutally tortured to death,his burial and cremation done. I was quite amused to read on his transformation to Nyatrul. This is a very bad karma for the Tibetan government.
Thank you Rinpoche,Pastor Jean Ai and Genla for sharing this article.
With folded palm,
Andrea
Nyatrul can not be subdued by Tagphu Pemavajra and the other high lamas due to the heavy karma created by the Tibetan Government who killed Nyari Tulku even when he was innocent. Again this proof that Karma cannot be avoided. And Karma just does not work for individuals but can also have an effect on the whole nation.That is only few peoples kill Nyari Tulku but the whole Tibet is suffering for this.
This is Buddhism, always teach us take responsibility of your life, no one can help us to walk the path, Buddha and our Guru mainly show us the path. Understand Karma is always a hope in life that is how I look at it. And yet, the Tibetan leadership, past and present, have created and are still creating more negative karma not only affected Tibet but also others in the world such like us the Dorje Shugden Practitioner. That is why we need to lift the ban of Dorje Shugden so that Tibetan leadership will not continue creating more negative Karma and bringing suffering to others.
Thanks Rinpoche, Pastor Jean Ai, Gen-la and the blog team for the article.
This is an interesting read that explaining how the wrong judgment of Tibetan government created terrible consequences that affect Tibet badly for the pass decades. With the truth of Nyatrul was innocent, and the representative of Tibetan Government had every reason that fulfill the motivation and action of killing, Nyatrul is unable to be subdued even by very high lamas.
It makes me think why Nyatrul took trance and asked the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden practice, this could be Dorje Shugden practice is something very useful and good for Tibetan, and Nyatrul wanted to create schism to break Tibet apart.
If this is true, this is not only saying that Dorje Shugden didn’t harm Tibet, the real cause of Tibet couldn’t gain back the country is because of their cruelty and actions that go against Buddhist teachings, these create many obstacles and a lot of difficulties to achieve what Tibetan wants. This is just my personal thought.
Thank you.
It is interesting to read how Nyatrul came into being and the reasons why Nyatrul continues to give bad prophecies. It is a high possibility that it was Nyatrul who claimed that Dorje Shugden is a spirit, of which he is not. In my opinion, I have learned from reading this article that the Tibetan leadership, past and present, have created and are still creating more negative karma with their negative actions. And so many innocent people, especially Dorje Shugden practitioners, have suffered and still suffering just because someone claimed Dorje Shugden is a spirit. The truth shall prevail, soon I pray. So that families can be reunited, friendship repaired, no more segregation of people, the sangha can study together like they once did. And the high lamas and geshes can do what they do best, teach the dharma
What a shame that people would be selective to choose to attend the trance only by Drepung Loseling Monastery and not for Tibetan government. This really show how much the people trust the Tibetan government and obviously the bad things that they have done that resulted people would know that the trance will not be effective and worst case is influence by Nyatrul spirit. I had given a deep thought of how can a state oracle be influenced by spirit and the only answer could only be is the negative karma created/accumulated by the people that requested for the trance.
Can you imagine how bad the situation can be that a state oracle taking trance of a spirit instead of the protector subdued by Guru Rinpoche. This clearly show the level of the negative action that have done and the repercussion is tremendous.
I have always wondered why Nechung gave prophecies that was false or contradicting. For example: In 1959, where he asked HHDL to stay in Tibet when Dorje Shugden asked Him to leave instead. If Nechung was oath bound, why did he ask HHDL to stay which could have gotten Him killed. That would definitely be wrong and contradicting. And the worst part is that there are 5 other major events that he gave wrong prophecies.
But Dorje Shugden has time and time again given precise prophecies that has never cause any problems. This also shows that Dorje Shugden is clairvoyant and has the wisdom of an Enlightened Being.
After what the Tibetan government did to Nyari Tulku, I am not shock to hear what Nyatrul is doing now. For the wrongs they did to him, no wonder they are suffering now, from the consequences of it. Even Tagpu Pemavajra refused to take part in it. And it could be because Nyatrul is no ordinary spirit or else how come He can’t be subdued? And wouldn’t the High Lamas and HHDL know that it is not Nechung taking trance? Weird.
What is true is that not even the Buddhas can save us from our karma. As Rinpoche said before, “Karma’s Job is to Make You Suffer”. As long as the karma of previous wrong doings of the Tibetan government has not been exhausted, they will continue to receive wrong advice and be misguided. Those who perpetrated the horrific murders of Nyari Tulku and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, amongst many other wrong-doings would have to suffer the full impact of the negative karma that they created for themselves.
Thank you Pastor Jean for the article.. May more and more dharma come to the world
After reading the post of Methar of Tengyeling Monastery, i felt it necessary to come back and reread this post. Nyari Tulku, like Methar, was innocent and was put to death in as cruel and callous a fashion as Methar by the Gaden Phodrang. In the case of Nyari Tulku, he remained a vengeful spirit even to this day. His story is as tragic or even more tragic than that of Methar. In his case, the Gaden Phodrang just assumed that just because he was a tantric adept, and because Demo Rinpoche was close to him, he must have been the one who had worked the black magic into the shoes.No investigatin was conducted. He was straightaway arrested , and then put to death in such an excruciatingly painful way.Furthermore, as he was dying in pain he wa spat upon and publicly humiliated!
The sole responsibility of the crime of working black magic into the shoes to harm and hurt lay with the Ngakpa who had given the shoes to Demo Rinpoche.Demo Rinpoche, out of his love and respect for the 13th Dalai Lama had thought to make an offering of the lovely comfortable shoes to him.
So why weren’t efforts made to find the Ngakpa? How could the Gaden Podrang doubt the innocence of such a great personage as Demo Rinpoche,a senior tutor of the Dalai Lama? Why didn’t the Gaden Phodrang search for the Ngakpa? Why just make a beeline for innocent people, and put them through torture and ignominious and painful death?
Now that I have read about Methar, I feel inclined to think it is possible that the whole thing had been set up so that the property of Tengyeling Monastery could be confiscated and added to the coffers of some others.
“The practice of Buddhism is an ILLUSION which replaces other ILLUSIONS. For most sentient beings it is a necessary ILLUSION. But ultimately, it is just another ILLUSION”.
“Free you mind Tsem, free your mind”.
A message from the “Oracle”.
I always wonder that Nechung was the one who created the conditions for Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen to arise as dharma protector, why would he later advised His Holiness Dalai Lama to ban this practise instead? With this story, it clear my doubt for many years. Gaden Phodrang has committed the negative karma, they have to think of a way to purify their karma. Its disheartening to know that it was Nyatrul who created the harm to Dorje Shugden practitioners all these years. I hope something can be done to Nyatrul to peace the angry spirit. He was innocent and died tragically.
I have heard for some time about the false prophecies of the Nechung oracle and that the oracle didn’t actually took trance of Nechung; but never knew the details or had any confirmation. This article answered the missing “puzzle” perfectly and explained the reasons for the misprophecies of “Nechung”.
It shows that karma is very strong and dare I say supreme; so much so that even high Lamas could not subdue these karma. Hence, Nyatrul can be said to be the manifestation of the karma of the Tibetan government and the people.
Hello
In Pastor Jean Ai article she tells us of how Serkong Rinpoche was ordered to “Subdue and Destroy” Ayari Tulku.
He was later ordered to “Subdue and Destroy” Methar. Go to page 144 of “Demons and Oracles of Tibet”. This book has been quoted from Tsem Tulku in the past. You will read on page 144 how Serkong Rinpoche “Subdue but did not Destroy”, Methar. He defied his orders and did not destroy Methar. He made him a Dharmapala and placed him under the mandala of Dorje Shugden. Dorje Shugden then placed him in the retinue of “Kache Marpo”.
Why would Serkong Rinpoche try to “Subdue and Destroy” Ayari Tulku but not Methar? Why would he defy the Tibetan Government’s direct orders to “Destroy” him? Why make him a “Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden’s mandala?
I told Tsem Tulku and Pastor Jean Ai in a private email what the Tengyeling Oracle through Methar stated were the reasons he was saved by H.E. Serkong Rinpoche.
Please ask them what the Tengyeling Oracle told them.
Thank you and have a Happy Columbus Day (USA) and Thankgiving (CANADA)
Hello Pastor Shin Tan,
Sorry, but you do not have reply button in your comments for me to reply to.
The Tengyeling Temple is absolutely in no way associated with Demo Tulku’s Tengyeling Monastery.
I asked the Temple why they named it Tengyeling but never received an answer.
Did you check out the information about their leader Tenzin Kalsang (Carol Watt) by Mr Hillman? It appears this temple and its leader have “Black Karma”.
Your comment that just because someone can channel “Dorje Shugden” doesn’t mean their the Panglung Oracle is correct. But if they really are channeling
“Dorje Shugden” they “Really are an Oracle”. Which “Oracle” is a question someone might ask like you just have.
If the Tengyeling Oracle is channeling Kache Marpo, Methar and Namkar Barzin there is an easy why to find out. This method was used by the 14th Dalai Lama to prove a woman was the Tenma Oracle. You can see it on “You Tube” under the title of “The Oracle Keeper of Wisdom”. It is a documentary about the Dalai Lama and his State Oracles. If you go to roughly the 22:30 minute mark you will see H.E. Jetsun Dhampa Rinpoche. The story line with Jetsum Dhampa is that the 14th Dalai Lama ask him to examine a Tibetan woman to see if she was an “Oracle”. In the final part of that section of the video H.E. Jetsun Dhampa told the 14th Dalai Lama the best way (final test) to find out was for the woman to meet the Nechung Oracle and the Nechung Oracle in trance would know if she was a fake or for real. The Tengyeling Oracle has said that the best way to see if he is 1) an Oracle and 2) the Tengyeling Oracle was to have a Dorje Shugden Oracle go in trance with the Tengyeling Oracle present just like in the “You Tube” video. The Oracle lives only 8 hours away from Bloomington Indiana. This is where the Gameng Oracle lives. Tsem Tulku has stated that the Gameng Oracle is a true Oracle who is taken trance of by Dorje Shugden and Kache Marpo. Kache Marpo can be invoked and he will tell the world if the Tengyeling Oracle is real or “Full of Shit”. If H.E. Tsem Tulku could set up this meeting all your questions Pastor Shin Tan will be answered.
Pastor Shin Tan would you be so kind as to ask if your beloved teacher Tsem Tulku could set up this meeting. Tsem Tulku could help to resolve this and if the Tengyeling Oracle is real then this would be of great benefit to Dorje Shugden and the world. If the Oracle is not, then he is just another fake. Will you help Pastor Shin Tan??
I hope I have answered some of your questions.
Thank you
Dear Harold,
Thank you for your reply. I have some thoughts for you and I hope you don’t mind.
1. Tsem Rinpoche is not the one interested in recognising Tengyeling oracle so Rinpoche does not need to set any meetings. Tsem Rinpoche has no responsibility towards Tengyeling and their oracles and there is no need to be involved.
2. Tsem Rinpoche has no connections with Tengyeling oracle and has no say for this oracle to be recognised or not. Tsem Rinpoche is much too pre-occupied with a huge centre to build and run, and already Rinpoche is involved with helping various monasteries he has committed to.
3. If this is your interest, you should set up the meeting. Since the oracle lives only 8 hours away from your oracle, it would be up to you to set up an audience with Gameng oracle if you see the need. If Tengyeling oracle is well known, then Gameng would know of him/her.
4. We are 9,458 miles away and it is totally inconvenient for us to do anything about this. It is not within our jurisdiction also.
If you wish the truth to come out about Methar, Tengyeling, Tengyeling oracle, Demo Rinpoche, then you should make the full effort and put in the time, effort and prayers to do so. This is your passion and I sincerely wish you luck in this. You don’t have others who know nothing of you or your oracle to do any of this.
Thank you.
Pastor Shin
Dear Pastor,
Thank you for your replies. I have some thoughts for you to and I hope you don’t mind.
1) Could you point out to me where I asked Rinpoche to recognize the Tengyeling Oracle?
2) You Pastor and some others wanted some proof that the Tengyeling Oracle is who he claims to be. He has stated that it is not the “Messenger (Oracle) that matters but his messages that are important. You don’t ever have to believe he is an Oracle but look at the “messages”. He has always stated you should have a “Dorje Shugden” Oracle examine his messages while they are trance of Kache Marpo to find the true answers to the validity of the “messages”. What if all he has said is true. Do you just throw the “messages out” because the “messanger” doesn’t have a “Corporate stamp of approval certificate of his bona fides on his living room wall certifying from some Lama he is an Oracle”.
3) When did I say that Tsem Tulku had a “connection with the Tengyeling Oracle”?
4) I have written that the Tengyeling Oracle has “No interest in public attention”. He does not care if you believe he is an “Oracle”. Your Pastor Jean Ai through Tsem Tulku ask me to help write a guest blog about “Methar” because of my knowledge of Methar. Pastor, my knowledge comes from the Tengyeling Oracle and him alone. His
knowledge comes for Kache Marpo, Methar and Namkar Barzin.
5) The Tengyeling Oracle apologies if he has offended you or Tsem Tulku. He was only doing what he was “told to do by the dhamapalas”. To let the world know about the truth of the innocence of Demo Tulku, Nyari Tulku and Methar. To tell the world about the incredible story of Methar and how he became a “Dhamapala and not just a Dhamapala but a Dharmpala under his protector Kache (Tsiu) Marpo”. Something that has never happened before in the history of Dharmapalas.
6) Now he has told you, Tsem Tulku and the world about Demo Tulku, Nyari Tulku and Methar.
He thinks that now is maybe the time to say “Good bye”.
I and the Tengyeling Oracle (?) pray for a long life for His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and also for His Eminence Tsem Tulku.
Please keep Demo Tulku, Nyari Tulku and Methar in your prayers.
For Harold Musetescu,
I have not commented here till now but have been following the interchanges between you and Pastor Shin and a few others. I do enjoy some of it and learn from the interchanges. I’ve come to the conclusion and I could be wrong:
1. You don’t like to be questioned. If you are in a public space, you have to be open to it. When questioned or get answers you don’t like, you say ‘Goodbye’. Do not be offended so easily. You have given nothing for the public to believe anything you say. Be rational. Doesn’t a detective need proof to win in court? Doesn’t a scientist have to prove his theory? Don’t be offended so easily.
2. You use the Tengyeyling oracle’s name, Methar’s name and your own views as and when convenient. It switches back and forth it seems.You like to override others with Oracle said this or that and Methar/Tsiu Marpo said this or that. Half the times I get confused is it the oracle said this or the deity through the oracle said this. I thought the oracle retired? So why still channeling? You give no proof the oracle had said it nor proof Methar said it. You justify by saying your belief in them does not need our approval. That is true for you. Well our belief in what you said that the oracle/Methar/Tsiu Marpo says needs proof for us to believe though. And if you don’t prove it, then it dies off with you and the rest us of us are left in the cold. When asked more about the oracle, then you said he is old and wants peace and be anyonymous. If he is old and wants peace, then why is he channeling for you? He should be retired?
3. How do we know you really are friends, or know the Tengyeyling oracle? How do we know if there was a Tengyeling oracle or if he is alive or dead now? How do we know any of this? Just because you said so? We don’t see anything on Tengyeyling oracle on the internet and not much on the Tengyeyling monastery or Demo Tulku online. In fact Tsem Rinpoche’s team is highlighting this Demo Tulku, protector and monastery for the world to read about it and how they were wronged. I am grateful to learn more.
Some of your stuff seem convincing but overall, I would not fully believe in what you say not because I think you are lying but because proof and evidence are necessary for any rational human to accept or trust something.
I hope you are cooperative with questions from people when you post. I think Tsem Rinpoche and his people are doing a SPECTACULAR job for our Shugden lineage, people and practice. Tsem Rinpoche has incredible courage to face up to the powers that be at incredible risk to himself it seems. Tsem Rinpoche gives a voice to hundreds of thousands who practice Shugden and are segregated and hated. I think we all should give more support to this as individually, as I am too lazy to do more. I am speaking for myself. I trust Shugden, but what have I done to bring Shugden awareness to others, probably nothing.
Tsiu Marpo/Kache Marpo/Methar all connected. If Shugden is banned, these three protectors will be automatically seen in a bad light as they are part of his entourage. So it would be good to give more support to people who speak up about this whole ugly ban issue.
Just my thoughts, don’t be offended.
William P.
Hello William P.
There have be many requests here for the Oracle to “Prove” who he is. He has stated that he “What’s to be formally tested” to see if his claims are true.
He has stated more than once that he has asked that either the “Panglung” or “Gameng” Orales be contacted. They can first have “Kache Marpo” take trance of them and they can either stated that these messages are “True”.If they are ttue then the “Messanger isan “Oracle”What “Oracle”, Kache Marpo can then answer. If they are not true then the man claiming to be the Tengyeling Oracle is a total “Fake”.
The Tengyeling Oracle has not problem butting his reputation on the line and in the public domain.
All he was requesting was a simple email from Tsem Tulku to the “Gameng” Oracle. Somethng that would take two or three minutes out of his busy schedule.
Hope his helps
This was a strong and informative post. I like all the discussion going on by various people. I don’t mind the opinions are different because everyone has an interesting view I can learn from. Keep it up!
This is such a brilliant post that helped explain some of the questions that I previously had in my mind about Nechung Oracle. This post provided me with more missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. Some of the answers that I found in this post are:
1) WHO is actually masquerading as Nechung during trances?
2) WHY is this spirit masquerading as Nechung?
3) WHAT led to this?
Thank you for the missing pieces!
The 13th Dalai is totally innocent of the murders of Demo Tulku and Nyari Tulku. All the “Black Karma” for the murders of these “Two Living Buddhas” rest at the feet of the “Gaden Phodrang”.The “Gaden Phodrang” and “others” were behind the plot to permanently remove H.H. Demo Tulku from his “Regent’s” throne. The 13th Dalai Lama, Demo Tulku and Nyari Tulku were all innocent victims of the “Gaden Phodrang’s” murderous plot.
The murder of Drakpa Gyeltsen a “Living Buddha” was done not by the 5th Dalai Lama but by the “Gaden Phodrang”. The 5th Dalai Lama was an innocent victim of their murderous ways.
We may never know all the “victims” of the “Gaden Phodrang” murderous ways over the centuries. These evil members of the “Gaden Phodrang” continue to reincarnation to this very day and find their way back into the “Gaden Phodrang” and the CTA.
@Harold Musetescu,
You are contradicting yourself. I have been reading your comments on this post below and you said:
1. The Dalai Lama lineage is responsible for three murders of three tulkus.
2. You also said the 13th Dalai Lama gave orders for the execution of Nyatrul.
Now here you say the 13th Dalai Lama is innocent and his lineage is innocent of the executions?
Which one is it?
Yeshe Kadro
Hello Yeshe Kadro
I have faith in the Tengyeling Oracle. The Oracle has stated that the dharmapala “Methar” of the Kache Marpo retinue has stated this through him.
@Harold Musetescu,
1. So you were wrong when you accused the lineage of Dalai Lamas and 13th Dalai Lama of ordering people to be executed?
2. Who is the Tengyeling Oracle? Where does this person live? How do we know and verify such a person? You have faith and that is great but your words are not enough for us to believe such an oracle because we don’t know you. Please prove the existence of this oracle and the whereabouts? Thank you.
Yeshe Kadro
Hello Yeshe Khado
Both Demo Tulku and Nyari Tulku were falsely found guilty of attempting to murder the Dalai Lama. The “Death Sentences” could only be ordered by the Dalai Lama. It’s a simply legal procedure. Only the Dalai Lama could sentence them to death.
My belief and devotion to the Tengyeling Oracle does not require that you or anyone else does. If you or anyone does not wish to believe he channels “Methar” you simply don’t have to. As in this very article many Tibetans did no believe in what the Nechung Oracle proclaims.
Thank you
Dear Harold,
Thank you for sharing valuable information here on the blog. You said that the “Death Sentences” could only be ordered by the Dalai Lama, but you also said that the 13th Dalai is totally innocent of the murders of Demo Tulku and Nyari Tulku.
So are you saying the Gaden Phodrang plotted the murder and bypassed Dalai Lama’s order/ authority? We are talking about the Regent (Demo Tulku) being killed here. Were there more details provided by the oracle or any documents that we can refer to?
As you mentioned, the current Tengyeling Oracle (who does channeling and not trance) wishes to remain private. How can we believe the existence of this oracle? Any Lama has verified/confirmed that this is indeed a Tengyeling Oracle? Why is he/she the “Tengyeling” oracle, and not just someone who can channel the protectors? Just wondering…
@Harold Musetescu,
“My belief and devotion to the Tengyeling Oracle does not require that you or anyone else does. If you or anyone does not wish to believe he channels “Methar” you simply don’t have to. As in this very article many Tibetans did no believe in what the Nechung Oracle proclaims.”-Harold Musetescu
Of course your belief in the oracle or what he says does not rely on anyone else to believe. But then the lineage and this tradition ends with you. Just like in the great Gelug monastic tradition, you state the source of the scripture, theory or information. The source when explained is not a question to your integrity but a understanding for the general public that there is a valid source. When this is understood, then the Methar tradition will spread like any tradition and it will benefit others.
To say something exists based on your belief alone and just for you is fine. But then when you share your belief with others publicly like here, it needs a basis, source or proof. Again asking for proof is not questioning your integrity. Not everyone has the honor to be associated with a oracle. And not everyone knows you. So if you share more and give proof, timing, circumstances and details, it is more beneficial and easier to accept. If accepted more will benefit. If you are stating something, if there is proof there will be more belief and support. If there is more support then the truth of the matter will surface. Then the truth will stick and spread.
If it is just your word and it’s posted here for the public, no one knows you, so you may be a honest person, but no one will know that.
Many people do not believe in Nechung’s proclamations as there is much proof of it that is wrong on many occasions. Many high lamas speak of it in their writings. So the proof is there. Nechung not being believed by all is not hearsay or based on one person that we have no knowledge of.
Yeshe Kadro
First the question from Pastor Shin Tan. The 13 Dalai Lama was a victim of this plot. He believed the evidence was true and not a lie. Based on that he ordered their deaths but he never knew the truth of their innocence.
Also to Pastor Shin Tan and Yeshe Kadro.
If you read the comments below all the way to the “Very Last Comment (Pastor Shin” you will see that many of the questions you asked have already been answered.
By the way have you ever heard of anything in the history of “Dharmapalas” like the story of Methar. His devotion to Tsiu (Kache) Marpo was so great that when through the then Tengyeling Oracle in 1910 Tsiu (Kache) Marpo ordered the followers of Demo Tulku to stand and fight with the Chinese Army, and he did so. Methar followed his Dharmapala’s orders based on his total devotion he had to him and also his trust in Demo Tulku’s (personally chosen and instructed) Tengyeling Oracle. As you know he was captured, tortured, skinned alive, died and became an “Avenging Spirit” just like Nyari Tulku.
He was subdued by H.E. Serkong Rinpoche, made a “Dharmapala” and bound to Dorje Shugden’s mandala under Kache (Tsiu) Marpo.
Where Pastor Tan or Yeshe Kadro have you every heard of a man dying for his Dharmapala,then becoming a “Dharmapala” and then being bound by oath to the very Dharmpala (Kache (Tsiu Marpo) whom he had died for.
To my knowledge this has never happened before or since in the history of Dharmapala’s. This is absolutely incredible and the stuff from which legends are made of.
Thank you
Dear Harold,
Thank you for the clarification about the 13th Dalai Lama.
I’ve read the comments, including the very last one. I didn’t find any info on verification or confirmation (from any Lama) that this oracle is confirmed as Tengyeling Oracle?
Why is he/she the “Tengyeling” oracle, and not just someone who can channel the protectors? Let’s say someone can channel Dorje Shugden, that doesn’t make them the Panglung Oracle for example.
There is only mention that the when Tsiu (Kache) Marpo first started to channel the present day oracle, he “took” him to see the “old” temple in Toronto. By the way, why did the temple in Toronto decided to use the name Tengyeling (if you know), I went to their website, and it doesn’t seem like it has any connection to the Tengyeling lineage.
I hope you will provide more info as this will help the readers of the blog to understand more and it also gives more credibility to the information you have provided.
Excellent research tx.italychampatogme
This is all nonsense! If we regard Dalai Lama as Chenrezig’s emanation, isn’t he able to see the truth behind any oracle’s words or even to tame malign spirits?? Or is he not Chenrezig himself?!?
@Pema Ozer,
Let’s take your route. If the Dalai Lama is Chenrezig, he should be all knowing and omniscient, so why does he consult oracles at all? Doesn’t he know all the answers? Take a good look at the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcoVLsbIpg
That’s it! Now, I wonder why people just don’t rely in Jey Tsong Khapa’s dharmapalas (which does not include Dolgyal) and not in the sectarian views of the thon yor Pabhongka? Why do we need to regard a Dalai Lama – invention of men of theocracy – as anything else than a simple monk if the Buddhas have never spoken of a Dalai Lama? Buddha Dharma is freedom from institutions, dogmas and worshipping, not the creation of more. Do you want to practice Dorje Shugden? For me is fine, if it is pure Dharma, not sectarian views such as Pabhongka, the great thomyor, did… If Shugden sadhana is a method for taming the mind and recognize your true nature on the spot, then there’s no need to worry about the power of institutions or even to proselitism. Just keep it practicing. Otherwise, if Jey Tsongkhapa never put the Dolgyal as an enlightened dharmapala, why bothering practicing it?
You’re right, is he not Chenrezig himself? So why keep speaking against Dorje Shugden? Why not just bind him or subdue him once and for all? Is it because the Dalai Lama not as powerful as Dorje Shugden or is it because Dorje Shugden is NOT a spirit, and is in fact a fully enlightened being who doesn’t have the karma to be killed?
You’re right, is he not Chenrezig himself? So how come the Dalai Lama couldn’t see Dorje Shugden’s supposed true nature as a so-called spirit when he was practising and relying on Dorje Shugden over 30 years ago? Did he switch off his clairvoyance for 30 years?
By the way, here is the PRAISE to Dorje Shugden that the Dalai Lama wrote over 30 years ago, to help spread the practice by showing people how to propitiate Dorje Shugden:
English language post: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=61029
Tibetan language post: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=107725
Pema Ozer,
The Dalai Lama is a big scholar and famous, but an ordinary person. He has faults and makes mistakes like the rest of us don’t you think? If he was a god, there would be more evidence of this. But it seems there is more evidence that point to the fact he is not a god than he is. He is a great man nevertheless.
It seems that you’re not measuring the consequences of this. If he is not Chenrezig’s emanation, then he is not a great man, because he accepts that devotees see him like that. If he is Chenrezig, he should either bind evil spirits by oath, destroy them or recognize Dorje Shugden realization. We need to consider that all these views are not what they look like and that this all may just be in our minds. If we look like that, with pure view that we all are Buddhas, then all this Shugden affair is just a question that he wanted to avoid Pabhongka’s sectarian views, that were represented to him in the Shugden propitiation.
Dear Pema Ozer,
I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
Pabongka Rinpoche was not sectarian and Dorje Shugden’s practice was already practiced in the Sakya for four hundred years. Way before it even reached Pabongka Rinpoche. Read this very well researched post: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-sakya-lineage-dorje-shugden.html
What I’m trying to say is that all this is stuff is just the work of wise people as methods to tame the mind. If a practice is non-sectarian, then it’s ok within Buddha Dharma, no matter what a Dalai Lama said or not. All the rest is fool conversation and should be avoided. If you rely on Shugden as Dharma without a hair of doubt, why bothering to engage such discussion on and on, trying to convince yourself or others? What’s the point of it? This is not practice.
The post you say it is “well researched”, doesn’t point any sources, is just some person’s opinion and not supported by a source. In this fashion, I could say the contrary, that Sakyapas don’t rely on Shugden as a great Dharmapala, but just a minor one. If you trust that post more than my words (because I did research either) or vice-versa, then you’re not practicing, you’re still in doubt about many things, trying to convince yourself and others. Abandon that!
If you’re not able to judge this by yourself, then this is not Buddha Dharma, which has nothing to do with any kind of spirit, enlightened or not. Why don’t we keep just with the Tathagatha, no matter what form it presents?
Please, study the Kalama Sutta in its Tibetan version to understand what I say.
BTW, your view on Phabongkha is very partial, the result of mere trusting in someone else’s words, not an impartial view that looks for the truth.
Please, read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabongkhapa_D%C3%A9chen_Nyingpo#Sectarianism
I know it’s Wikipedia, but at least presents its sources, which is more honest than just hoping that people trust in words because you say something is “well researched” when it’s not.
Dear Pastor Jean Ai,
This is a very interesting article and many good points about it. I also had the same thoughts in mind that,
“Nechung had requested Duldzin Drakpa Gyaltsen, Panchen Sonam Drakpa and Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen to become a Dharma Protector. It was not logical, therefore, that Nechung would tell the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden when it was he who created the circumstances for Dorje Shugden to arise.”
This article is very informative as to why events are today and why Dorje Shugden and devotees are being persecuted. Hope the CTA will come to realised this and do something about the ban as soon as possible.
Hello Pastor Jean Ai
The Tengyeling Oracle through Tsiu (Kache) Marpo has allowed the public release of the Mantra for the Dharmapala “Methar”. He states that now is the time for it’s release to benefit the followers of Dorje Shugden and Kache (Tsiu) Marpo.
The mantra is “Om Methar sarva siddhi hung”.
Please keep in your prayers Drakpa Gyeltsen Tulku, Nyari Tulku, Demo Tulku and Methar. All who were murdered by the Tibetan Government.
@Harold Musetescu,
The grand release of this mantra has already been done back in July 1, 2016 on Dorjeshugden.com’s forum: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=5607.0
So why the sudden big release again here as if it’s the first time?
Hello Yeshe Kadro,
I did that on July,01,2016 without first asking the Tengyeling Oracle if it was alright. I did not have permission at that time and made an error. Now the permission was granted.
Hope this clears that up for you. Thanks for your question.
Thanks
@Harold Musetescu,
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it.
1. So the Tengyeling oracle is your guru?
2. Does he take trance often?
3. Do you have the practice text (scripture) of Methar? If you do it would be good to share so more can obtain his practice.
4. You are fortunate to have connections to Kache Marpo. Do you live with the Tengyeling oracle or nearby? Does he/she give teachings/empowerments?
I am not trying to interrogate you but I rejoice for you.
Yeshe Kadro
Hello Yeshe Kadro.
There is not practice text as yet but we have asked Tsem Tulku to contact the Panglung Oracle and the Gameng Oracle for their assistance in this important matter.
As I have stated on this thread the Tengyeling Oracle does not seek public attention or new followers.
If he is instructed to do so by one of the Dharmapalas he channels that is a different matter.
Thank you and I am sorry for not being able to answer some of your questions.
Please pray for Demo Tulku, Nyari Tulku and Methar.
Thank you P Jean Ai for avery interesting article.
At least, one can see now why there have been such wrong prophecies seemingly to have come from Nechung. Yet, logically speaking, Nechung couldn’t have wilfully tried to destroy Dorje Shugden, especially when he had been the one to request Dudzin Drakpa Gyaltsen to promise to arise as a Protector of Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings. He was the one who helped create the conditions for Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen to die with some wrath, so as to arise a s a Protector. So how could he now work to thwart Dorje Shugden in his role a s Dharma Protector, by forcing the Dalai Lama to impose a ban on Shugden practice. Nechung himself being on oath to Guru Rinpoche to protect the Dharma, could not possibly be working against the spread of Dharma via Dorje Shugden and Shugden Lamas.
It is tragic that Nyatrul should have been put to death so cruelly and been publicly humiliated even as he was dying. Yes the Gaden Podrang bear the burden of guilt and the heavy karma for putting an attained being -an innocent being -to death so cruelly. So on their side they will have to suffer the consequences in their inability to bring Nyatrul under control, until the karma is exhausted.
Nonetheless, as both the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden are Enlightened, being emanations of Chenrzig and Manjushri, I fail to understand why they cannot see through all this and know it’s coming from a ghost. By right,they should not have been fooled by Nyatrul. Besides the negative karma of the Gaden Phodrang having to be exhausted, there must be a highe r purpose for the ban that brought so much suffering to many. Can bodhisattvas allow suffering. Yes ,if it serves a Higher purpose for the benefit of all.
As written, in the past, back in Tibet, when invocation(chendren) was done by the Tibetan Government, Gaden Phodrang, people did not believe in their resulting prophecies or advices. In this respect, People already knew that the Governnment murdered Nyatrul, who had made a vow as he died to destroy the Tibetan Government (and therefore any highlamas or beings related to them). It was also believed that the inability to subdue Nyatrul though they have tried was ineffective. They would be affected by their negative karma of murdering the innocent Nyatrul, who when he died had done no wrong! As said, the Tibetan Government has to experience the consequences of their very bad karmic actions in accordance to the Law of cause and effect,(karma) in this respect, as most of us have learnt! Surprisingly, it looks as though there were no civil law and order in the country during those times!
Dear Pastor Jean Ai,
This is a very interesting article.
There are several questions that i have
– If it is not Nechung who is in the Oracle to speak, and it is a spirit, won’t Nechung stopped the spirit?
– H.H Dalai Lama is known as enlighten being, can’t H.H Dalai Lama differentiate it is a spirit or Nechung?
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From this article, it seems that the Tibetan are quite violent, they will harm, murdered and killed when things get into theirs ways. The killing karma is very heavy. If they can commit the killing, can i say, they do not really believe in laws of karma? Religion have been uses by them as a scapegoat to get rid of what they do not like then.
For over decades, the Tibetan’s government have uses oracle to decide on the big decision. Cant they make own decision? The moment they depends on the oracles’ prophecy, are they trying to escape “karma” or they are not capable to handle the problems they face?
The ban of Dorje Shugden was advise by “Nechung”. From this article, it is very true that if it is Nechung requested Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen arise as Dharma Protector, it is impossible that Nechung will ban his own “request”.
Anyhow, in this era, if a government still depends on the oracle to made decision on behalf of them, i think they should not be a parliament to vote etc. Just ask the oracle will do. Hopes the Central Tibetan Government could understand that it is important to looks at their people’s needs than blindly believed and harm their people. The Dorje Shugden’s ban have brought no benefit to anyone, but segregation and disharmony.
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This article definitely give much answers over the topic of Karma, the cause and effects of our actions. Thank you Pastor Jean Ai.
It is good that we are still able to hear and listen to logical special oral transmission of history which give many answers to what had been on my mind as to how absurd the Dalai Lama Lineage and Tibetan government is so blinded by the misprophecies of Nechung.
As we all know that Nechung is the pehar who caused the arising of Dorje Shugden and it all was not logical that Nechung should now be invoking the ban on Dorje Shugden.
This article is very informative as to why “events” are today and why Dorje Shugden and devotees are being persecuted.
May the “black karma” of the Tibetan Government be purified and we are at peace to devote our faith in Dorje Shugden.
The Dalai Lama’s lineage and his governments are responsible for the “Murder of Three Living Buddhas”.
We are taught to see our lamas especially our “Tulkus” as living Buddhas.
The greatest sin a Buddhist can commit is to “Murder a Living Buddha”. The “Black Karma” that is committed is beyond belief or description.
The murder of Drakpa Gyeltsen Tulku, Nyari Tulku and Demo Tulku are the “Murders of Three Living Buddhas”.
These “Three Murders of Living Buddhas” and their “Black Karma” rest that the feet of the Dalai Lama’s lineage and his governments.
Thank you Pastor Jean Ai for sharing this really interesting article on the possibility of the Nechung Oracle taking trance of another harmful being instead. Now at least we may know why so many prophecies or advices were wrong and harmful. I must say that the karma of the Tibetan government seem very heavy after all those murder of the innocents, especially practitioners. I am amazed that these officials who are so close to the “King” Dalai Lama could act so criminal without impunity. However even knowingly having the spirit Nyatrul taking over the Nechung Oracle, why had not the Dalai Lamas put a stop to reliance on his prophecies or advices? After all he is Buddha Cherenzig and would have the enlightened mind to know what is true and what is false. How incredibly cruel his ministers were to skin Nyari Tulku alive and left him to die a slow painful death.
And from this possible false “Nechung” came the advice to ban the Dorje Shugden practice that had been propitiated for 400 years. This ban brought so much suffering to the Shugden practitioners, especially Sangha members who were expelled from their monasteries, the only home that they had known since young. Even until today, the Shugden practitioners are still suffering the karma of the CTA government but with the recent softening of the Dalai Lama’s stance on Dorje Shugden, the ban on his practice may be lifted swiftly. May the reinstatement of Protector Dorje Shugden bring blessings to all who will start to propitiate him and rely on him. OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA!
Dear PJA
Thank you for this interesting article. I have been hearing rumours that the spirit taking trance of Tibet state oracle is not actually Nechung. Only after reading this article I know in more details what spirit and the history of this spirit.
When reading this article, I was wondering why the Dalai Lama, who is the emanation of Buddha of Compassion and should actually know that the spirit possessing the Nechung oracle did not say anything. I guess it was because CTA and people in exile have the karma to be fooled by these spirits. Another indication of this is, the spirit possessing the Nechung Oracle have given many inaccurate prophecies. Therefore it does not make sense to continue believing in his prophecies. And yet, the Tibetan leadership in exile and others continued to believe in this spirit although his track record is not clean. I always wonder why. The article has somewhat answered my question – it is because they have the karma to be fooled.
Thank you once again for this article
Valentina
This article about Nyatrul is both revealing and educational. From what we had read about the mis-prophecies from Nechung, the unanswered question had always been why would “Nechung”, the spirit who was subdued by Guru Rinpoche could be giving oracles that harm Tibet and the people. The information given by Geshe-la suggested that it was the harmful spirit Nyatrul who entered the oracles and did the mischiefs. And it was all because of the Tibetan government past evil deed for wrongfully accusing someone innocent. The Tibetan government has to experience the consequences of their actions, according to the law of cause and effect (karma). For there is no way a spirit can harm them. I wonder will the Four Opponent Powers to purify their negative karma work better than the fire pujas or Kangsor that had been applied but failed to subdue Nyaltrul? Thank you Pastor Jean Ai for this indubitable write up on the unsolved mystery of Nechung’s oracles.
Wow! Thank you Pastor Jean Ai for sharing this very interesting write up! It makes a lot of sense and a lot of things are clearer now! Now we know the truth in why is Nechung so contradictory to himself, first he asked Dorje Shugden to arise then he bans Dorje Shugden makes no sense at all. But now it does and knowing that it was another spirit/Nyatrul Tulku entering and disturbing the Dalai Lama’s ministers and government, making them pay back for their evil deeds makes complete sense. But doesn’t the Dalai Lama in His clairvoyance as Chenrezig know all this? And if he does, why did he choose to follow the fake Nechung/ Nyatrul’s advice to ban Dorje Shugden? Unless He knows and he followed along as there is a grander reason for all this — to spread Dorje Shugden? Otherwise why did the Dalai Lama not see this coming and went a long with it?
I feel extremely sorry for Demo Rinpoche and Nyatrul Tulku and how a Buddhist government would wrong torture and kill someone so cruelly? To skin him like so is just pure evil, no matter what, even if he did something wrong. Then again we must remember Tibetans were literally a barbaric society.
I hope the Dalai Lama’ government would read this and repent for their crimes and sins because it does not look good for them as the end result is confirmed, they will end and be destroyed by Nyatrul or rather by their own negative karma. And as if that is not enough, imagine the negative karma accumulated from killing Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen and now banning Dorje Shugden, again two more innocent events! As we dig deeper, the truth slowly unveils and CTA becomes more and more of joke to the entire exile Tibetan people. They will drag their own people down, they will destroy themselves if they don’t repair what they’ve done to Demo Rinpoche, Nyatrul Tulku and Tulku Dragpa Gyetsen. Haven’t they learnt and realise form not being able to subdue Dorje Shugden?
So now everything they say that is coming from”Nechung” is really questionable. I think Nechung is quite fed up with them too, hence allows Nyatrul to enter the Nechung oracle and continuously give wrong prophesies! The CTA better wake up and they are heading towards self destruction as Nyatrul will see to it.
It is correct that Nyari Tulku, “Nyatrul” was innocent. He was falsely convicted and murdered on orders of the 13th Dalai Lama.
H.H. Demo Tulku was along side Nyari Tulku falsely convicted and murdered for the same plot. H.H. Demo Tulku was stuffed into a barrel that was then filled with water. He drowned and just like Nyari Tulku he was not given a proper burial. He was thrown into a river will still inside the barrel.
Ask yourselves who gained from the “Regent” Demo Tulku’s death. Start with the new “Regent” of Tibet who gained all that status, power, wealth and property that came along with the new title of “Regent”. The “Game of (Regent) Thrones” was lost by Demo Tulku.
Both men were murdered on the orders of the 13th Dalai Lama for a murder plot they did not do. They were both innocent but that did not matter. H.H. Demo Tulku’s reincarnation lineage was destroyed by the 13th Dalai Lama. The next incarnation of Demo Tulku was recognized by the 13th Dalai Lama. The boy was the Dalai Lama’s “nephew” (surprise, surprise) . The monks of Tengyeling Monastery the official seat of Demo Tulku (a Mongolian tulku lineage like Tsem Tulku) refused to accept the boy as their reincarnated teacher. They knew he was falsely enthroned by the 13th Dalai Lama. He wanted his “nephew” to possess all the wealth and property of the late Demo Tulku estate.
In 1910 the monks of Tengyeling Monastery join with the Chinese Army who had just expelled the 13th Dalai Lama. They allowed the Chinese Army to garrison their troops at Tengyeling. The Oracle of Tengyeling was taken trance by Tsiu (Kache) Marpo. Tsiu (Kache) Marpos was the official protector of Tengyeling and Demo Tulku built a protector chapel for him. In 1910 Tengyeling Oracle while in trance told the monks to rise up and fight against the 13th Dalai Lama. The monks having great faith in Demo Tulku and his “personal” protector Tsiu (Kache) Marpo rose up to fight along side the Chinese Army against the 13th Dalai Lama.
Unfortunately the rebellion failed and in 1912 the Chinese Army surrendered after they stopped receiving supplies and reinforcements from China. The treasurer of Tengyeling was named “Methar” he was tortured by the Dalai Lama’s troops. They wanted him to reveal the hiding place of all the gold, silver and precious gems of Tengyeling Monastery. He refused and was “skinned alive”. “Methar” became a revenging demon and caused great suffering. He was subdued by Serkong Rinpoche and was placed into the Dorje Shugden mandala under Kache (Tsiu) Marpo.
The 13th Dalai Lama ordered the total destruction of Tengyeling Monastery. The Demo Tulku lineage was destroyed as was the Tengyeling Oracle lineage.
To this day Nyari Tulku (Nyatrul) fights against the Dalai Lama lineage. As does His Holiness Demo Tulku and his followers. As does the Dharmapala Kache (Tsiu) Marpo as does the Dharmapala Methar.
Please remember in your prayers H.H. Demo Tulku, Tsiu (Kache) Marpo, Methar and the Tengyeling Oracle.
I don’t doubt this story Henry, but can you tell us the source of this story? Did you hear it from a lama, read it from somewhere? Can somehow we can verify this?
Hello Crystal
First my name is Harold and you can start your journey by simply googling “Demo Tulku” and Tengyeling Monastery. You can also google the book “Demons and Oracles of Tibet”. Under the chapter on “Dorje Shugden” go to the last page I think its 144 and you can read about “Methar”. I also heard about all this from the present day Tengyeling Oracle.
Thank you for your interest.
@Henry, I am very fascinated by the ‘protector’ Methar and Tengye Ling oracle as in your story. Do you know where to find a picture of Methar and Tengye Ling oracle. I am very much interested in Methar. Does he have a mantra of Methar? Do you know the iconography of Methar? What is his color, how many arms, what clothes he wears, any hat, how many eyes, riding on anything, position of body and arms and legs? Thank you
Hello Herlios
There are no pictures of Methar or the late Tengyeling Oracle. The present day Tengyeling Oracle does not wish to present himself to the public.
You can see a thangka of Demo Tulku, Nyari Tulku,Methar and Tsiu (Kache) Marpo. Go to “ebay” and search under “Tsiu Marpo thangka”. There is only one thangka there and you will see “Tsiu (Kache) Marpo in the center. In the top left hand corner is “Demo Tulku”, in the top right hand corner is “Nyari Tulku, the botton right had corner “Methar” and the bottom left hand corner a “dakini”.
Due to tantric rules the “Mantra” of Methar is secret and not for public viewing.
The thangka iconography of Methar is the following. From the head up he has a human face with his fangs biting into his lower lip. His hair is in a top knot. Methar was not a monk but a lay person. From the neck down he is naked and skinned alive. In his right hand he holds a spear and in his left hand a mala (rosary) of human skulls. He is standing on a corpse (demon) with his spear stuck in its heart and his mala (rosary) used as a “Lasso” tied around the corpse’s neck. All of this is set on an “Ocean of Blood”.
Thank you for your interest.
Dear Harold,
Thank you for your reply. I find this deity Methar extremely fascinating. It is amazing how much harm was done to H.H. Demo Rinpoche in Tibet, Tengyeling Monastery and to the treasurer (Methar). Stories of true accounts like this should not be hidden. The world or at least interested parties should know the truth. It is important. I am so glad it is here so when people google, at least it might land them here.
I figure if H.H. Demo Rinpoche, nephew and Methar and all of them were really involved with the conspiracy against 13th Dalai Lama, if they were caught and punished, they would not be so angry. Because they were falsely accused, then Methar became very angry and arose as a ferocious spirit to right the wrongs. It is by the power of truth, Methar arose as this spirit. They were wronged. After all Methar was practicing guru devotion and protecting his guru and because of that he was flayed and killed by the Tibetan government. His guru devotion was great. I guess due to the merits of protecting his guru as best he can before dying, later he had the merits to become a dharma protector. If he didn’t have the merits, Serkong Rinpoche would not have been able to place him in Dorje Shugden’s entourage. Methar’s story touches me deeply. I would very much like to have a picture of Methar and chant his mantra and invoke his energy to be in my life.
It will be very good if a blog post on Methar comes out and we can refer to it in the future. It would be nice if there were prayers to Methar that we can recite daily available.
Stories like this should not be hidden. The best sort of ‘revenge’ against the crimes committed against them is to get these stories out and make Methar’s practice popular and well known. I am sure the exiled Tibetan govt would like to cover their past misdeeds and all this is forgotten. We should make sure it is not forgotten by having a blog post, make Methar’s practice available and his image available. I realize his image is tantric/sacred in nature, but the benefits of sharing Methar now is more beneficial then keeping him hidden. As there are not many people who know about Methar now, there is a danger his practice/story/lineage may disappear. That would be a shame. I hope something can be done to preserve this. I am sure there are practitioners out there who have a affinity with Methar and would like to know more and practice more like me.
Thank you Harold and everyone here for all this information. I really enjoy it and consider this a blessing.
Herlios
P.S. One question: Is Tsiu Marpo and Kache Marpo the same exact being or different and related or how?
The treasurer of Tengyeling was named “Methar” he was tortured by the Dalai Lama’s troops. They wanted him to reveal the hiding place of all the gold, silver and precious gems of Tengyeling Monastery. He refused and was “skinned alive”. “Methar” became a revenging demon and caused great suffering. He was subdued by Serkong Rinpoche and was placed into the Dorje Shugden mandala under Kache (Tsiu) Marpo. —- This is very interesting! Yes would like to know more and if there are pictures of him or if you could describe him more please?
Also would love to see pictures of the Oracle of Tengyeling was taken trance by Tsiu (Kache) Marpo?
Thank you Harold for sharing a lot of interesting information and appreciate to know where it’s coming from 🙂
Hello Joy Kam
I think I have answered most of your questions in my replies to Crystal and Herlios.
There are no photos of the previous Tengyeling Oracle. The present day Tengyeling Oracle is and old man who wishes to remain private. He does not seek or wish public attention. He states that he is only a messanger for Tsiu (Kache) Marpo and it is the message that is important and never the messanger. He also states that in the old days “Oracles” were meant for questions about the “Dharma” and not like today about who you should marry or should I buy this house.
He states that he does not take “full trance” of Tsiu (Kache) Marpo but he “channels” him. Tsem Tulku speaks about the difference between “full trance” and “channeling” in his “youtube” video titles “Taking Trances”.
The Oracle jokes about how he and Marpo are room mates in the same apartment (His consciousness).
Thank you for your interest.
You should also know part of the strange tale of the present “Tengyeling Oracle”. He was born “stateless” in a refugee camp. The Oracle has lived in Toronto Canada for over six decades.
What is really strange is that in all the world there are two “Tengyeling Temples”. One in Lhasa that is Nyingma and has nothing to do with H.H. Demo Tulku. The other is in TORONTO where the present Tengyeling Oracle lives.
Years and years ago when Tsiu (Kache) Marpo first started to channel the present day Tengyeling Oracle he “took” him to see the “old” temple in Toronto. The Oracle was excited and unsure what to expect. When he arrived there he saw the sign “Tengyeling Buddhist Temple” and on the side of the temple was a large photograph of the 14th Dalai Lama. When he saw the photo he became very cold inside and left, never to return. He did not know why at that time he felt that way. It was only later that it was revealed to him by Tsiu (Kache) Marpo why he felt that way and why he never returned there. Go to google for images of the old Toronto Tengyeling Temple.
It was only years that that an former monk from this temple exposed it was being run as a cult. Sean Hillman was an ordained monk there for seven years (see youtube “7 years in a tibetan buddhist temple” and google his name and Tengyeling to see his continuing fight to expose its corrupt leader Tenzin Kalsang, Carol Watt).
What are the odds of the present day Tengyeling Oracle living in the same city where there is the one and only Gelug Tengyeling Temple in the WORLD.
The Tengyeling Monastery of H.H. Demo Tulku was destroyed in 1912 on orders of the 13th Dalai Lama. One hundred and fourteen years later in 2016 there is now a new corrupted cult like Tengyeling Temple dedicated to the 14th Dalai Lama in Toronto. What do we also find in Toronto in 2016? Demo Tulkus Tengyeling Monastery’s present day Oracle.
This is only part of the incredible story of the present day Tengyeling Oracle.
Pray for Demo Tulku, Nyari Tulku (Nyatrul),Methar and Tsiu (Kache) Marpo).
Dear Harold,
Thank you very much for your wealth of information… yes I couldn’t agree with you more and the oracle that now a days people do not ask the oracles about Dharma related subjects but more the worldly mundane’s of samsara… times of degeneration I guess.
Yes I googles and saw the Tengyeling Temple dedicated to the 14th Dalai Lama in Toronto. It’s really interesting or rather shocking to learn all these stories or rather hidden crimes by the Dalai Lama’s government, and up till this day they still continue to do so. I am with Herlios that such stories should definitely be shared and exposed for the world to know…. written and preserve so that our future generations will hear the truth.
Your description of Methar is very interesting indeed. I went to google and found this (see attached), is this the thangka you described above of Tsui Marpo? So Methar is on the bottom right in a ‘general’ type of outfit? And the bottom left is a naked dakini holding a heart and mala (thangka is apparently sold)? Or is this thangka the wrong one?
I still cannot believe that in a so called Buddhist government, such cruel acts or torture and killing was approved? I really cannot comprehend that part of the ruling… and how is it possible that no other Lamas question that? This is no democratic government let alone a Buddhist one, I am amazed they lasted this long.
Hi Harold,
Thank you for your comments. It has been brought to Rinpoche’s attention that you know some things about Tengyeling and Methar. Our Rinpoche has been very interested in Methar and anything associated with Tsiu Marpo, Kache Marpo and Dorje Shugden.
It seems like you have a lot of information. Would you like to help us get a blog post up about Tengyeling, Methar and what happened in your own words, and we will be glad to publish it?
The greatness of Tengyeling, the Demo Tulku line of incarnations, Methar and Tsiu Marpo should not be forgotten, but it seems the powers that be want to suppress all of this. So it would be good to get a nice article out that talks in a gentle way about what has been happening because it will garner more viewers and more sympathy.
Pastor Jean Ai