Will the Dalai Lama agree with this?
I post on many subjects. I post on my feelings, thoughts and what I’ve learned. I write what I see and it may not be what you see, but that is okay because diversity is so necessary. We can still be civil and polite in our differences with others. After all, things can change. Some topics are hard to read, some are what is projected of me and some you don’t think I should write about. But the point is, its on my space and in the ‘privacy’ of my space I share with those who are interested in my humble thoughts. I am not sharing anything negative about others, but it’s about myself. If you are not interested, don’t visit my space daily because you will annoy yourself. LOL. I wouldn’t want that for you.
As I was growing up I was made fun of, teased and even had violence directed against me because I am Asian. My skin is yellow. I had so many demonize me and degrade me for my color. As I grew up, it was hard. But I came to terms with this years later. I read so many people have experienced the same thing in history since the dawn of man. I am not sorry for being my color and I am not beneath anyone because of it. People who grew up in countries of their origin may not know how this feels, but for people who grew up in cultures ‘not their own’ without a choice, it is very painful and daily the taunts are there. I can’t help my color and neither can you. I don’t need to apologize for it or change who I am just to let you think better of me. I am who I am and I am fine. My color is fine. By being different, I was taunted.
What does this type of comment reflect on those who are against Dorje Shugden. Does it show tolerance, compassion and being a better Buddhist?
When I had difficulties and really had it hard, I had to model to keep afloat for many reasons. No one asked why am I doing this, they just assumed whatever they assumed. But I had very good reasons for doing this. I had to support myself. Still, people said, “Oh you don’t look like a dharma teacher. What you teach is not real or cannot be because you don’t look like a dharma teacher.” Again, I was prejudiced against because of the way I look. I had that said to me for years. Oh he is too good looking to be a dharma teacher. Now that he looks like that, he’s finished and he’s thrown his Buddhist training away! You don’t know what happened so don’t assume. Yet in Gaden my teacher said I look fine and to keep teaching. Just keep teaching I was instructed. But teaching was hard because many said I don’t look like a traditional lama and I shouldn’t be teaching. Just because I don’t look like what you think I should look like, I am disqualified? Strange as it sounds, yes, it was like that. Why does a teacher have to look the way you project in order to be whatever qualifications you feel they ‘need’ to be? I am not teaching to prove anything to anyone, but simply following my teacher’s instructions. I am not teaching or professing to be a Buddha but just an ordinary dharma teacher. I am not the best nor the worst. I just am. So again projections from others always creates barriers. So many prejudices due to projections and expectations. You go and teach. You go find sponsors, set up blog sites, spend thousands of hours writing. You spend hundreds of hours listening to other people’s problems that they create and want you to solve. You build dharma centers and pay the rent. You find the people to be committee and nurture them and be on call 24 hours year after year. You be perfectly thin always. You be the perfect lama archetype. You worship whatever other’s approve of you worshipping. You go and answers the thousands of questions that come in one year. Year after year. You teach, speak, visit, bless, travel and do your best to serve others for 30 years as I have and then we can talk.
It’s easy to sit behind a computer on Facebook and start a page with ‘provocative’ titles and just criticize, criticize and bombast everyone who doesn’t agree with your sense of race, right, political views, ethics, feelings, religion, sexual orientation. It’s nice for some of you that you never post one single picture of yourself or give scant information about yourself and just criticize others. Are you being paid by CTA in Dharamsala to create discord and disharmony? That’s the rumors. All those who don’t post their faces and information and hide behind facebook but are virulent in their comments are hiding something. They are not to be taken seriously or should we watch them carefully? Why else would you spend hours daily on facebook without properly identifying yourself and just write nasty remarks that are vulgar against another human being just because they practice Shugden? Doesn’t make sense. LOL. I am out, so why don’t you come out! The only reason you can criticize me is because I am doing many works. After all, if I was doing nothing, you wouldn’t have anything to say. I am an open book as much as anyone can be with my blog, facebook, dharma center, charities, pictures, online presence. Kind of unfair huh? Some people know more about me than me! LOL. What have you done? Post up what you have accomplished and what you have done to give you the right to judge, condemn and hang on a daily basis another person who you don’t agree with? Every single person, group, family, couple, company, organization, city, town, country, continent have their haters and likers. Just because some people left my organization or life and write or feed you some information to attack me with does not mean what they say is accurate. There is always two sides of the coin. If they are so accurate, let’s meet by standards of law. I am not worried. Everyone has had a girlfriend, boyfriend, family member etc leave them. So what. People leave and everyone has their reasons. The bigger the company or the bigger the organization the more people leave. If you own for example Google or Samsung, you can have 1,000 employees leave a year and it matches the ratio of people coming in. Each one of them can start some unpleasant blog of how bad their experiences were. But if Google and Samsung keeps growing, then they are also doing something right.
Kechara is growing and will continue to grow. For all the naysayers, it is growing and I will work hard with all the wonderful Kecharians to continue benefitting others. My hats off to them. I can write a blog or get many people to write very painful truths about some people and why they really left. I know many ‘secrets’…LOL. We all know the truths about many people who complain and write in the ‘safety’ of anonymity so they think about me and others. It will not affect me one bit, because hard work and results silences everything. But you know what, they will make the same problems wherever they go. Just sit and watch if you know them. And this does not help me spiritually nor them. Every person that leaves has a ‘horror’ story, but the truth is, if the organization continues and thrives over time, then let’s see who is right or wrong if that is even necessary to prove. Over time let’s see where each of us gets to. What we succeed in life.
Why make personal comments? What does this have to do with Shugden or the ban against him? It’s no one’s business how much anyone has.
So if people are going to write or say things, then show who you are and give proof of what you say. Don’t be the invisible ripper ‘strangling’ unsuspecting passersby in the dark. LOL. If the His Holiness the Dalai Lama knew all the things you say, how you taunt and how you accuse others online, would he approve? Would your mother approve? LOL. Did Dalai Lama say attack others online daily because they have views different than you? What have you done? No one knows. Maybe you have done great things, but that doesn’t mean you can degrade others. Some of you claim to be ‘survivors’ of this dharma group or that one. Great you ‘survived’, but we are trying to survive through all your complaints, rantings, and attacks daily too. We need a survivors group that survives your group. LOL. When you position your life to daily send out negative words, negative energy and negative attacks on others, is this helping your spiritual growth? Does this help you? Not in the long run. Go get help and not survive but thrive finally! Make a new life and do some charities that benefit others so you can feel good too. No one made it big or impactual by complaining daily and attacking others online. You are wasting your time to attack others. I will not change one iota of myself just because you don’t find my color, religion, views, culture to your liking.
When I was heavyset in my 30s people kept saying, “Oh you are so heavy. Lose weight.” It’s like I will lose weight if I want to but did you ever think, that is not something that matters to me and it’s not your business? Why judge people due to their weight, color, sex, race and age. Oh dear, you are so old, I am going to say something ugly. Oh, you are black and I don’t like you. You have the freedom to be Black but I have the freedom to keep writing nasties about Blacks. Sound right? No it is wrong. They have the right to be Black and you have no right to say otherwise. So I have the freedom to practice Shugden, but you are going to segregate myself from others, say nasties about me, unfriend me, burn my books, tell the world I pray to a demon, and then tell everyone Dalai Lama said so? That is freedom? Saying nasties is not freedom of speech, but your racism, hatred and anger showing through or whatever you are unhappy with. Please get help. I am who I am. I am what religion I am, and it’s not your job to approve or not approve. Tibetans from Tibet would say, “Wow, you look like a lama.” Tibetans like their lamas big e.g. Panchen Rinpoche, Pabongka Rinpoche and Ling Rinpoche. It’s ‘prosperous’. When I was thin, then they said, “Oh you don’t look so good.” Sigh. I look like what I look like, for goodness sake. LOL. Again, looking inside of me would be better.
When I went to Gaden, I had some monks from Drepung Gomang Monastery who told me I was doing the wrong thing. That Six-Armed Mahakala would strike me down if I did. I told them if Mahakala strikes me down for that, then He has no compassion. They can actually tell me Mahakala will strike me down. They said I was rude to say that? I said, sorry. They said I must and should go to Drepung Gomang Monastery because my mother is Mongol, and Mongols ONLY go to Drepung and not Gaden. And some of them said my father was an ex-monk of Drepung Loseling Monastery (which is true), so that is why I should go to Drepung Monastery also. Some monks were very unhappy I didn’t go to Drepung and instead went to Gaden. When I told them it was the instructions of my gurus to go to Gaden, it fell on deaf ears although in Tibetan Buddhism, Guru devotion is supreme and should be followed in the strictest sense. I was confused, but entered Gaden anyways as my teacher instructed this. For some guru devotion is discarded when not convenient.
We are besieged with the views of others always. There are many other incidences. But the latest is the Shugden issue. If you practice Shugden, then people should disassociate with you. Yes, as silly as it sounds, that is what people advocate. If you practice Dorje Shugden you are automatically against the Dalai Lama! And I am asked if my wisdom is greater than the Dalai Lama’s? I am sure the Dalai Lama’s wisdom is profound, but I don’t think he is the only one that has profound wisdom. I think his gurus and my gurus have equally profound wisdom. Why would the Dalai Lama’s wisdom surpass other great teachers? Just because he is the Dalai Lama? I don’t think that is correct. On what basis is his wisdom greater than every other lama in the Tibetan world? Because he is famous? That is not logical. I agree the Dalai Lama has profound wisdom and knowledge, but I think many other great teachers do as well. One lama having high attainments will be the same as another. If I follow the wisdom of the Dalai Lama, then I am good and wonderful. If I don’t and choose to follow my lama’s or another lama’s wisdom, then I am a ghost worshipper, evil and should be purged. Gee, that sounds very un-Buddhist from whatever angle you look at it. So where should we limit this? There are hundreds of high lamas, teachers, tulkus, geshes, monks, nuns, practitioners teaching/practicing Dorje Shugden in Tibet and all over the world. Why only put the special spotlight on me and a few other lamas? Why am I so special? Some are very vocal in Tibet teaching Shugden to tens of thousands of people. Can I sit out this dance please and you go tap another shoulder and have a dance with them? LOL. I am online and perhaps slightly well known, so you are worried about this? Well as I said, I won’t change one iota on my views on Shugden and if you keep attacking, I will come out with more research, information, thangkas, teachings and et al. Correction, I will come out with more Shugden stuff anyways because I have my instructions from higher authorities to do so, namely my lamas.
People who love His Holiness is justified to put everyone else down?
Some say if I post about Shugden on my Facebook wall, it appears in their feed (timeline) and it disturbs them. Why does it disturb you? This makes them call me a demon worshipper, send me unpleasant and vulgar messages, telling me I’m evil and everyone should unfriend me and burn my books. Yes, some suggested to burn my books as though my books are a portal to something dark? I think you better go and burn all Ouija boards then? My goodness, this sounds like a witch-hunt from the 16th century. It also sounds very much like the ideology of certain regimes – that if you read certain books you are bad. For example the burning of Confucian books and scholars by the first Qin Emperor in 213 BC China. Also in the Chinese Cultural Revolution where all old cultures, customs and ideas that didn’t match the manifesto of the revolution were outlawed. If you don’t agree with something, burn it and destroy it. All Buddhists should practice compassion. So some people put me down because I am Asian. Others unfriend me because I like Shugden, and burn my books because it’s from a ‘Shugden’ person and totally segregate me. What difference does any prejudice against any aspect of another person make? Any prejudice is bad, full stop. Historically all forms of prejudice have harmed progress and thoughts and freedom.
People who degraded me because I am Asian felt they were right. They felt Asians are beneath them and shouldn’t emigrate to America. Well then colonialists should not come to Asia and colonize right? So is it ok for someone to degrade me due to my race or color of my skin? They have and they thought they were right in doing so. Where does it stop? Where do we draw the line? Now some people degrade me because of my spiritual faith and they feel they are right too. To segregate me because my religious beliefs are different. Give me proof that my religious practice has made me a bad person with no compassion and knowledge. I am talking about me harming others because of my faith. Of course there is no proof because my spiritual orientation does not harm. I did not and have not harmed anyone due to my faith. Does the Dalai Lama want you to harm me and degrade me? Are you following Dalai Lama’s instructions or you are just mistreating Shugden people because it distracts you from deeper issues within yourself? I can’t believe the Dalai Lama would agree to your behavior. Have all other gurus for the last four hundred years all been wrong and only the Dalai Lama is right? Should people also comment on my weight and maybe find more reasons to segregate me, put me down and demonize me?
Why don’t we make a list of all the things we should degrade other people for? Where does this end? Where is the limit? So you should not associate with Shugden people because they are unclean and evil? Why? What makes them unclean and evil? Because the Dalai Lama said so or you said so? Did the Dalai Lama tell you all to unfriend, hate, despise and segregate Shugden people? Did the Dalai Lama suggest this or advocate this? Did the Dalai Lama tell you to go on the Internet and disparage and degrade people who favour Shugden? Did the Dalai Lama tell you to burn the books of Shugden practitioners, bar them from restaurants and unfriend them on social media? Is the Dalai Lama happy when you do all this? If it is not the Dalai Lama, then who is asking you to do this? Who is asking you to unfriend, criticize and send nasty messages to me and other Shugden people? If the Dalai Lama knew you are doing all this, would he be happy? If he would not be happy, why are you doing it? Are you doing the Dalai Lama justice by acting and speaking in a degrading way towards Shugden people?
Then, some people say Shugden people are protesting or terrorizing Dalai Lama. I did neither. Some say Shugden people are taking money from China to create disharmony by practicing Shugden. Well I got no money from China ever. I was given Shugden decades ago before any Shugden ban was in place. The ban came much later. My teachers and their teachers for the last four hundred years received no money from Chinese government to practice Shugden. Some say Shugden people are violent. I do not commit any violence against any anti-Shugden people. Are you being a good Dalai Lama student by degrading others, unfriending them, burning their books, calling them demons? Does the Dalai Lama advocate this? Be careful what you answer. If the Dalai Lama advocates all this, this is not good. If the Dalai Lama does not advocate this, then why are you doing it? Why should you treat Shugden people different than any other person? There is no reason. If you didn’t know they practice Dorje Shugden then they appear ok and nothing is wrong with them at all. But once you know, then suddenly the same person becomes bad. Did they change or did your opinion/prejudice make you change?
Why does anyone have to reveal anything personal to anyone? What right does anyone have to ask anyone anything private such as one’s spiritual practice. Many hide behind a name with no picture and just degrade others. Is this right? Are they being paid by CTA to do this? Otherwise why would anyone spend that much time to degrade others and be so righteous?
Ask yourself honestly, when you degrade others because of their color, race, culture, religion, sexual orientation or differences, does it make you a better person? Do you really get to heaven because of these actions? Do you reach enlightenment by acting out your hatred of another’s difference from you? Does getting to heaven require the punishment, pain and destruction of another group of people? Think carefully. Would the Dalai Lama be happy with your lack of tolerance, understanding and compassion towards Shugden people or any person in the world? In the last century, six million Jews were exterminated due to their ethnicity and religion. Many in Europe thought it was fine and went along with it at the time. They felt Jews deserve to be punished, locked up, burned alive, their culture destroyed, their writings burned, their lives ended and their people put to death simply because they were Jews. They were called devils. Do you agree with that? Are Jews devils and evil? Should harm be done to them? I don’t believe that for one second. I think Jews and any human being should be treated equally. How about the Black people in America? Should they be slaves to Whites because they are black and by being black they are inferior? Well for two hundred years, that is what was believed in America. Their native religions from Africa were considered devil’s worship by the Whites and they had to convert to Christianity. Converted because they are inferior to White man’s religion. Their religion is inferior. Would such horrendous thoughts and acts be allowed today in reference to the beautiful Black and Jewish people? Unacceptable today and yet there was a time it was acceptable.
What if we were to punish poor and old and sick people because they are ‘bad’ and not useful. In the 80’s when AIDS first became common knowledge, people with HIV were shunned, unfriended, avoided, castigated, told they were immoral and some even suggested they should die. A punishment from God or something silly as that. Same thing with lepers in the past. People shunned and isolated them. They were segregated and were rejected. Should we go back to that kind of archaic mentality? Of course not. It would be outrageous in today’s world but not so long ago, it was not considered outrageous. That is the situation with Shugden people today. How far should we go with them? Should we just gas all of them if they don’t follow what the Dalai Lama says? Shall we disrespect them and take away their rights? Why not? How far shall we go?
The Dalai Lama is one of the people who recognized my incarnation line as well as the abbot of Gaden Shartse. If I am a fake Tulku, then Dalai Lama is wrong?
Why does agreeing with the Dalai Lama have to resort to vulgarity, ostracizing, segregating people? Why does agreeing with the Dalai Lama mean that you don’t have to have compassion, tolerance and love? Does your ‘master’ bid you to do harmful actions to convert people into doing the so-called positive? Does the Dalai Lama tell you not to associate with Shugden people? Is this his actual advice? Would he be pleased if you cut off from Shugden people just because they practice Shugden? Does the Dalai Lama want you to mistreat, cut off and segregate Shugden people? Is this what he wants? Think carefully as how you answer reflects upon the Dalai Lama. I don’t talk about the Dalai Lama negatively ever. I am not against the Dalai Lama. I am not responsible for what other Dorje Shugden people say or how they act. There are millions of them. I don’t need vulgar comments, swear words and all types of accusations that have nothing to do with my belief in Shugden. On social media people post what they like as and when, as they have the right to. The nasty comments in here are some of the many that Shugden worshippers and lamas receive daily. Well-meaning friends and students send me these comments, some which people leave on their FB sites and some sent to them. So please don’t tell me what I can post or not post on my personal space. I didn’t go to your space and post anything. If you post things on your space and it’s open, you invite debate. So if you don’t want debate, just set your privacy settings to your liking.
Some people say Shugden people have their own monasteries in South India (Serpom Monastery and Shar Gaden Monastery) and they are free to practice. Those monasteries were not formed because they are free to practice. Those monks chose to leave or be expelled anyway. If they had freedom to practice, they wouldn’t be expelled in the first place. They had no choice but to form their monasteries because within Tibetan monasteries their beliefs became outlawed. Shugden monasteries exist not because the Tibetan leadership allow it, but because the Indian constitution guarantees religious freedom. If it were up to the Tibetan leadership, these monasteries would not exist. By simple logic, look how Shugden people are persecuted and demonized just on social media. So imagine how they are treated in person? Very badly. The more Shugden people are persecuted, the more and more we will speak out peacefully. We will speak out till Shugden people are granted the same rights as everyone else and their religion does not get demonized anymore. This Shugden problem was created by the Tibetan leadership. Only the Tibetan leadership can solve it with peaceful dialogue.
You shouldn’t show prejudice to anyone because of their color, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, handicaps, age, beliefs and religious choice. No one should speak against people for any of these reasons. Everyone must be treated with respect. We are or should be in the age of ‘enlightenment’. People may pick what they choose to worship and no one should tell them they are wrong or advise anyone against anything. Everything is subjective. If I choose to worship Shugden, you have no right to speak against my belief or condemn. If you do condemn me, you leave the door wide open to allow other people who are different to be condemned and where does that stop?
I am sorry if I have to be direct, but there was no way around it,
Tsem Rinpoche
A ‘senior’ monk shows his seniority by calling another person a demon. Such behavior in the name of the Dalai Lama does not reflect well at all.
These are jsut one of the many comments my friends send to me. I have received hundreds more examples below. As you can see, the harassment is constant and persistent.
So many people can write unpleasant, finger pointing comments. Does the Dalai Lama approve of this. Would the Dalai Lama be happy to see this or not? You decide.
What does my Shugden practice have to be with my monkhood? How can this ‘interesting’ person predict my future and my downfall? Why do people go so far to presume such negatives? Does this make the commentator a better person or Buddhist?
If you have no interest in me, why the hundreds of comments? LOL.
I am an idiot and all the other vulgarities just because I practice Shugden. I am not even human. Look below. I am a hungry ‘gosh’????? I guess he means I am a hungry ghost. I am not a ghost but I am hungry! LOL
I am going to hell soon?? Thank you for your good wishes. You are a very good disciple of the Dalai Lama. Did he teach you to say that? Or you learned all by yourself? Will Dalai Lama be pleased with you speaking this way?
By throwing the books away you respect Dalai Lama? I thought by practicing compassion you respect Dalai Lama or is that out of vogue? Burn the books! Burn the witch! Burn Shugden people! Burn, burn, burn…anyone got a match? Don’t leave in the river, it might poison the fishes and make them practice Shugden! I find this so funny!
If he got headache take a painkiller please. Shugden had nothing to do with your headache. Even headaches are blamed on Shugden now. What’s next?
Not only in Thailand, but it’s growing bigger and bigger all over the world. Shugden’s time has come. You all make him more popular because you talk about Him constantly.
Burn the books! Burn the witch! While you are burning up Tsem Rinpoche, why don’t you burn the lepers, blacks, Jews, Whites, HIV positives, migrants, and anyone you don’t like. Heck, just burn the world! Is that the way to deal with Shugden or maybe be a good Buddhist and sit down and have a dialogue?
How wonderful. I will be barred from entering India because I practice Shugden. Don’t forget to ban me from restaurants, hospitals, shops and all offices in fact. Oh I forget, you are already doing that to the Shugden people in India. How nice there is no Shugden ban, but we are barred from India. Interesting.
If I practice Shugden then I must go to hell as that is the consequence. So hell is just for Shugden people now. Killing, murder, rape, robbery all are crimes that take you to heaven I guess. Why do people wish others to go to hell? Is that Buddhism?
Wow! Look at the language on this one! Vulgar, rude, spiteful and hateful. He is Dalai Lama’s student? Is this what Dalai Lama is pleased by? What would the Dalai Lama say if he saw this? If the Dalai Lama would be displeased, then why do these people do this? Why so much hatred and anger.
So now I am a rent boy? What posture makes a person a rent boy? What does this have to do with compassion, Buddhism and Shugden. Why dig up pictures of people in their younger days and label them negatively? Why attack people and then be so righteous? I am confused. Well I’ve been told I look decent here. LOL!
Why do such derogatory pictures of erudite monks and nuns? Why attack and degrade people who are sangha? Incredible. They have done so much for dharma and tens of thousands of people around the world.
So much time spent in meddling in other people’s private lives. Nothing they write is dharma, love or light. It’s all slander from beginning to end. So much hatred and anger from people who need something they never got when growing up. May they find peace and happiness one day among all the hatred.
Why do they spam and annoy others? Who are they to say who is what reincarnation?
The harassment is persistent and ongoing on various social media platforms.
This is pure spamming and harassment. Why do people do this. It does not make them, their cause or Tibetans look good. They do this nearly daily. It’s very sad.
So much vulgarity and dirty words. It really makes the pro-Dalai Lama people look uncouth, angersome and violent. They are violent and it shows in the words. They call us demon worshippers, but you don’t see any vulgarity by Shugden people anywhere on the net.
This fellow says he is CONVINCED the ban should stay. How ‘kind’ of him to say he is happy about the ban and wishes it stay. He is happy many are segregated, barred from public places and also the monastery separated causing so much pain. He is happy with all the turmoil and chaos this has created. What type of negative and harmful person can this be to think in such a negative manner. I wish for a good and positive resolution. Quite the reverse.
I am wearing lipstick? Gee. Sorry I have plump, shiny full lips and even that you have to degrade. What does my lips have to do with Shugden and the ban? Will my shiny lips send me to the three lower realms?? LOL!
Amazing how people have so much time to degrade and denigrade others. Sangha should never do that. Sangha should be kind representatives of the Dharma. Even Lord Buddha was kind to Anguimala. Sangha should be controlled in body, speech and mind regardless of the Shugden issue.
Why are these people bringing homosexuality into this? What does this have to do with Shugden’s issue? Are they putting gay people down or using homosexuality as some sort of degradation. I hope not as that is so wrong and so not necessary. People are people and should never be judged for their sexual orientation. We should never use this as a negative label.
I have included only some of all the nasty comments, vulgarities, slanders, rude name calling, prying into my personal life, fact twisting, concerted effort to undermine my spiritual freedom and rights. These are just samples but only the tip of the iceberg. It’s just plain nastiness that I must endure nearly daily only because I believe in Dorje Shugden. I am not the only one, but many others are dealt the same blows because of their belief in Shugden. So much hatred against another human being just for their religious beliefs. I didn’t commit any crimes, I don’t hurt people, I don’t steal, or break laws, nor do I force my beliefs on anyone. But I am treated in this way only because of my personal religious beliefs. I am also given death threats. They will kill me if I continue practicing Dorje Shugden. Incredible! So all of you who hurl vulgarities on the internet will be responsible indirectly for fanning the flames of ignorant anger that may escalate toward Shugden practitioners being harmed again. Because you are encouraging hate. Is that what you want? Each time you write something nasty, you are contributing. There is no limits to bad behavior when we open the floodgates of hatred. You are justified in your actions and have no karma just because you don’t practice Shugden?
This Dorje Shugden issue was started by the Tibetan Leadership and only they can solve it. I didn’t do anything wrong and I will never stop my spiritual direction in Shugden. All of this will only serve to inspire me to speak up more and bring Shugden to more willing people who are karmically ready or connected. I repeat, the Tibetan Leadership should open dialogue with the leaders of the Shugden communities. If they allow this to continue, what purpose does this serve? Or is it serving some other unspoken agenda by the CTA? I do not want to be involved in the talks as I am not qualified, but certainly peaceful dialogue is crucially urgent.
Many lamas and monks have told me they thank me for voicing out for them who cannot write or communicate in English. I am getting much invitations to many monasteries in worldwide as they thank me for sharing their plight to the world. That is what I am doing. I want nothing from this except the democratic rights of any human being to practice whatever God they choose without being segregated or spoken ill against. No religious leader or persons should ever spread intolerance and religious bigotry. We need peace in every sector of our small planet.
Tsem Rinpoche
INTERESTING DEVELOPEMENT:
We have been informed by our friends in Dharamsala that the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA; the de facto head of Tibetans in Exile in India) that they have seen the vulgarities said in the name of being on the Dalai Lama’s defense. Many who can read English in Dharamsala have been horrified that their campaign against Shugden is leading to such vulgarities and attacks on Shugden followers personal lives. CTA had hoped to intimidate Shugden people to give up through fear and violence in the past, but it has worked against them as they represent Dalai Lama a Nobel peace prize winner. People are asking why Dalai Lama does not speak up against the hatred towards Shugden people? CTA in the past have kept quiet about the attacks on Shugden people both physical and verbal but now IT’S DIRECTLY BEING CONNECTED TO THEM which is bad PR. The more Dalai Lama supporters hurl abuses on line and it’s recorded, the more it will work against CTA.
The CTA visit this blog often to keep a watch. They are embarrassed by people who write such negatives and vulgarities now and engage in name-calling in the name of Buddhism and the Dalai Lama. It reflects terribly on them. They have been getting more negative response from people around the world and more queries. The press has been picking up on these types of verbal abuses hurled at Shugden people and find it justified and alerted to the fact something is seriously wrong. They are starting to question the CTA more which is embarrassing.
We will keep posting these vulgarities hurled at Shugden people online. This is what Shugden people have to tolerate daily. But you will see NO SUCH COMMENTS from Shugden people. I have friends who informed me they will also send this article’s link to press around the world and proper authorities to keep them alert. As violent vulgarities can escalate into violence against innocent Shugden practitioners.
You see the bottom line is all this name hurling and violent words can stop overnight if His Holiness Dalai Lama speaks up to stop it. Dalai Lama should send people to engage in dialogue to settle this matter once and for all. It would benefit everyone all around. This ban and advice against peaceful Shugden practitioners was started by Tibetan leadership. They should do something to stop it as they are responsible for every person they affect with this ban. The Tibetan leadership is responsible for every harm perpetrated or planned against Shugden practitioners both verbal, psychological and physical
So much ignorance speaking here. Most of the people who practice Shugden are Caucasians? There are millions of Shugden practitioners in Tibet now.
What difference does it make what I am. My race and who I am is so transparent on the internet.
Racist comments. It’s shameful. It’s painful. Nobody is trash.
I am being asked if I am Chinese? As if being Chinese automatically makes me bad? What’s wrong with being Chinese? Even downright racism is expressed against Shugden practitioners. How shameful people will say these things in today’s world. Many pro Dalai Lama people are vulgar, rude, attack you on a personal level, racist, violent and threaten people with death. It’s amazing. No wonder CTA cannot get any headway with negotiations with China because look how Tibetan pro Dalai Lama people and their supporters behave.
No matter how friendly the Dalai Lama is with the few dwindling Western Governments who still meet him, they will never support a policy that is against China. No one will pick Dalai Lama over China. Dalai Lama cannot even enter most of the Southeast Asian countries, Nepal, Bhutan and so on. No Western Government will threaten their relations with China. Dalai Lama must make friends with China. China is powerful and has 1.2 billion people versus 6 million Tibetans. Tibetan leadership and people must stop antagonizing the Chinese Government. The Dalai Lama must open dialogue with them as the Western countries will not help in this. For the last 50 years, Dalai Lama and his ministers have gotten nowhere with negotiations with China. By being friendly with Western Governments accomplished nothing for Tibet either. Dalai Lama is 80 years old soon and not much time left. I wish Dalai Lama long life, but let’s be practical, China has the upper hand, so Tibetan leadership must make friends with China before it’s completely too late. Even India, the host of the Dalai Lama do not support Tibet over China. India must put her economy first.
Many lamas, monks, nuns, teachers and meditators ‘hang’ around countries out of Tibetan communities. Why would that make them disqualified as a monk or any sangha. Many Tibetans have illogical views and don’t think broadly hence they cannot fulfill their bigger goals. CTA must provide better education and exposure to Tibetans so they have a chance to life like anyone else. Many Tibetans are violent toward Shugden people due to ignorance, not because they are bad. I wish them well.
The Dalai Lama and Tibetans need the support of Westerners and Chinese from Taiwan and other countries, so why is it bad to ‘hang’ out with them. Much of the CTA and Tibetan community projects throughout the Tibetan settlements of India and Nepal are funded by Westerners and Chinese friends. We should not be ungrateful. There are good people and questionable people, but we should not generalize and say all Westerners and all Chinese are bad. We should be grateful that many countries even accept Tibetans to be part of their country and become citizens. Tibet losing their country is not any other country’s problem or responsibility. Now it’s time to make friends with everyone and be friends with China for the sake of six millions Tibetans in Tibet.
You will never see signs like this at the White House, Buckingham Palace, etc. but only in Tibetan settlements.
If there is no ban, why are the Dalai Lama’s people telling Dorje Shugden followers not to contact him at all?
If His Holiness was the secular leader, why are his people turning away their own citizens from him? As the secular leader, he should meet all freely and fairly to discuss and address their secular concerns, regardless of the differences in their faith and beliefs.
~ Pastor Jean Ai
Promises are made for the harassment to continue.
We are inundated with negative comments so my friends can’t help but come across vulgar comments and send to me.
Finally there is some wisdom, a light in the dark forest. Here we see some moderation, diplomacy and kindness. This is a good way to approach the issue. I like this method. Seems like some people are in favor of a more moderate approach.
It is interesting that an anti-Shugden person can recognize that other anti-Shugden people often jump to conclusions, and make unfair assumptions about the people they are directing their hatred against.
These are all posted here as it shows how much pain and abuse is hurled at innocent Shugden people. The more they attack online, the more the world will see what is really going on. I am not interested much in what online critics have to say but since my blog has huge readership, many people send these screenshots to me to publish here, to raise awareness of the discrimination against Shugden practitioners and show solid proof of the abuse we face. So the anti-Shugden online abuse is counter-productive. It is not helping anyone, especially their own cause. Our admin will keep posting what is relevant here.
Being a Buddhist or not does not seem to be taken seriously. We have refuge vows, karma and results whether we believe it or not. We don’t just throw those teachings out the window. Changing a label we are Buddhist or not does not turn off karma. If we are not a Buddhist ‘anymore’ this week, then why go on sites that are talking about Buddhist issues? LOL. Why do some speak with such authority on Buddhism when they are not a practitioner, scholar or even a believer? Then suddenly Tara helps. It’s all very confusing. I don’t know who any of these people are. My readers send me these screenshots all the time and my team finds it revealing to place it here. It shows the nature of people who attack Dorje Shugden practitioners online.
It seems no one is free from harassment. Even anti-Shugden people are harassed by other anti-Shugden people. When you don’t operate from good motivation, people start to turn on each other. Very strange yet entertaining. I’ve been told it’s just a few people going back and forth.
Another kind remark asking people who practice Shugden to go to h***. Why would you wish anyone that? Wouldn’t you wish compassion and love to all beings even your enemies? To love your enemies is divine.
Anti-Shugden people always use violent words and actions. I guess they are free from karma just because they don’t practice Shugden. At least that is what they believe. What educated, intelligent and worldly people would accept this type of behavior? Pure vulgarity, anger and hatred in the name of the Dalai Lama.
MESSAGES RECEIVED BY THE BLOG ADMIN
The messages below were received by the blog team along with the screenshot above. They were sent in by students and friends around the world who were shocked at the level of the people who can attack someone’s childhood which they had no control of.
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Rinpoche I thought you might like to see this. Some people online are making a joke out of your traumatic childhood as though it’s something funny. You were so young Rinpoche, how is it your fault that you had that childhood? Who would be so heartless to mock the sufferings of an innocent child? What does this have to do with practicing Shugden?
~ Wong Siew Yen
I thought Rinpoche’s childhood was known to everyone?? Incredible some people can talk as though they’re an authority on the person’s life and spend so much time criticizing them. Yet they don’t know the first thing about the person’s childhood. They don’t even know anything about you and they are attacking you. They have to take a break and research and then attack? 🙁 these people need help themselves perhaps?
~ Jennifer Cho
This is amazing. I didn’t realize it was okay these days for people to make fun of abusive childhoods. I’m sorry to hear Rinpoche has to be the target of people like this. It’s very hard for me to see compassion or Dharmic motivation when people do or say things like this. For some people who claim to have been in Buddhism or studied it for so long, their comments don’t match the paper qualifications they apparently possess. Whatever religion you claim to be or not be or changed, you should never poke at someone’s difficult childhood. This is something we must learn from and create better societies so that no child has to suffer all this. What cold and cruel people to bring someone’s painful childhood into someone’s religious beliefs. Very low attack. I guess anti-Shugden people really make their stance look bad.
~ Phil Hamby
I just saw something online that I don’t understand. Some people were making comments about Rinpoche’s childhood? Can one of you please explain to me what an abusive childhood has to do with Dorje Shugden practice?
~ Ng See Teng
I don’t think Rinpoche has to worry too much about people like these. These people will never have the power to bring down Dorje Shugden on an equal level to the way Rinpoche has the power to spread Dorje Shugden.
These people will disappear in time and no sane person will go on their page and read their evil rantings daily. Certainly once was enough for me. They will never gain momentum on their page because they do not talk with courtesy, logic and respect for another human. Even if the other human has a belief system we don’t agree with, we still have to show respect in our speech. Especially if we are ‘representing’ some religious belief system ourselves. They are an embarrassment to their beliefs, the Dalai Lama and spirituality. Their moderators should moderate and ask them to tone down.
~ Dominic Loh
This is clear further proof how much Dorje Shugden practitioners have to suffer discrimination, segregation and vulgarities on a daily basis. All religions are to be tolerated except people of the Shugden faith. How can that be? How can one group of people be singled out and discriminated against so openly and blatantly.
The Tibetan leadership must do something about this. Tweeters like this ‘Tibet_TW’ person has no identification or location or information about himself/herself. This is dangerous. It confirms they are being paid to create dissension, harm and schism on behalf of Tibetan leadership among the Shugden people perhaps? You think why do people tweet hate messages but their identification is always hidden. Very sinister perhaps.
Another one with no name, no personal information just sending negative tweets and cyber-spamming people all the time. Tibetan leadership is happy with this because they say nothing to curb this because it makes them look bad. Also who is this person to deem His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche respected or not respected? His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche is very respected, loved and very much admired by millions.
In Tibetan, the word “tsem” is an honorific term referring to the tooth relic of Lama Tsongkhapa. My previous life was a lama of Tsem Monastery, which had in their possession one such tooth, hence my name. Here an anti-Shugden person makes fun of something as holy as the tooth relic of Lama Tsongkhapa.
Universities and their affiliated bodies are institutions of learning and thinking. Staff therefore have a responsibility to remain impartial, and to encourage their students to consider new ideas and different points-of-view. Universities are not there to decide a student’s way of thinking. So although the teaching staff, professors and scholars may have their own preferences, opinions and thoughts on an issue, they should not take sides, at least not publicly and not using official channels. The university themselves should not be seen to favor one opinion over another, especially when they are responsible for forming the thoughts of thousands of impressionable people.
It is quite disappointing therefore to see this department of Columbia University taking sides in the Dorje Shugden issue. It has been heavily understood and rumoured that Professor Robert Thurman handles the tweets on this account. If Prof Thurman is taking sides, it is not very professional to associate the university’s official channels with personal views. We all have friends from various different backgrounds, histories and upbringings. Just because we are friends does not mean we always have to agree on everything or endorse everything each other does LOL
This Tibetan is actually truthful and admits to the ban and Shugden people being out casted. He even praises His Holiness for out casting Dorje Shugden people. That is incredible. Within the Tibetan communities we are all very aware of the ban but have been told not to say it obviously as it makes the Tibetan leadership or CTA look very bad. But this person tells you clearly of the ban and how Shugden people are ostracized.
Pro-Dalai Lama Tibetans and their supporters always engage in the use of the most vulgar language always. No dialogue, intelligent discussions or logical debates. Just pure vulgarity. Yet we are said to have freedom of religion. If there is freedom of religion why the constant verbal abuse and approved by Tibetan leadership? Does this represent His Holiness the Dalai Lama very well or the Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala.
Pro-Dalai Lama are vulgar and they have no limits of what they can say. Even they can use Guru Padmasambhava to degrade me. Amazing.
How incredible someone can say His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be ‘infuriated’. He talks negatively and makes His Holiness sound so angersome and temperamental. If I practice Shugden and the Dalai Lama will be ‘infuriated’, then something is wrong. I think this person’s view about the Dalai Lama and our practice is completely wrong and ignorant.
Now this is amazing. “If he keeps this up, his days in this incarnation will be numbered. In fact, if he’s not careful he may not see the end of the year.” Can you imagine anyone making a statement like this. After this horrible statement is made, then below you’ll see another person believes the Tibetan community will ignore this. But then again it is INSISTED that “There will be those who will take it as a personal affront and do something about it.” Very sinister. It will be a personal affront to them because I practice Shugden therefore I will not see the end of this year! I have to be careful. What does that mean? They are insisting I will not see the end of this year (2015). Is the person posting this intending to harm me? Or they know or heard something which makes them complicit to someone else intending to harm me? This is a crime.
This is what many Dorje Shugden practitioners have been saying, that they are spat upon, abused, threatened, biased against, beaten or threatened with their lives. Tibetan leadership says there is no violence against Dorje Shugden practitioners and this is not true. They want us to keep silent and accept the abuse and taunts and be persecuted for our faith but we will not remain silent. Where is the religious freedom? I want you to remember, all this abuse is just for practicing the faith of our choice. They are shocked I practice Shugden but not at all shocked when they threaten murder. We are talking killing. What kind of Buddhists are these people? What kind of people are these people? This type of talk has gone too far. This is exactly what the CTA or Tibetan leadership wants. When this is seen here, it is shameful for Tibetan leadership to allow and perpetuate this type of violence. If the CTA does not agree with this, these people here have gravely misrepresented the CTA then. Either way very shameful.
I am threatened in this manner only because I practice Dorje Shugden. Can you imagine in this day and age? You have judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one literally. If something should happen to me this person will be held responsible as they gave clear evidence by their post of their threats to my life. The people on this thread will be held complicit. People open up pages on social media to threaten other people’s lives. How can they allow or entertain this type of talk?? What kind of people will allow this type of talk? This is amazing and truly shocking. The moderators if any on this page and participants who allow this type of talk and threats and will be held responsible by association. If you don’t moderate this, then what type of moderator are you? Why do the participants participate in a crime to be? Many were outright angry and disgusted when they read this. How can other participants be involved in this type of talk? What can be worse than allowing threats to someone’s life? This is not freedom of speech but actual threats that must be taken seriously. I am glad I am recording everything here as evidence. If anything happens to me, it is all written here clearly. Everything is saved. No threat to anyone’s life should ever be taken lightly.
This monk is pleased with the death threats and is encouraging her to talk more.
What I practice is not anyone’s business. I don’t ask them to join me nor tag them nor post on their page. Why come to my page daily and extract my posts and then write all types of unpleasant comments, question my ancestry and threaten murder? Murder! Go and find other things to talk about. Stop talking negatively.
A monk can allow this type of talk on his post where they talk about killing me and I won’t see the rest of this year. How can a monk call me all types of names but allow the talk on murder in this page? How can a Buddhist monk allow this type of talk? Look at what others on this post are saying. They accuse me of not being Tibetan. If I was not Tibetan, why would I say I am Tibetan? What is so glamorous about being Tibetan? They call me Taiwanese as if it’s some sort of a racial put down. What does my race have to do with anything? What’s with the racist remarks? They know next to nothing about me, yet only criticize. I am not secret about my ancestry. It is all on my blog clearly.
Some say they know me. When they meet me once then they know me? I find it interesting how some of these people have met me once or never and seem to be able to be an authority on me, my life, works, intentions and ancestry. None of them know me. I wish so much their anger and other deep seated issues get resolved and stop threatening others’ lives. This is pure hatred. (Read here: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=63769 )
They can even criticize the money being used for the statues in my centre (which is none of their business. I do what I want) and that the money should be used to lessen the poverty in the exiled Tibetan communities. Am I the only one they attack for big statues just because I practice Shugden? Look below. If I am not Tibetan, then why is it I have to help the Tibetan exiled communities when there are many other refugees all over the world that need even more help? How do you know who I am helping and not helping? What is amazing is all these attacks and vicious talk is only because I practice Shugden. Amazing! I should be killed for this according to them. I should be killed for practicing Shugden but let’s not forget I have religious freedom and there is no ban? Does this make sense? I will not see the end of this year according to their threats. Their posts are getting more and more vicious and criminal now.
Why do people using a Tibetan flag consistently send tweet messages making highly racist remarks? Does this make the Dalai Lama followers, the Tibet cause and their religious discrimination campaign against Dorje Shugden followers look good or is it self-defeating?
Also these people have no names, no identities, no pictures or any hint of who they are doing this. If you are doing this, would you not put your face and name to it if you are 100% sure of your ‘just’ cause? I am Tibetan and among Tibetans it is talked about constantly that the Central Tibetan Administration (formerly known as Tibetan Government-in-Exile) in Dharamsala fund these people to do this. Why to degrade and enforce the Shugden unjust ban? I am told this by many.
How can a monk who goes on someone else’s page, force his opinions on others in a rude manner and then tell them to “SHUT YOU MOUTH”???
As a resident of the United States and therefore protected by American law, it is illegal to put people like Lungrik Palden on lists like these (http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden). These lists disrespect American values like freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
And ethically, is it right to identify people who are only peacefully exercising their freedom of speech and religion by treating them as though they are criminals?
This person says we can practice anyway meaning we can practice Dorje Shugden but just don’t show it on the street? Which we assume means don’t show it publicly. That would be strange if there is no restrictions or bans. Why not be open about it? Or the second scenario which is if you are on the streets, other Tibetans can hurt you, harm you physically if they know you are practicing Dorje Shugden. Tibetan Dorje Shugden practitioners get threats of violence all the time. It’s commonplace. So if we practice openly and we can be harmed, who started this? Of course the Tibetan leadership. They started the Dorje Shugden ban and incited the crowd against practitioners of Dorje Shugden. You see, it is simple – if the Tibetan leadership wants to stop all the threats and violence, they can do so by announcing that people should not do any harm due to religious differences. They can send strong messages by YouTube, on their websites, by Facebook, by their newspapers and by word-of-mouth. At the Dalai Lama’s public talks it can be announced. But it is not done so. Why? Because they want us to harmed? This speech was made by His Holiness to expel all Shugden monks. This was a very sad event indeed…
It is amazing how violent people are and always threaten pain, killing and murder just because your religion is different. People say that Dorje Shugden practitioners are free to practice. But I don’t agree. If they were free to practice, why are there death threats to Dorje Shugden practitioners daily? See the truth in these posts. Violent, hateful, spiteful. This is allowed by the Tibetan leadership? If so, why?
This person is an atheist. Yet she gets involved in the Shugden issue which is none of her business. No one goes on her social media wall or posts anything in her space, yet she comes to my space and post things that are racist and vulgar constantly. What I practice is NONE of her business yet she tells me I cannot practice and criticizes, harasses and constantly sends hate messages. Her messages are racist. She knows nothing of the Malaysian laws and religious order here. She knows nothing of the Bumiputra situation here and the laws that apply to them here about religion. Yet in her deep ignorance she can say why only Chinese are with me. Any Malaysian who reads this will understand what the Malaysian dynamics are. And she is vulgar. Why is she speaking against Shugden people, as this is none of her business.
Above are some remarks made about me that have been posted on an anti-Dorje Shugden Facebook group which my friends sent to me. They are comments about my appearance, my weight, my abilities or perceived lack of it. They even make fun of my childhood when I suffered from physical, mental and emotional abuse. What kind of people make fun of a person’s childhood, which they have no control over when they are a child? None of the comments have anything to do with the Shugden issue, or the division of the Tibetan community, or the schism in the sangha and the split of the monasteries. The comments do not address any of the issues at hand.
This is just one of many examples of rude, personal remarks that have been made about me. What is incredible is that I have never had any prolonged contact or close communication with these people. Most of them, I have never even met. Yet they can direct so much hatred and anger and vulgarities towards me. Are they really interested in the Dorje Shugden issue or do they have some kind of personal agenda that they are trying to promote? Or do they have some kind of deep-seated issues that they are having difficulties dealing with, so they project onto others and have to be vulgar towards them so they distract from themselves? It must be very tiring to be so hateful all the time, especially when the object of your hate (in this case, me) has never done anything to you directly, much less even met you.
This is how a monk who supports His Holiness the Dalai Lama speaks to other people, let alone Dorje Shugden practitioners.
From a Bhutanese who can write these types of things just because your faith is different
The image above, and the next four images below of these so-called signs are fake. They have been photoshopped from my original pleas which can be found here. The Tibetan leadership say we have religious freedom yet people like @snowlions continue with their behaviour, targeting me and my students with vulgar insults and accusations on a daily basis. If this type of harassment is the the consequence of my religious beliefs, then where is the religious freedom?
Another photoshopped image from @snowlions on Twitter. The original can be found here.
Is this the type of behaviour that the Tibetan leadership approves of? How come this anonymous @snowlions person can spend every single day on Twitter attacking me and photoshopping photos of me. The original plea I did to His Holiness the Dalai Lama can be found here.
Another photoshopped image. The original plea I did to His Holiness the Dalai Lama can be found here. If this is the result of our practice, then why does the Tibetan leadership insist we have religious freedom and there is no ban? Why would @snowlions photoshop images of me if there was no ban and my practice is not wrong, because I have religous freedom?
Another vulgar tweet targeted at one of my students with a photoshopped image of me. The original plea I did to His Holiness the Dalai Lama can be found here.
In this case, someone who is not even Buddhist recognises the vulgarities and disgusting, violent language that is directed at Dorje Shugden practitioners, and he sympathises. He even goes so far as to quote scripture from his own faith to defend Dorje Shugden practitioners.
This Facebook page advocates, agrees with and allows violence, hatred and death to people who do not agree with their religious stance. So those who pray to or wish to pray to Dorje Shugden are threatened and people are encouraged to kill them. This Facebook page and its participants advocate very strongly the killing of people who do not agree with their religious stance. This is not religious freedom; it is a crime. This is what Dorje Shugden practitioners have to deal with on a daily basis – degradation, hatred, and threats to their lives.
Look at this ‘interesting’ email sent to me. Just because I practice Dorje Shugden I get discriminated against. Many hurl abuses, hatred and send hate messages nearly daily. They say practicing Dorje Shugden is negative, but what they do to us is even more negative and does not justify their ‘spiritual’ evolution. These people do not even know me, never met me or have nothing to do with me. But just because I follow Dorje Shugden, my whole existence is defined by this to them and they deem I should suffer abuses. What is wrong if we practice the faith that we feel is right for us? Why do others have to interfere, judge or send abuse with the faith of my choice? But although we as Dorje Shugden practitioners are told we have the ‘freedom’ to practice Dorje Shugden, yet we are abused if we do. Ironic. Hence it would be good if the Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala spoke up about the unnecessary abuses towards Dorje Shugden Buddhists and bring peace to all Tibetan Buddhists by ending the unethical ban against the worship of Dorje Shugden. By ending the ban, the hatred towards Dorje Shugden practitioners will stop and the beginning of harmony starts. Doesn’t the Tibetan leadership want harmony? Doesn’t everyone want harmony? I do.
I grew up in Howell, New Jersey and the first temple I ever went to was Rashi Gempil Ling where I met my first guru His Eminence Kensur Lobsang Tharchin Rinpoche. It is the temple I attended as a child, where I received my refuge from Kensur Rinpoche, where I received my first initiation and attended many other spiritual events.
Now it is clear that I am not welcomed there because of my Dorje Shugden practice and works, and only because of this. This person writes very clearly that I am not and that my teachings are not held in high esteem for this. Whether or not my teachings are held in high esteem is not the issue here. The issue here is that I am not welcomed and viewed with disdain and to be avoided only because of my Dorje Shugden practice.
I have lost my relatives and friends in my hometown because of my practice of Dorje Shugden and fight for the ban to come down. When I post things on their Facebook pages, my comments are deleted. This person has confirmed that I have no hometown, no relatives, no childhood friends, no monastery, very little monastic friends, no country or countrymen because of my spiritual convictions. Only because of my spiritual convictions. I am taunted, unfriended and hated daily on Internet as you can see from all of the comments above (nearly 400 comments).
I have to take quite a lot to bring Dorje Shugden to others, but this will not make me give up my commitment to my guru, practice and Dorje Shugden which Kensur Rinpoche also relied on. Kensur Rinpoche received sogtae from His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche.
It is sad when all that I know, and I am familiar with and love are gone because of my religion and I didn’t do anything wrong.
The person who wrote this is a monk from Thrangu Monastery.
The monk from Thrangu Monastery who wrote the comment above.
The comment above was left on my Facebook. The person continued to post, write, berate my friends and make derogatory comments about our practice. Is this religious freedom?
This person has been in Dharma for around five decades, and to older practitioners his name is a recognizable one. According to some research that my students did, he is a former monk who studied under His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, Venerable Geshe Rabten, Venerable Lama Yeshe, Venerable Lama Zopa. Basically the greats of this modern century and all of them were Dorje Shugden lamas. Yet here he is after five decades of study, under Dorje Shugden lamas no less, with such a rude one-liner message. I have never met him before, never spoken to him before but somehow he feels he has the right to come to my page, make unsolicited remarks, tell me what to do and just generally be so rude. This is what happens when there is a ban against Dorje Shugden, people feel they have a right to treat others in this way. Very sad and disturbing.
Lately my students and I have been attacked by someone who is an American student of Tibetan Buddhism, and has been around for many years.
What I find incompatible is that this person makes a lot of money on his books which teach people how to develop compassion. Yet this is how he talks to my students who are not as senior as him. It is very unbecoming of him as a professor, and as someone who acts as though he represents His Holiness the Dalai Lama, to treat other people this way or speak to them in this manner. It’s a so-called senior practitioner’s responsibility to nurture the younger generation, to show them compassion and speak to them kindly but this person does not do this. Believe or don’t believe in what you like, but why spend so much time attacking someone else’s religious choices?
It is just amazing how this person attacks my person, my religion, my freedom, my space. I’ve never met him nor said anything online about him and yet he can presume to insult me day after day as well as my organization. In fact, I heard this is not the first time he has tried to organise discrimination against Dorje Shugden practitioners. I can’t comment on those other instances but seeing how he puts down my students and been very rude to them, I can imagine how it is possible he was doing that.
My religion and my spread of my religion is my business and it does not concern him and yet he is making it his concern. He brings down his position and he looks bad in the process of making me look bad.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people just want to control your life, your religion, your freedom, your worship and your free expression as a human. If there is no ban on Dorje Shugden then what is he fighting about? I’m amazed he can find the time to be putting other people down and attacking them on the Internet like this…but apparently there is no ban LOL
What is interesting is that I have never met him, spoken to him nor communicated with him. Yet it does not stop this person from making up baseless claims about me, just because I practise Dorje Shugden and he does not agree with it.
Why is someone of his standing and reputation writing things like this on the Internet? Again, I have never spoken to or met him, or even tagged him on social media. However, because he feels he has the Dalai Lama’s support, he supports the ban and he’s against my religious practice, he is therefore justified to make derogatory remarks about my personal faith which I have the religious freedom to believe in. Yes, I live in Malaysia and we have religious freedom here, thanks to the wonderful government. Because this person feels he has the Dalai Lama’s backing, somehow it gives him the right to direct racial slurs at me and my students, and to use the term ‘Chinese’ in a derogatory way. This is very, very wrong.
As you can see, the campaign against my religious beliefs has been ongoing and sustained for many months even though I have never communicated with this person. Why does he make these assumptions with no evidence or proof? Is this how a ‘professor’ of his standing behaves and talks about people online?
He keeps calling my religious belief a ‘cult’ even though there is no such evidence of this. I find it very disturbing and disappointing that someone who has been in the Buddhist scene for so long will write and talk like this online. He has no proof, no evidence and all he does is write against me, my students and our faith? All because he doesn’t agree with the Shugden practice? Here he insults one of my students as a fake account. It shows you this person makes accusations without proof or checking. And why can’t this lady, Yee Mun, have her own Twitter account? What gives this ‘professor’ the right to determine who is and isn’t allowed to have a Twitter account? Very, very strange.
If there is no religious ban, then why does he spend so much time online calling on people to report and block me? Surely if there is no ban, plus there is freedom of expression and freedom of speech, then I can post about whatever I want on my own Twitter feed LOL
It seems the only person engaging in any kind of harassment is this person who keeps tagging Twitter and its owner to take action against me, although I have never contacted him. Why is he trying to get them to take action against Shugden practitioners if there is no religious ban on our Dorje Shugden practice?
More accusations, once again made without any evidence. You can also see that he is trying very hard to alarm people about Dorje Shugden practitioners, using alarmist phrases like ‘cult’ and ‘fake news’. This person is also trying to get around Twitter rules because you can see that now he has stopped referring to me, my students or Kechara directly but he still continues to talk about Malaysia where we have religious freedom guaranteed by our government.
Again, no direct reference to me or Kechara because he is trying to manipulate Twitter’s rules, but everyone knows who he is talking about as he has been posting many tweets against me.
How does this person know this? What proof does he have to make such dangerous and irresponsible claims? He says things like this without evidence, in order to incite vulgarities and violence against Dorje Shugden practitioners in Malaysia.
None of my students have ever made the statements that this person claims us to be making. He’s presenting false information as the truth, in order to stir trouble against Dorje Shugden practitioners. It’s “interesting” because in the same tweet he says there is no ban, he is calling what we practise a ‘cult’. Why is it any of his concern what we practise if there is no ban? Why is it any of his concern what hashtags we use if there is no ban? Hashtags by the way, are publically owned so anyone has the right to use them however they want. He has never been to Malaysia, he does not know me, we have never spoken and he has never come to our organisation. Yet he posts these words as though they are fact. This is what the ban does to ‘professors’ like him who engage in behaviour that is very unbecoming of someone who is a supposed “Je Tsongkhapa scholar”. Would the great Tsongkhapa approve of the language he is using and the things he is saying which are without proof?
This person makes derogatory racist remarks towards one of Kechara’s pastors, Shin by calling her “fake pastor dumpling face”. Not only does the person insult her credentials, but they also insult her appearance by calling her a dumpling (meaning they find her, as a Chinese person, to be short, plump and white). What gives this person the right to insult Pastor Shin’s appearance, just because they do not agree with Pastor Shin’s religious practice or personal beliefs?
Again another racist remark is directed as Pastor Shin from the same person above, this time making fun of her language. Just because she practises Dorje Shugden and they do not agree with it, they insult the ancient and complex Chinese language as “duck’s quack quack language speaking from the nose”. Notice how they stay anonymous. You do not know who they are or who is behind these nasty racial slurs. They hide behind a nameless and faceless profile so that they can continue to attack people who practise Dorje Shugden.
The person makes yet another racist remark towards Pastor Shin, again insulting her appearance and calling her a momo (Tibetan dumpling that is popularly eaten in the Indian subcontinent). They also call Pastor Shin a cannibal. This person does not agree with Pastor Shin’s practice of Dorje Shugden so they exploit Twitter as a social media platform to direct abuse at Shugden practitioners.
The Tibetan writing reads “You are a Chinese barbarian, eat human meat, eat a mouthful of shit”. Just because they have written it in Tibetan, does it make it okay because fewer people can see the vile things that this person is writing? In actuality, they know that if they were to write things like this straightout in English, everyone would find their behaviour disgusting. So they have to hide it behind Tibetan writing and the fact they have to hide it shows you they know they are doing and saying something wrong.
More remarks about Pastor Shin’s appearance, calling her a ‘dumpling’ again and using the term ‘Chinese’ as an insult. It is racist to use someone’s ethnicity as a slur, but this person does it and thinks it’s okay for them to do so because they are on the ‘right’ side i.e. they support the Tibetan leadership against Dorje Shugden. Again, they are anonymous and hide so they can continue to attack.
A friend sent this tweet to me, asking what someone’s personal appearance has anything to do with their religious choice? In fact, the fact you comment on someone’s appearance is actually a reflection more of you than of me. It shows you what matters the most to you. What does someone’s size have to do with their personal and private faith, knowledge or qualities? Is this person saying that lamas like His Holiness the 10th Panchen Lama, His Holiness the 16th Karmapa, His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, His Holiness Kyabje Pabongka Dorjechang are all not “real tulkus”, on the basis of their appearance?
LOL okay so according to this person, we should not trust His Holiness the 16th Karmapa or His Holiness Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche because of their appearance. I guess that means only this person is right, and all the great lamas like His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche were wrong to have a relationship with the 16th Karmapa or Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche. This person is smarter than all of the high lamas put together, who chose to rely on His Holiness the 16th Karmapa and His Holiness Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche. This person is smarter than all the Gelug and Karma Kagyu monks, lamas and practitioners. Does this type of ignorant comment make sense to you?
When you insult someone’s personal appearance or credentials, it is because you have nothing to say about the content of their message. Who is this person and what are his or her credentials to attack Geshe-la? Did they study in the monastery for 20 years, were they ordained? They are anonymous and remain anonymous so that they can insult geshes like Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, and continue to attack him. But they never reveal themselves, which tells you either they have no qualifications to make such remarks, they know what they are doing is wrong so they don’t want to be openly identified with it or they don’t want to get in trouble for it. It can only be these few things as people who stand by the truth or have nothing to be ashamed of will do it openly.
Again, another remark about my personal appearance. Clearly personal appearance is very important to this person, otherwise they would never mention it. Since it is important, they are always focused on it and looking out for it, and that is why they always raise it, highlight it and use it to insult someone else. What they do not realise is that when they reduce their arguments to personal insults, it just goes to show they have nothing to say on the actual topic so they have to try this LOL
Daily my students and I receive vulgar, rude and hateful messages and comments because of our faith. This is another example of a comment from someone who says they are a monk. Is this the type of language a monk should be using?
In some lineages, “Khenpo” is the equivalent on a Geshe. But what kind of geshe uses language like this, and is so vulgar and rude to someone else just because of their personal choice of faith? My students and I receive abuse like this on a daily basis, and on top of that the person who is writing these comments is supposed to be a monk.
The fact people feel justified to make comments like this and discriminate against another person’s faith or choice of religion is because the Tibetan leadership have told them it is okay to be this vulgar and rude. Comments like this are proof that there is a ban against the practice of Dorje Shugden because the repercussions of not giving up the practice includes disgusting comments like this.
Why would a monk use language like this? It reflects badly on him and when others see such language, they may actually question why a monk is acting in this way and it might even cause them to think badly about Buddhism and monks. Very sad.
Just because this person does not agree with me and my student’s choice of practice, we are told to “go to hell”. Where is the religious freedom and tolerance?
One of my students received this message in response to her postings about Dorje Shugden. I am just so so shocked by this vulgar, disgusting language. How can anyone talk like this to anybody, let alone a nun-to-be? Even if you don’t agree with someone’s practice, no one has the right to speak to another person in this way and to use this type of language.
It is very sad that someone who works in a monastery will use language like this. It doesn’t matter what religion a person practices, or whether you agree with them or not. There is never a reason to talk to another person in this way.
This is how some people talk nowadays. Why do people use language like this? Even if you don’t agree with someone, there is never a reason to talk to anyone in this vulgar and disgusting way. The rudeness of this guy is beyond belief. It shows how strong the Tibetan leadership’s propaganda against Dorje Shugden is. How effective their propaganda is that it creates this type of hatred.
The vulgarities and rudeness does not stop. It’s really such a contradiction of terms to use “fxxxing” and “tulku” in the same sentence. A “tulku” is someone to respect…then you swear at them? What bad karma it accumulates. This guy’s parents would be so embarrassed to know their child swears at sangha.
Even if you don’t agree with something, there are other ways of expressing oneself respectfully. No need to be so rude and vulgar like this. The person who you are swearing to won’t be affected by what you say, so the only thing you accomplish is making yourself look bad.
So much rudeness and vulgar language. I hope he is not teaching his son to talk in this way to monks and nuns. Very sad, not a good example for his son and not a good representation for Bhutan that everyone knows this is how some lay people actually behave towards the sangha.
How can a supposedly educated person talk in this way? In most democratic countries, people who are in higher education can find other means of expressing themselves if they do not agree or they dislike something they see. There’s never any excuse to be rude, vulgar and disgusting like this.
What kind of person writes such rude things on people’s walls over and over again? If they don’t like it, they can go elsewhere and read other things. Why do they keep coming uninvited to another person’s wall to discriminate against their religion and pass hateful comments and remarks about other people’s faith? Is this how people in a democracy behave?
Sharon is an older lady and mother of two, and this is how this person addresses her. Just because she doesn’t share the same religious beliefs as him, he will swear at her and use vulgarities. We are taught to respect our elders in Asian societies. Since when has this kind of behaviour ever been acceptable?
Because we do not share the same religious beliefs, suddenly I practise a ‘sxxxxy deity’ and they are justified to call me a “Malaysian dog” which is very rude and racist. We have religious freedom in Malaysia, I can practise whatever I like.
This person who appears to be a monk says that Zhabdrung Rinpoche made a mistake because he practised Dorje Shugden. Drukpa Kagyu devotees believe that Zhabdrung Rinpoche is an emanation of Chenrezig, so why does this person say things like this? I don’t think it’s good to make these types of remarks which encourage religious disharmony. Monks definitely should encourage religious harmony and not criticize other lineage masters.
This person represents Bhutan so badly. Is this how someone talks to a mother of three young girls? Disgusting. I hope his parents never find out what type of son they have raised who uses such vulgar, horrible language against others, especially women.
The Tibetan government in exile gave many excuses of why they banned Dorje Shugden and sadly segregated their own people due to religion and until now the rift is not repaired breaking many families apart. Instead of embracing diversity, the Tibetan government in exile further the divide. They lost their country in the first place because of this. And they cannot get their country back for 60 years because of this narrow thinking.
I’ve posted beautiful Sufi devotional songs and immediately this person attacks and leaves something rude. This person has attacked my Dorje Shugden related posts on Facebook with many vulgarities many times. So when I post something he automatically assumes it is about Dorje Shugden without even checking. This is what the Tibetan government in exile wanted which is to attack all Shugden people. They spread the untruths and let the crowds ‘attack’. This is their modus operandi. They failed to get their country back and because of this, they need a scapegoat and blame Dorje Shugden for this to ‘buy’ more time at the cost of harmony within their people. Any democratic society will embrace diversity in religious faiths without question but not within Tibetan communities run by the Tibetan government in exile. So if you practice Dorje Shugden you are countering their wishes and therefore targetted. They encourage this targetting just like you see in this FB attack. It is the Tibetan government in exile who started the campaign against Dorje Shugden and they are the ones that spread the untruths regarding Shugden to incite the ‘crowd’ to attack if you refuse to give up and excercise your right to your choice of spirituality. Why should any leaders discourage or encourage any religion. That is biasm. No secular or spiritual leader in the modern 21st century should make any negative remarks about anyone’s religion because then once that starts, there is no end and it will escalate, making more disharmony in our small world. That’s how religious wars start. Give peace a chance already.
The Tibetan government in exile say they are democratic. But this is not democracy when they goad people on to attack you when you have a difference in opinion from their ‘official’ views even on religion. Why does any government interfere in their people’s religion if they claim to be democratic? No government or leader should have any views on religion, as this is a personal matter for the individual.
Give peace a chance,
Tsem Rinpoche
Look at how this person talks, and the kind of vulgar language that they use to address my students. Even if you don’t share the same beliefs, why do you need to swear at anyone else? And on top of that, what kind of person takes pride in such vulgarities and rude behaviour? Very disturbing and troubling.
According to this person, if someone practises Dorje Shugden, they are a “fake rinpochen” and their recognitions are invalidated. Since one of the lamas who recognised me was His Holiness the Dalai Lama, this person believes the Dalai Lama was wrong to recognise me. This person’s statement also does not make any sense because the Dalai Lama himself practised Dorje Shugden for 30 years and according to this person’s logic, His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself was a “fake rinpochen” for all those 30 years!
More vulgar swearwords from this person who appears to be a monk, just because they do not agree with my religious beliefs.
This person calls Dorje Shugden a “vampire”. If he’s really a so-called vampire, how come no one is able to vanquish or subdue him? Is this person implying that a so-called vampire is more powerful than all the lamas of Tibetan Buddhism?
I posted an image of my guru Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and this is how this person responds. Again, attacks and personal remarks are made about my appearance. How is that related to my posting, or my beliefs or my devotion to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche? And I am called derogatory names. Who taught them that speaking in such a manner is acceptable and correct? The only reason they feel that their behaviour is justified is because the Tibetan government have taught them that it is okay to treat other people in this way just because they practise Dorje Shugden.
This nun wishes I would die because I rely on Dorje Shugden. She wishes that I go to “Dorji Nyelwa” which is tantric hell. It is the deepest and darkest hell in the Buddhist belief, and she wishes I go there because of my practice of Dorje Shugden. Is this religious freedom? Is this how a nun should behave? Is this the type of thing a nun should wish on someone else?
This was posted on July 17, 2018 onto my Tsem Rinpoche Facebook Fanpage. In this post, a ‘Nyingmapa’ is calling me fake “zunma” and they as a Nyingma group have hired two black magicians to cast a spell against me to kill me within one week and send me to hell. They name the two magicians as Ngagpa Karma Lhundrub and Ngagpa Tashi Tobden. Because there is a Dorje Shugden next to Guru Rinpoche so this is a huge insult to them. Blind religious fantacisim leading to violence is in every religion. Those are the ones who don’t understand the essence of religion. You see, when you practise Guru Rinpoche you are supposed to become kind, compassionate, loving and very realised. But for some reason, these people became the opposite and have to curse and send magic to people because we don’t fit their world view. And the person threatening me calls himself a Rinpoche.
They don’t say they wish to kill me directly but saying they want to send me to hell within one week means the same thing. Or least threaten to send me to hell in the name of Guru Rinpoche. So sad; at the same time, you can see great amount of degeneracy already in their mind. Their curses, hatred and wishes for me to go to hell is contradictory to Buddhism. I send back prayers, love, care, concern, the blessings of Buddha to them.
Tsem Rinpoche
This is a comment that was left on my Facebook. The person is SURPRISED that I’m still alive just because I practise Dorje Shugden. This means that the threat IS very real and that people have definitely been killed for their practice. Is this religious freedom and democracy? What kind of religious freedom is there when someone risks death because of their beliefs?
Here is another comment that was sent privately to my Facebook telling me that my “days are numbered”.
This is how Dorje Shugden practitioners get threatened all the time. Pay a heavy “preis” (price) would mean what? You think.
Why is it any of Peljor’s business what Rinpoche practises? Why do Rinpoche’s personal choices have to be analysed to such a degree? Peljor is not a religious authority; he has no basis and he’s not qualified to analyse, surveil and scrutinise anyone’s personal choices unless he’s being paid to analyse and create trouble.
So who put Peljor in charge? He represents no organisation and he’s not been put in charge by anyone, so why is he doing all of this? WHY does he need to do this? He’s not a religious authority so what are his qualifications to do so? If there’s religious freedom, why does he need to highlight this at all? He is systematic in his surveillance and analysis, so does this stem from mere interest or is it more likely that someone paid him to do this?
In the Tibetan community, highlighting the Dorje Shugden issue which is not even relevant to the outside world, will incite violence against Rinpoche and invite discrimination, bias, segregation, hatred and insults because there is no religious freedom in the Tibetan community and their foreign supporters. You have to practise what is dictated by the exiled Tibetan government. So Peljor is attempting to discredit and destroy Rinpoche’s reputation by painting him as some kind of common criminal, even though there is nothing wrong or illegal about the practice of Dorje Shugden.
Rinpoche isn’t committing a crime by practising Dorje Shugden, so why do people have to be warned about Tsem Rinpoche when practising Dorje Shugden is not committing a crime? Unless it is some sort of organised campaign, orchestrated and funded to destroy people who do this practice. This sort of unprovoked defamation of another person’s character which leads to loss, doubt and pain is something that needs to be examined from a legal point of view and perhaps more. On social media platforms, there’s a difference between freedom of speech and expression, and defamation. So we will have to leave it to the proper authorities to check Tenzin Peljor’s online writing history to determine which one it is.
So why is someone who is supposed to be an ordained monk going by the name of Tenzin Peljor (aka Michael Jäckel), purposefully inciting violence and hatred towards Rinpoche? It does sound sinister but then what other outcome would they expect by vilifying someone due to their religion?
As you can see, it’s not just a one-off message that we receive. Several of my friends and people around the world I haven’t met have informed me about this issue and sent me multiple examples of the abuse against me and Dorje Shugden practitioners that they find. I am sent these screenshots and my admin people add them here as they come along to show everyone how unreasonable and hurtful the anti-Shugden people can be. They put you down, attack you and then turn around and say it’s for a good cause. The means doesn’t always justify the ends.
People now should be careful what they post on line about others. There is legal recourse now as the courts in UK have set powerful precedence for the world to follow. All negative, abusive, vulgar, repeated posts by others should be saved and consult legally what can be done. Those who have suffered in any way may seek legal advice. Even those who post defamatory remarks anonymously can be subpoenaed by the courts. Do read more: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=61867
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We will leave these comments here as proof of the viciousness of online attacks against Shugden people which can lead to violence against Shugden believers. We will add more as they come along for the world to see here. With the large readership this blog has, more and more people will see how dangerous and harmful these people can be. The more they write, the more they prove themselves harmful and dangerous. We thank all the people who have been sending these derogatory and degrading screenshots. It’s sad humans do this to other humans. We should respect even our ‘enemies’.
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Rinpoche was a model, but he became a model in order to spread DHARMA, to access people from different career. He was courage. He got critics by old-school lamas, said that he did not look like a lama, but he has faith for what he did. He had much painful experiences of being bullied because of his appearances in his childhood. It’s awful to see people still attacking his body with bad words nowadays. No one should feel shame because of their appearance, no one should be blame because who they are, no one should be degrade just because how they look like.
Most of those comments are hatred and harmful, there are no conscious discussions. People should aware what they are conveying instead of giving negative response. Debate with facts like how the lamas do, go deep to the topic and find solutions. Besides that, many reviewers have no identification or location or information about himself/herself is being irresponsible. The CTA or Tibetan leadership must do something to educate and stop this kind of violence. Only love can heal.
I like one of the reviewer said, “The pope did not declare what you practice or follow a ‘devil’ so you would be wise to follow suit.” Everyone can be enlightened, everyone is Buddha. People should not play along by the leaders, everyone has inner wisdom and deep down they know the truth. Does attacking each other help in our spiritual growth?
The ban of Dorje Shugden arises because they claimed that Shugden is a demonic practice and would harms the Dharma. But almost 2 decades, no one is able to show any evidences on how Dorje Shugden harm people.
Be mindful for every single words you speak, you have the wisdom. This problem may take time, but truth will always win. It was created by the Tibetan leadership, I hope they can solve it with peaceful dialogue as soon as possible. It’s glad to see some moderate approach in this article, I pray for world peace.
It makes me sad and indignant to see the innumerable abusive, unsubstantiated accusations and so on in the article. Endless discrimination and targeting are tiresome! Everyone has the right to pursue and choose their own religion. No one can influence your decision. For example, when your guru gives you this practice, can you refuse your guru? If so, does it not mean that you destroy the pure samaya between you and the guru?
Furthermore, about the ban on Dorje Shugden. Some people say that Dorje Shugden is a devil. He will harm Tibet and pose a threat to the Dalai Lama. So far, has anyone ever been hurt by Dorje Shugden? In fact, in 1959, the Dalai Lama was able to escape safely from Lhasa to India because he followed the escape route given to him by Dorje Shugden. Not only that, Dorje Shugden also helped other sentient beings who came to him for help. Dorje Shugden is regarded as the incarnation of Manjushri. So, as a Buddha, will he hurt all sentient beings? Buddha has great compassion. He will only give help to all sentient beings.
In this article, some people say Tsem Rinpoche is not the real Tulku, but have you checked the facts? Those people who recognised Rinpoche as Tulku are eminent monks, including His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Can you say the Dalai Lama is wrong?
No matter what religion, they always teach us to be compassionate, empathy, forgiving, tolerant and harmonious with others. No religion can teach us to separate others, criticize others’ religions, discriminate against others, etc. No one will do that! So why do the Dorje Shugden practitioners need to suffer such unfair and inhumane treatment? They just want to practice what they want to be loyal to.
May the ban on Dorje Shugden be lifted as soon as possible. In this way, Dorje Shugden practitioners would not live under constant threat and abuse anymore. May the world be at peace and all live in harmony.
Everyone in the world has the right to practice what one ‘s own religion, and beliefs. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. Its their choice and no one are above the law saying one should or should not pray to this and that. Our lama Rinpoche had been targeted all this years just because Rinpoche chose to continue practicing Dorje Shugden. Rinpoche had been abused online with all sorts of ugly words or so. Dorje Shugden ‘s practitioners been discriminated is really sad, just because one religious beliefs. NOT only that Rinpoche’s student too targeted using nasty words as well. Dorje Shugden is accused to be a evil spirit, they should checked and read the history and origin before commenting. Recently i did received nasty and disgusting comments too on my postings in FB. Who are they to comment , such a nonsense . Well they will soon have to swallow their own words.
Those Dorje Shugden practitioners are not allowed to participate in many events , denied service and so forth. Reading all the untrue and nonsense comments , felt sickening and shocking. As Buddhist we should respect each other and make peace , harmony not ‘war’.
Thank you for this sharing ,hopefully more are aware of what the ban on Dorje Shugden has caused. Enough is enough , may the ban soon be history.
Mantras are sacred verbalized words that invoke the protection and blessings of the deity to whom the mantra is ascribed. Mantras are also the manifestations of Buddhas in the form of ‘sounds’, hence the various mantras of Dorje Shugden contain the essence of the Protector.
Dorje Shugden’s main mantra 多杰雄登主要咒语
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for peace 平和咒语
For gaining attainments through the energy of Peaceful Shugden, peace of environment and mind, harmony in one’s abode and dwelling area, and calming of disasters
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SHANTI SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for health 福寿安康咒语
For long life, increasing life, healing of disease and protection from diseases
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA AYU SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for increase 增长咒语
For gaining great merits and increase of all necessary needs, both material and spiritual
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA PUNYE SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for control 控制咒语
Of worldly deities, negative people and nagas and for influencing friends towards the positive
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA WASHAM KURU HO
Dorje Shugden’s mantra to grant protection 庇护咒语
Visualize that you are in the Protector’s mandala, fully protected from outside interferences. Recite when in danger or for dangerous situations, for protection while travelling or when residing in dangerous/hostile places
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA RAKYA RAKYA HUNG
https://video.tsemtulku.com/videouploads/comment-1544345059.mp4
Dear friends,
Tibet has produced many powerful meditations, rituals and guidelines to help us gain spiritual protection, gain wisdom and higher states of consciousness. In general Tibet has produced many powerful methods for the growth of our spiritual evolution. Dorje Shugden is an angel, a saint, a powerful spiritual protector-warrior who originated 350 years ago when a highly awakened Tibetan Lama fulfilled his vows to become a special being to grant protection, wisdom, material needs, safety when travelling (normal and astral travel) and spiritual awakening. Both the Great 5th Dalai Lama and the current His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama composed short yet effective prayers to invoke upon the power and blessings of this special saint and protector. One can recite either one of the prayers that you feel suits you, anytime or even daily. When you feel a special need for help, you can recite either prayer anytime. When you are feeling down, afraid or just need a blessing, you can recite them. After reciting either invocation, it is good to chant the mantra of Dorje Shugden: Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha.
You do not have to be a Buddhist or practitioner of any religion to invoke upon the blessings and protection of this special enlightened and awakened angel Dorje Shugden. He helps all without discrimination or bias as he is filled with compassion and love. Divinity has no boundaries, they help all who call upon them.
Enclosed are the prayers in English, Chinese and Tibetan.
May you be safe, protected and blessed.
Tsem Rinpoche
More on the Great 5th Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden – https://bit.ly/2w7KHv6
More on H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden – https://bit.ly/2QdaL4n
Chapel (Trode Khangsar) built by the Great 5th Dalai Lama dedicated to Dorje Shugden in Lhasa – https://bit.ly/2zBTd8M
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亲爱的朋友们，
西藏产生了许多有助于我们得到精神庇佑、取得智慧和更高层次之觉悟的强大禅修法、仪式和教诲。总括来说，西藏产生了许多有助于我们在修行上取得提升的强有力方法。多杰雄登是一个天使，一位圣人和一名护法战士。他的崛起始于350年前，当一位高度觉悟的西藏高僧履行本身的承诺，化身为特别的护法，赐予我们守护、智慧、物质需要、出入平安（平日外游和神游时）和灵修上的觉醒。任何人都可以随时随地在任何时候念诵适合自己的祈愿文。当你需要特别的帮助时，你可以随时念诵任何一篇祈愿文。当你感到沮丧、恐惧或仅是需要加持时，你也可以持诵这些祈愿文。在念诵任何祈请文后，你应该接着念诵多杰雄登的心咒：嗡 班杂 维格 毗札那 娑哈 Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha。
要祈请多杰雄登这位特殊、觉悟和觉醒的天使赐予加持和庇佑，你无需是佛教徒或任何宗教的修行者。他总是没有分别或偏见，充满慈悲和慈爱地帮助一切众生。神圣是没有界限的，圣者会帮助有求于他的任何人。
以下附上英文、中文和藏文的祈愿文。
愿你平安，常受庇护和加持。
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Divination (‘mo’) Text by Dorje Shugden
This is an important divination (‘mo’) text composed by Dorje Shugden himself. Dorje Shugden took trance of the Choyang Dulzin oracle lama, the senior oracle of Gaden Shartse Monastery, and instantly on the spot composed this text within two hours.
The divination text contains information on how to use dice to do divination for the future and is known to be highly accurate. When practitioners use this text, they will be in direct contact with Dorje Shugden to get answers to questions about the future. It is for those who have good samaya with Dorje Shugden and are free of the eight worldly dharmas to be of benefit to others in divining the future.
Tsem Rinpoche
DS-MO-choyang.pdf
20 years ago the CTA issued a ban on Dorje Shugden practice saying it is a very harmful practice. They blame Dorje Shugden for sabotaging the free Tibet movement, shortening the Dalai Lama’s life and therefore everyone should stop the practice.
The ban has caused so much suffering to the Dorje Shugden followers. Families and friends are separated and they don’t talk to each other anymore. The Dorje Shugden monks are expelled from the monastery. There are signs put up in the shops, restaurants, hotels, etc. in the Tibetan settlement in India to stop Dorje Shugden followers from frequenting.
This segregation is not limited to the Tibetan community in India. It affects all the Dorje Shugden followers. Look at Tsem Rinpoche’s social media accounts, he is constantly being harassed just because he practices Dorje Shugden. The attackers often leave very abusive and vulgar comments on Tsem Rinpoche’s account. This is what a Dorje Shugden follower has to endure daily. The ban has created a lot of unnecessary tension and conflict, it has to be lifted as soon as possible.
Be blessed with these rare videos featuring explanation and advice about Dorje Shugden practice by His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche in his own voice. The teaching was requested by Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the earliest masters who taught Tibetan Buddhism in the West.
Video 1: H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche Explains Dorje Shugden Initiation and Benefits (With English Subtitles)
Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was an erudite scholar, ritual master and practitioner of the highest degree from Tibet. At the request of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the pioneers who taught Tibetan Buddhism in America, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche gives clear explanation and advice about the life-entrustment initiation of Dorje Shugden and how to go about the practice and get the maximum benefits in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzFMvlxAqtc&feature=youtu.be
Video 2: H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche speaks on the History and Lineage of Dorje Shugden (With English Subtitles)
In this video, an erudite scholar, ritual master and practitioner of the highest degree from Tibet, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche talks about the incarnation lineage of Dorje Shugden and how the practice arose, with examples of Dorje Shugden’s previous lives that reveal his powerful spiritual attainments and contributions. This very rare teaching was given at the request of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche’s student, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the pioneers who taught Buddhism in the West to many disciples since the 1970s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzKSJgK618&feature=youtu.be
For more information: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/kyabje-zong-rinpoches-advice-on-dorje-shugdens-practice.html
The religious divisions created by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) over the practice of the Buddhist Dharma protector Dorje Shugden is now creating division amongst Bhutan’s Buddhist populace. Though historically, Bhutanese have practised Dorje Shugden as evidenced by some of the country’s greatest spiritual leaders having composed prayers to the deity, recent leaders saw no other choice but to ban the practice themselves. Tibetans have sought to forcibly overtake the country throughout Bhutanese history, most notably in 1974 when the Dalai Lama’s own brother was implicated in a conspiracy to murder the then Bhutanese monarch. And since that time, the Bhutanese have been extremely wary of Tibetan interference within Bhutan’s internal affairs. In an effort to minimise the implications of the CTA’s ban on the practice creating divisions amongst their people, the Bhutanese government themselves banned the practice with Bhutan’s borders.
This however has far reaching spiritual implications given the country’s historical practice of Dorje Shugden, and while Bhutan’s leaders imposed the ban to secure social harmony, the CTA’s reach has created only disharmony as seen in comments by both a nun and monk who threaten the lives of Dorje Shugden practitioners online. The CTA have corrupted Bhutan’s spiritual integrity and created divisions which the country’s leaders had sought to avoid but to no avail.
His Holiness the 10th Panchen Lama
Tibetans commonly refer to His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and His Holiness 10th Panchen Lama as the “sun and moon” of Tibetan Buddhism. They are the center of Tibetan Buddhist civilization, which draws to its sphere of influence millions of non-Tibetan practitioners. The Panchen Lama’s incarnation line began with the 16th abbot of Tashi Lhunpo Monastery, Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen (1570 – 1662). He was bestowed the title of Panchen Lama by His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama after being declared as an emanation of Amitabha.
After being given the title, his three previous incarnations were posthumously also bestowed the title, making Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen the 4th Panchen Lama. He became a teacher to many Tibetans, Bhutanese and Mongolian religious figures, including His Holiness the 4th and 5th Dalai Lamas, and the 1st Jetsun Dampa of Mongolia. A prolific author, Chokyi Gyeltsen is credited with over a hundred compositions, including a number of commentaries and ritual texts that remain central in the Gelukpa tradition today. Along with his role as a teacher of the Dharma, the Panchen Lamas are usually responsible for the recognition of the rebirths of the Dalai Lamas, and vice versa.
The 10th Panchen Lama, Lobsang Trinley Lhundrub Chokyi Gyeltsen (19 February 1938 – 28 January 1989) continued both the spiritual and political roles of his predecessors. His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, his contemporary, was even heard to say and echo the Panchen Lama’s own words that the Dalai Lama would safeguard Tibet from the outside while the Panchen Lama would safeguard Tibet from the inside, as he never left Tibet after the political troubles of 1959. He was truly loved by the Tibetans, all the way until his passing. When he taught, thousands of people would attend, not only from his own Gelug lineage, but masters and practitioners from all traditions of Tibetan Buddhism.
At his sprawling monastery of Tashi Lhunpo, he has a special chapel specifically dedicated to Dorje Shugden, where prayers and rituals are performed on a daily basis. In his great omniscience the Panchen Lama held Dorje Shugden as the principal Dharma protector of the monastery. He also personally propitiated Dorje Shugden among other Dharma protectors, and even wrote extensive prayers and rituals to Dorje Shugden. These rituals and prayers are contained within his ‘sung bum’ or collected works, which are provided here. As such a great lama, with an erudite and clear understanding of the Buddhist scriptures, a teacher to millions in both Tibet and China, from an established incarnation line and an emanation of the Buddha Amitabha, he could not be mistaken about his practice of Dorje Shugden.
His Holiness 10th Panchen Lama is known for his composition of commentaries and practice texts that are still in use by contemporary Buddhist practitioners both in Tibet and across the world. One of these is a powerful ritual composition propitiating the compassionate Dorje Shugden.
Upon the request by Acharya Lobsang Jangchub to compose a shorter version of the prayer (sadhana) for the exhortation of activities of Dorje Shugden, Panchen Lama immediately composed an abbreviate form of Dorje Shugden’s Kangsol. This text is entitled “Manjunatha’s (Tsongkapa) Lineage protector Dorje Shugden and five forms wrathful propitiations and confessional prayers and fulfilment of activities rites” or “Melodious sound of Accomplishment of the Four Activities” for short. Once the prayers were completed, he had signs and strong feelings that Dorje Shugden has been working hard to protect the Buddhadharma in general and the lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa specifically.
Mirroring the abilities of one of his earlier incarnations, Khedrub Je, a disciple of Lama Tsongkhapa and master of both sutra and tantra, the Panchen Lama used his compositional skill and poetic prowess to create a masterful sadhana. Worthy of note is a praise in which the first letter of each verse is a Tibetan vowel. Such compositions are rarely seen, and have historically only been used when propitiating senior Dharma protectors such as Palden Lhamo and Kalarupa.
The Panchen Lama also stated that while composing the Dorje Shugden sadhana (prayers) he was filled with a sense of happiness and bliss. He ends the composition with not only his official title but his ordination name, Tenzin Trinley Jigme Choje Wangchuk, endorsing the validity of his work. He composed the sadhana in his own Tashi Lhunpo monastery while in the Hall of Clear Light and Bliss.
See the Panchen Lama’s writings and download: https://bit.ly/2KIfeXb
For the first time available, Dorje Shugden and his entourage of 32 assistants of his mandala.
Dorje Shugden is a powerful protector deity who is also an emanation of Manjushri, a wisdom bestowing Buddha. Therefore, he has great ability to help us to progress further on the spiritual path. He does this by helping us to overcome obstacles and problems for the modern individual.
Due to his enlightened nature, Dorje Shugden is able to manifest 32 deities and within the same abode resides Setrap and Kache Marpo:-
1. 5 Dorje Shugden families or emanations. They consists of the following:-
– Dulzin Dorje Shugden, which performs activities to eliminate inner and outer obstacles.
– Shize, which performs activities to pacify all illnesses and disease.
– Gyenze, which performs activities to increase all desirable material and spiritual wealth.
– Wangze, which performs activities to control difficult people and circumstances.
– Trakze, which performs activities to wrathfully eliminate all insurmountable obstacles and life-threatening situations.
2. 9 Mothers. They represent protection of the five senses and developing control of the four elements. These are all attributes that signify their ability to assist tantric practitioners with their higher meditations.
3. 8 Guiding Monks. They represent the Eight Great Bodhisattvas (Avalokiteshvara, Manjushri, Vajrapani, Samantabhadra, Maitreya, Kshitigarbha, Akashagarbha, Sarva-nivarana-viskambini) and they bring about the growth of the Dharma, through the Sangha, Dharma practitioners and Dharma establishments.
4. 10 Youthful & Wrathful Attendants. They represent the ten wrathful attendants to avert inner and outer obstacles. They are beings who are from Mongolia, China, Kashmir, India, Bengali, etc.
5. Setrap. He is a senior Dharma Protector from India and an emanation of Amitabha Buddha. He had enthroned Dorje Shugden as an authentic Dharma Protector. Therefore, he also resides within the same mandala of Dorje Shugden.
6. Kache Marpo. He is not an emanation of Dorje Shugden but he is still an enlightened Dharma Protector in his own right. He was originally known as Tsiu Marpo of Samye Monastery. However, he has placed himself under the service of Dorje Shugden as his chief minister, performing many activities in order to protect and benefit practitioners. Therefore, he stands guard at the main entrance of Dorje Shugden’s mandala. He often takes trance of qualified mediums to speak.
7. Namkar Barzin. He is the reincarnation of an old Mongolian monk and when he passed away in Phari area of Tibet, his spirit was placed as a powerful assistant of Dorje Shugden. He guards and protects buildings and great institutions especially those that benefit others. He rides on a mythical Gyaling animal that resembles a goat but with scales.
These sacred images are available on *Vajrasecrets. They are made of high quality alloy and are one of a kind. They are based on the lineage of His Holiness Panchen Rinpoche’s monastery, Tashilhunpo in Shigatse, Tibet. In fact, the iconography of these statues are based on detailed photographs taken by H. E. Tsem Rinpoche during a trip to Tashilhunpo’s protector chapel. These are based exactly as the 10th Panchen Lama’s personal collection.
Dorje Shugden mandala: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=131570
Dorje Shugden’s benefit and practice: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=62422
Dorje Shugden’s origins: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=106424
Dorje Shugden chapel in His Holiness Panchen Rinpoche’s Tashilhunpo Monastery in Tibet: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=68698
*Stand not included
Sakya tradition’s thangka of Dorje Shugden sitting on a throne within his palace with his four emanations and high Sakya Lamas nearby. Tsem Rinpoche
Antique Pelden Lhamo thangka with sacred Dorje Shugden at the bottom right. Can see Tsongkapa and Guru Rinpoche on the top also. Beautiful and holy.
Reading half way through those comments, found its sickening why and what those readers wrote . Why are they so rude and without investigating the truth before writing. Its hurts to read , those indecent words used. Not right to comment on someone blog. Being a Buddhist we are supposed to show tolerance, compassion and not specking against other beliefs , create disagreement and disharmony . Every of us have the right, freedom to choose any religion and Guru , and for most what we like to pray to. They should be ashamed of themselves when commenting using all those indecent words or what ever they can use to create problems. Not only that why hide and never reveal who they are. If they dare to write , they should dare to reveal. All this while Rinpoche has been very patience and tolerance with all those online attackers. They will be held responsible by their own action in time to come. Time will tell the truth and they have to swollen their words. Please respect each individual choice of religion and beliefs, Due to Rinpoche’s kindness and compassion many of us and around the globe has benefited from learning and practicing through Rinpoche blog. Rinpoche have since changed the lives of many of us. I am one of them from stretch to something . We are so fortunate to meet our Guru and we will never abandon our Guru nor matter what happened.
Thank you Rinpoche and blog team for compiling all those comments here as proof of the viciousness of online attacks against Shugden people.
Everyone has rights to practise what they like. Those who practise witchcraft has their rights to practise but they are not allowed to voice out their concerns, fearing to be treated differently just like most Dorje Shugden people.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516798931.mp4
In this video, a nice couple is being targeted and attacked just because they are pagan faith. They are Wiccan and the nice lady is a practising elemental witch, but they are being perceived to be bad people and hurting children, although none of that is true and they are being attacked for their faith. This is also another example of what Dorje Shugden people go through especially in Dharamsala, India because the Tibetan Leadership has put a notice on their official site stating that Shugden practitioners are bad and demon worshippers which is completely untrue. Hence, daily Shugden practitioners are being persecuted and if you are not there in Dharamsala, you get online abuse like what H.E. Tsem Rinpoche receives daily as well as myself and other Kecharians who are openly practising what our Guru gave us.
Is this kind of discrimination and violence acceptable in this day and age when there is religious freedom? Why are these people allowed to do this crime? Why is the Tibetan Leadership acting like a dictatorship and attacking others of a different faith? They do it indirectly and encourage this hatred because they do nothing, say nothing and have a page talking against Shugden on their official website. That is a clear indication there is a ban and discrimination against Shugden people.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516798075.mp4
In this video is a police officer being discriminated for his Wiccan religion and he is going to sue the state because he was told it was mandatory for him to attend a Christian gathering. There is supposed to be freedom of religion, so why is it okay for a group of people to force other people to join, pray and believe their religion? And what gives them the authority to tell people what to believe or not to believe in? This is exactly the same question I ask the Tibetan Leadership and those who come on our social media wall to abuse us and call us names and vulgarities because we practice Dorje Shugden. Watch what the guy says in the video.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516798026.mp4
I’ve just attached a video here on a lady reading about “the Persecution of Women in Witchcraft”. It is stated that in the early 16th century there was a mass execution of witchcraft. In the year 1515 in Geneva Switzerland, they burned 500 witches at the stake.
In 1526, 1000 witches in Italy were executed. In 1571 witch hunt spreads across France.
In total it is estimated from 1500 – 1600, there were 50 – 80,000 suspected witches executed. Religious persecution in any way is wrong, look at how many lives were taken because people decide to discriminate on others and persecute them just because they do not follow your belief system. This is exactly what Dorje Shugden practitioners are facing today as well when the Tibetan leadership keeps on harping and silently encouraging their people to discriminate and ostracised Shugden practitioners which we can see from all the above online abuse. Is this okay in this 21st century, is this what H.H. the Dalai Lama advocates – religious tolerance? I think not.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516797992.mp4
Taken away the rights to purchase items for witchcraft is the same as burning the witch for practising their religion. It is just a manifestation of different types of witch hunt and banning the sale of certain items is the same as stopping them from practising a certain ritual that is the same as taking their rights away. This scenario is the same as what Dorje Shugden people face also.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516798088.mp4
Despite the founding fathers’ effort to give Americans religious freedom, the Wiccans and Pagans are denied their right, such as to have Chaplains to perform ceremonies, receiving books and materials and so on in prison. It is not fair and this is the kind of discrimination Dorje Shugden practitioners faces. Tibetans in exile are supposed to be ruled under democracy, but they are denied their rights of religious freedom. This is not fair.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516797960.mp4
This is another example of religious discrimination. Wicca was accused to be related to Satan, which is not true. Wiccans are being rejected from being able to participate in the governmental system as they are not a member of the mainstream Judeo-Christian religion.Similarly, Dorje Shugden is accused to be a demon/ evil spirit, and that Shugden practitioners are not allowed to participate in the system – they cannot work in governmental jobs, they are denied travel documents, they are not denied medical treatment, and the members of the public are advised to not be associated with them.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516797909.mp4
This video shows how Christians in Nigeria face enormous persecution, similar to what Dorje Shugden people are facing.Just like what Bishop Mike Moses said in the video, they are being persecuted “in your own country, your own community”, and that’s worse than being persecuted by others.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516797726.mp4
This is another proof of discrimination that is similar to Dorje Shugden people. The witchcraft people do not get to purchase their religious practise items online because there is no law that protects their rights on what they can purchase and what not they cannot.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516797979.mp4
Pagan man talks about freedom of religion choices
Religious freedom should be applicable to all including Pagan practitioners and atheists
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516796937.mp4
This man’s dilemma is similar to what Dorje Shugden practitioners are experiencing. Even if the Dalai Lama has discouraged Dorje Shugden practice, those who choose to retain their practice should still have the right to do so without being penalized, without being discriminated, abused, attacked and harassed day in day out. Religious Freedom is every human’s right and should be respected, when the Tibetan Leadership stay silent when Shugden practitioners are being attacked, it is clear they condone it. So how can Tibetan Leadership claim to be democratic when they are not and how can they point the finger and blame others for human right abuse when they do so themselves with their very own people? Illogical, injustice and unacceptable in this day and age!
Oklahoma Pagan suffer Discrimination
A lady witch suffers discrimination after being found out that she is a witch.
Uploaded: https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516796905.mp4
This is similar to what Dorje Shugden practitioners are experiencing in Tibetan settlements. Once they are found out that they are a Dorje Shugden practitioner, they would be a target for discrimination (e.g., denied service in the public places), some even target attacked. And if you are not in Dharamsala, you will be targeted and attacked online with vulgarities and all kinds of derogatory slurs.
In 2005, a large number of protestors crashed the Messianic Jews Christmas eve celebration and told them to go back to Gaza.
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1516796866.mp4
Any form of discrimination is wrong and should be discouraged and stopped. How can we discriminate people base on their religion, just because we dislike their religion? This is pure prejudice and hatred, so how can this be considered good and right for those executing such persecution? And this is exactly the same mentality the Tibetan Leadership has and encourage their people to attack Shugden practitioners. This is the kind of hatred that cause division, war, and suffering. How can one religion claim to be better than the other in the name of “God”? How can this be considered compassion?
Great message every Tibetan especially must read!
This is a powerful picture of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, Kensur Kyabje Lati Rinpoche and the current incarnation of Trijang Rinpoche meeting together in the year 2000 when Trijang Rinpoche was 18. All three lamas are Dorje Shugden practitioners. In fact Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen was the one that first encouraged my practice of Dorje Shugden when I was 16 years old when I joined his beautiful Thubten Dhargye Ling centre in Los Angeles. I lived with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen for 8 years before proceeding to Gaden Monastery in South India. Later Kyabje Zong Rinpoche came to our Los Angeles centre and granted sogtae (permission ceremony) to practice Dorje Shugden for life as requested by Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen had tremendous faith in Trijang Rinpoche. Kyabje Lati Rinpoche was innovative, dedicated and very much focused on bringing dharma to many. He had tremendous faith in Dorje Shugden as I had the honour to meet him many times. He would seek advice from Dorje Shugden many times via the oracle of Gaden Monastery. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen and Kensur Kyabje Lati Rinpoche have since passed away while the current Trijang Rinpoche is a perfect lineage holder and practitioner of Dharma while he keeps Dorje Shugden as his personal protector as he has done so for many lifetimes. This is a powerful and beautiful picture of three great lamas of Buddha’s lineage and also of Gaden Monastery.
~Tsem Rinpoche
Dear Rinpoche ? , i believe you are a very kind, compassionate and really carrying teacher! Your teachings helped me lots,and still visiting your blog, every time I learn something new. I’m not a shugden practitioner, but I admire great people like you who strive for the wellbeing of others and inspires many to become better humans. With all my love and respect to You! Thank You!❤ Chrissa
Dear Chrissa,
Thank you for sharing your message to H.E. Tsem Rinpoche. I rejoice that Rinpoche’s teaching and the blog has helped you a lot. Which categories or posts do you usually read?
There is a new section on the blog, “Messages from Rinpoche”, which you can find at the bottom of any blog page. You can access it directly via this link to see what Rinpoche shares: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/#messages-from-rinpoche
Feel free to drop by blog chat: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/chat. This is where we have a few scheduled live chat sessions weekly to discuss articles/ topics on the blog.
Look forward to see you again on the blog.
The hate remarks and comments are so vicious, abusive, vulgar and insulting that we are left to wonder if their authors are truly Buddhists.Would real Buddhists write them? Most of these remarks come from supporters of HH the Dalai Lama and yet it is difficult to imagine that the Dalai Lama would approve of them.HH Dalai himself has been consistently respectful of others in his speech. The same goes for other High Lamas.
Furthermore, it goes without say that other Great Masters are possessed of the same level of wisdom as HH Dalai Lama. If they have seen it fit to practice Shugden for 400 years, and their incarnations continue to return to carry on their Lineage practices, including the Shugden practice, then there is no denying that the practice is correct.
It is grossly unfair that Tsem Rinpoche has been most viciously attacked and much maligned. All the lies and fabrications about him and about his students that continue to be circulated, do not hold water at all. All this needless attack is all because he practices Shugden, a practice given to him by is root Guru. It is high time to rectify the situation!
Some of these kinds of hate mail were from a couple of years back. I wonder if those same people are still at it up until today. If they are, they should go get a life. It takes a huge toll on the minds and bodies of people who hate so much for so long. I feel really sorry for them. Their F-bombs don’t faze me much these days. They are just so tired. I used to have a laugh or two out of them but now they are kind of so boring….yawn.
I am really shocked to see how the followers of the Dalai Lama treat others. The followers of the Dalai Lama think that they are good Buddhist, but judging by their behaviour it seems more like they worship Satan.
As far as I know the never promoted any form of violence or hate instead he encouraged us to have loving compassion for all (including our enemies), but here we have a bunch of people who claim that they are the real Buddhist insulting others whom they call devil worshippers if they are real Buddhist they won’t call others names, instead they would find peaceful ways to get around the problem.
For over three hundred years hundreds of monks and lay people worshipped Dorje Shugden, many of the monks who practiced Dorje Shugden were high Lamas and some would later become the Dalai Lama’s teachers. Since the Dalai Lama says that all Shugden lamas are wrong, doesn’t that mean that he is wrong? After all he was taught by great Dorje Shugden masters.
I really hope that all the negativity and conflict can end soon without further ado.
Reading all these negative, vulgar, rude comments made my stomach cramped and highly disturbed. Feeling uncomfortable and disturbed because of the way Buddhists and followers of the King of Buddhist conduct themselves online, which left little room to imagine how they are in person, definitely not kind and generous. They are the direct opposite of what Dalai Lama taught us, to be compassion and to be kind, to accept everyone even if the other person is our enemy.
The Buddha and His Holiness taught about virtues so that everyone can live in harmony with everyone else, but these people who claim to be his followers ignore the teaching. When the followers spread hate, vulgarity and lie in the name of His Holiness, will this not soil Dalai Lama and the good name of Buddha Dharma? When people who are new to Buddhism and wish to learn more find out about these vulgarities, names calling, lies, will they not think of Buddhism as an extremist religion? Will they not turn away from Buddhism?
When a student did something wrong, the Lama will point it out and correct the person. I still remember very clearly how my Guru specifically tells us to be respectful to all Lamas whether they are from the same lineage or not, and be kind and be humble to everyone, also to our guards and helpers, and not to be rude whether online or in person. Hence, I am a firm believer in the adage “Silence means Consent,” which applies to the leaderships and the lamas whose followers are violently attacking Shugdenpa online.
The world will be truly a better place when the preacher of the religion walk the talk. I pray that there come a day when His Holiness read all these vulgar and rude comments from his followers and he will say something and stop all these angst.
Dear Rinpoche,
I am totally blown off and left aghast at all the needless vicious attacks, condemnation, utter hate, compassionless, uncultured, and baseless accusations hurled out from supposed Buddhists and perhaps lay Buddhists.
I really wonder where is the wisdom, bodhicitta and love for all have gone to with the “Buddhists” that have posted all these remarks on-line? Totally speechless.
However, I know that from the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion, one must endure all to forge a clean samaya until one’s enlightenment.
Whatever the situation may become, we, as your students, will stand in the line of fire and protect (even at the cost of our lives) the lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa, which you have always protected and will continue to do so until all samsaric beings have been liberated.
Humbly yours,
Lum Kok Luen
Comments such as this one left by ‘Suzy in Hawaii’ on Tsem Rinpoche’s YouTube channel is becoming common. After demonizing Dorje Shugden for twenty years, the Tibetan leadership is fast losing its supporters to logic and better information. In this comment Suzy writes honestly how she held on her jaundiced view of Shugden only because the words of the Dalai Lama colored her judgement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl-4lIwxph4&t=11s
Trode Khangsar Chapel in Lhasa, TibetOver 400 years ago a great and learned lama Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen was famed in Mongolia, Tibet, Nepal and China for being very saintly and compassionate. He resided in his residence (Zimkhang Gongma Ladrang) in Drepung Monastery. His root guru was H.H. the Omniscient 4th Panchen Lama and his close dharma brother was the 5th Dalai Lama.
The 5th Dalai Lama and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen had a very close and dharmic relationship and often went to receive teachings together from the 4th Panchen Lama. They were close in age. They both became very learned and well known. During this time, the Dalai Lama was enthroned as a Dharma King of Tibet. But more people went to see Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen for teachings, initiations and divinations. This made the attendants of the 5th Dalai Lama feel threatened that Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s fame might usurp the power of the 5th Dalai Lama. So they had a khata forced down his throat. At that moment, Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen dissolved his psychic winds and generated the wish to be a great guardian of Buddha and Tsongkapa’s teachings. As his consciousness dissolved, he entered ‘bardo’ as a dharma protector of the highest order (jikten depey sungma). Many signs were seen throughout Lhasa at this time and the earth was said to have shaken in Lhasa. This event was already predicted to Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s previous incarnation when he was one of the 8 main disciples of Lord Tsongkapa the Supreme Master and he served Tsongkapa directly by building Gaden Monastery.
When the 5th Dalai Lama heard what his scheming and power-hungry attendants had done, he was very distressed. He was very sorry Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen was murdered and dishonored as he was a great dharma master. The 5th Dalai Lama composed an apology to Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen. In Lhasa, tens of thousands gathered for the cremation of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s holy body. During the cremation, the 5th Dalai Lama’s apology was read out at which flames spontaneously arose from the body of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen commencing the cremation. From the body, during cremation, a powerful whirlwind of smoke tunneled into the sky for all to see as this was an indication Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s consciousness has arisen as the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden. The Dharma Protector Setrap immediately recognized this new protector Dorje Shugden and ‘enthroned’ him as a powerful Dharma Protector in the realm of the Buddhas. From this, Setrap and Dorje Shugden are closely connected and very close working hand in hand always. After the cremation, the great 5th Dalai Lama built a Dorje Shugden chapel on the spot the cremation took place and named it Trode Khangsar. The 5th Dalai Lama commissioned the statue of Dorje Shugden in this chapel and had monks installed in the chapel to do continuous propitiations to Dorje Shugden. Trode Khangsar Chapel was a commemoration to Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen who was wronged and also a celebration of his consciousness arising as the World Peace Peace Protector Dorje Shugden.
This Trode Khangsar Chapel still exists now in Lhasa where many make pilgrimages there. It is in good condition and was recently renovated. It is over 400 years old and a testimony to the respect the Great 5th Dalai Lama had to Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen who arose as Dorje Shugden.
I have visited this holy chapel in Lhasa years back. I’ve never heard of it till I was in Lhasa and by chance, I was told about it which I was happy to visit. I could not find the place but strangely a bunch of pilgrims from Amdo told me they would show me how to get there in Lhasa.
This short video is a short clip of this holy Trode Khangsar Chapel in Lhasa today commemorating Dorje Shugden, built by the great 5th Dalai Lama. The great 5th Dalai Lama even composed a prayer to Dorje Shugden which is still available today and we can recite to invoke the blessings, protection, and assistance of World Peace Protector Dorje Shugden.
Tsem Rinpoche
Read more: Trode Khangsar – A 400-year-old Dorje Shugden Chapel in Lhasa
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/trode-khangsar-%E2%80%93-a-400-year-old-dorje-shugden-chapel-in-lhasa.html
Short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTybDwTeLAM
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The 5th Dalai Lama’s Prayer to Dorje ShugdenHUM
Though unmoving from the sphere of primordial spontaneity,
With wrathful turbulent power, swifter than lightning,
Endowed with heroic courage to judge good and bad,
I invite you with faith, please come to this place!
Robes of a monk, crown adorned with rhinoceros leather hat,
Right hand holds ornate club, left holds a human heart,
Riding various mounts such as nagas and garudas,
Who subdues the mamos of the charnel grounds, praise to you!
Samaya substances, offerings and torma, outer, inner and secret,
Favourite visual offerings and various objects are arranged.
Although, previously, my wishes were a bit dense,
Do not stop your powerful apparitions, I reveal and confess!
Now respectfully praising with body, speech, and mind,
For us, the masters, disciples, benefactors and entourages,
Provide the good and avert the bad!
Bring increase like the waxing moon in spiritual and temporal realms!
Moreover, swiftly accomplishing all wishes,
According to our prayers, bestow the supreme effortlessly!
And like the jewel that bestows all wishes,
Always protect us with the Three Jewels!
From: http://www.dorjeshugden.org/practice/the-5th-dalai-lamas-prayer-to-dorje-shugden
Tibetan prayer from: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-14th-dalai-lamas-prayer-to-dorje-shugden.html
I really hope these hatred,threats and name calling would end as quickly as possible.Its really frustrating,stressful and frightening to get this around social media and not knowing who is behind it. I have been called names linking to Rinpoche. Poor us, really embarrassing and humiliating.
Nice to know Patricia Snodgrass, Wong Kok Chung (Joey Wong) and Carol McQuire are in contact. All those nasties on Tsem Rinpoche, guess now we know who directed Carol and her “friends”‘s attention to him with all those fake stories. The violence and vulgarities against Tsem Rinpoche, now there’s proof who was the source of it.
Did I say ‘new victim’? I meant target! Lucky Sogyal Rinpoche to get all of this art done about him, fab work Carol!
Looks like Carol McQuire and Linda Ciardiello have a new victim heeeheee
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HH the 25th Tsem Rinpoche you are the gelukpa linage holder you did a great job. There are always people that hate on the ones who do well they are just jealous of your success. The words that the dalia lama followers are using are horrible. Does dalia lama teach to curse at other lamas shame on you guys. You should be ashamed because we Tibetans should be united as one to fight against Chinese government for our freedom rather than creating disputes within our own community . Even if Dorjee shugden is God or devil it’s none of ur business , if he is God people like us will follow him .U shouldn’t blame others eating Chinese money , we never said we don’t want freedom for country rather freedom to follow our own religion and God. Dalia lama is now 80 years old and he’s living in India you guys should work on getting him to Tibet. You guys can’t do this one job so all that comes out of your mouth is bad things to say about dorge shugden. You don’t have to waste your time taking bad about dorge shugden and dorge shugden followers you will not gain anything from doing this. Dorge shugden followers are all around the world there are now more people following and there will be more to come.
It’s very sad to read all these unspeakable language from so called buddhist practitioners. They have thrown away their practice of Buddhism of body, speech and mind.
Thank you for having the strength, courage and genuine care to stand up and speak peacefully for what you believe in. No one should ever suffer, be segregated, assaulted, hurt, degraded, belittled, cursed, hated and biased for their religious beliefs. No one should advise anyone against any religious belief. If we want to find people who hate a certain religion, we can find plenty. If we want to find people who like a certain religion or form of spirituality, there will be plenty. In the end who is right and wrong? Which religion is right or wrong. All or some or none? Therefore it is more logical to respect all religions, all faiths and all forms of spirituality. In history many have exploited religion for selfish purposes and many have not. As long as I have not, that is all that matters. I cannot and will not speak for others of my faith and what their motive is, but I know my motive. No one and no leader and no religious leader should ever hurt, segregate or speak against another religion. Time for peace. Time for harmony. Time for respect. Time to look beyond mine/your religion and be kind. Be kind to everyone. Never put anyone down because of their religion.
Humbly,
Tsem Rinpoche.
P.S. I wish very much the people from His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s views/side and people from the side of Dorje Shugden practitioners meet very soon. May they meet in peace, with kindness in the hearts and good motivation to solve this issue once and for all. We have to solve this through peaceful dialogue. I never protested against His Holiness Dalai Lama nor spoke harshly against his views ever. I have always respected his and everyone’s views. We all have to live on this earth together. You will not accept my way of spirituality and I will not accept your’s and that is okay. But we must respect each other’s spiritual faith and NEVER criticize or advise against it. We must respect also what we don’t accept. Everyone has their way. Advising against another’s religion/faith/spirituality creates so much disharmony. No more disharmony. It’s been 19 years since the ban against Dorje Shugden started. It must end please. We have so many things to argue about in this world, let’s make one less conflict. I wish this conflict to end peacefully soon. I wish His Holiness the Dalai Lama and supporters can open channels of communication and solve this issue soon. Peaceful dialogue please and soon. Thank you.
So much filth here, I have not even read all, character assassination, muddy and very derogatory. I am surprised H.E. Tsem Rinpoche entertained these lowly educated so called Buddhist. All that have been written and posted need not require an intelligent mind to summarised the intended nature of its contents. It is reflective of the teachings they have embraced and accepted into their life. I would not allowed myself to be at their level. God help them.
When people have nothing to say that’s logical about a person’s choices, they attack them personally. They criticise their weight, their appearance, their mannerisms, their education, their childhood, etc.
But you know, doing this reflects more about you than the person you’re criticising or insulting. It shows that you think bringing up those aspects about a person will have an impact; indirectly, it demonstrates what YOU are most sensitive about when it comes to yourself.
It shows that you don’t have the knowledge necessary to engage in a debate on the topic itself, and that you need to stoop to attacking a person’s character in order to demean them, so their points look less attractive. People who are smarter will see through this; people who are not as smart will buddy up with you, encourage you and even participate in it. But they forget that the truth isn’t always what the majority goes with, or what the most famous person tells you is correct, or what is politically correct at the time. So going along with the crowd doesn’t always make you right or the best.
I think it’s sad that so many people feel the need to insult Rinpoche and other Dorje Shugden lamas in this manner, because it shows that they don’t know anything about Dorje Shugden and they are supporting the ban for the sake of it. If they were supporting the ban because there was actually a good reason to do so, they would bring up more and new points, wouldn’t they? But there’s never anything new or revolutionary about their comments; it’s like parrots, repeating one after another that we will go to hell and/or the three lower realms!
i am grateful to have found you in this lifetime. i dream of a day that ill be able to attend one of your dharma talks and see you personally but for now, i pray for the wisdom to carry out my dharma. thank you, Rinpoche.
93,000 for this post https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/who-is-dorje-shugden-to-me.html ??? Seems like people really do want to learn about Dorje Shugden no matter what the naysayers say. You can’t stop the truth 🙂
While I don’t currently practice Shugden, I find the vulgarity and venom thrown at Rinpoche very troubling and evil. You have helped so many people, including me. Don’t ever stop teaching us the Dharma. You are a beautiful human being in every way, Rinpoche. You are courageous in the face of so much abuse. Ones belief should never have to be defended in this way; it is sad that this occurs in Buddhism. Om Mani Pedme Hung.
Dear Jeffrey, This is exactly what Tsem Rinpoche and thousands of followers of Dorje Shugden have to endure. Just because they practice Dorje Shugden. The Tibetan leadership does not allow religious freedom and it’s clear. The Tibetan leadership can speak up and make it ‘illegal’ to attack Dorje Shugden followers, but they remain quiet. They can publish information to treat all and everyone equally no matter what religion/spirituality they practice, but they remain silent. This is the amount of horrible attacks you receive verbally almost daily just because of the religion of your choice does not match their wishes. Amazing this is happening in the 21st Century.
Wow, just wow. No wonder Patricia has been so quiet. She was busy renaming her blog so that she can continue to court the people she’s trying to butter up, so she can get money off them for her ‘dharma centre’. Interesting.
So Patricia issues death threats against someone then tries to quote the law to defend herself?
I’m confused Patricia. Since when did state law trump federal law, especially when it concerns matters of the American Constitution? In fact, the case she quotes states that according to the Texas Constitution:
“Every person shall be at liberty to speak, write or publish his opinions on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that privilege; and no law shall ever be passed curtailing the liberty of speech or of the press. Tex.Const. art. I, § 8.”
Yes, but the law doesn’t protect you against legal action for making death threats. Death threats do not fall under ‘freedom of speech’.
In the ruling of the case she quotes, it also states that the law only applies when:
“The language enjoined here evoked no threat of danger to anyone and, therefore, may not be subject to the prior restraint of a temporary injunction. Defamation alone is not a sufficient justification for restraining an individual’s right to speak freely. Ex parte Tucker, 110 Tex. 335, 220 S.W. 75, 76 (1920).”
Here’s the funny thing Patricia – you asked for a house to be dropped on someone. You said that Tsem Rinpoche will not live to see the end of the year. That wasn’t just defamation, that was referring to death and that was language referring to danger.
I hope she doesn’t try to continue sounding important in her attempt to defend her nastiness and death threats. She knows what she did and what she said and it’s digusting that she continues to try to defend herself.
This is the case Patricia cites as her defence for issuing death threats against people. I think she had better do her homework. The ruling states that they found in favour of the petitioner to dissolve the temporary injunction because the language he originally used did not evoke any threat of danger.
But Patricia’s comment is not in the same category so the same leeway in the law wouldn’t apply here. She said that if Tsem Rinpoche’s not careful, he won’t live to see out the year. Sounds pretty violent to me.
It seems this Patricia Snodgrass and her ‘friends’ (thugs) at We Need To Talk About Shugden has been threatening and harassing many people including Tsem Rinpoche because they practice Dorje Shugden. It’s only Tsem Rinpoch who finally spoke out and glad he did.
Rosalyn, This is beautiful what you say. Patricia Snodgrass and many of her friends hide under the cover of FREEDOM OF SPEECH to make threats. Freedom of speech is to express your opinions but it should not lead to mental and physical harm of the person you are speaking about. If it leads to harm, it is another kettle of fish. Furthermore, if you know of intended harm and the harm is committed, then you are an accessory. Patricia and her thugs can be an accessory. Whatever it is, everything is recorded here clearly.
Being ‘right’ and ‘righteous’ does not mean people can do as they like without concern about others who might be affected those actions. So many people who claim to be Dalai lama’s student are not living up to what Dalai Lama stands for.
H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche makes khata offerings to His Holiness the Dalai Lama, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche, His Holiness Zong Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden
For 18 years, there has been much pain and difficulties due to the ban on Dorje Shugden practice. H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche advocates reconciliation between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden practitioners, and for efforts to be made towards a positive settlement. Tsem Rinpoche continues to respect His Holiness and simply wishes for a result that is mutually beneficial for everyone involved.
See what Rinpoche has to say about His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Dorje Shugden practice, the ban and the protests, the violence, the disturbance, the riots and the Tibetan leadership. To watch this extracted snippet, please go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng4xRZU9DBE
I found this hateful speech directed towards Rinpoche recently and was unsure where to send it. It is very sad that so called “Buddhists” act with such hateful speech. I do not care what people say about Rinpoche, he will always have my love, respect and veneration for all the Dharma he has given us.
one two three four five once i caught a fish alive
six seven eight nine ten then i let him go again
this boy chose to let the fish go to swim for
just another day
I think if His Holiness saw any of this, he would be deeply ashamed of the people writing these words and extremely compassionate towards them, for their anger. I have never seen such vitriolic remarks which are downright disgusting. What right does anyone have to wish a person goes to hell? Or to wish harm on someone else because of their practice?
The people who are online writing these things had better think hard about their actions. If you won’t say it in front of the Dalai Lama because it’s inappropriate, what makes you think it’s appropriate to say it to anyone else? Karma watches, even if you’re using a pseudonym or doing it “for” the Dalai Lama. Anyway, I highly doubt that the Dalai Lama needs you to represent him in such a vulgar, disgusting way.
It is amazing how some people have so much hatred, so much vulgarity and so much time to write such nasty and repulsive comments and some of them even post with fake identity. True dharma practitioners do not behave in such manner and I don’t think the Dalai Lama advised or encouraged them to do so. Shouldn’t they be doing more positive things to benefit others instead of spending so much time on negativity? It is so sad to see all these cyber bullies leading their life that’s so full of anger. What have they achieved so far from having so much hatred and condemning others?
Please do not criticise on someone who is a Buddhist practitioner who does not hope for anything in return but only to give and help.
If you do not agree, say properly. I thought as Buddhist the first thing that we are taught is body, speech and mind. Already failed the second and third ones.
Sad to know that.
Tsem Rinpoche La, Thanks for sharing, I feel you & love your honesty. Wow! so much hate & vulgarity, Lol! These are people who follow DaLai Lama? Very enlightening, Lol! I think one should focus on the positive benefits of a religion or spiritual practices & dis-regard the politics, personalty worship & idolization, which all have nothing to do. FYI, most people are ignorant to the fact,many global elites H.H. have be-befriended are spirit worshipers, on the dark-side, ‘Lucifer’. In any case it’s understandable ‘they’ don’t like or want serious competition, maybe(?), Lol!
With head bowed and the deepest respect offered to Rinpoche, his people and anyone else reading this I seek to offer a few words.
I see anger and hurt on both sides. Where is the practice of kindness, forgiveness and Bodhichitta in this conflict?
Me, I’m just a humble mystic and will worship a potato if I feel like it so my advice is for whomever; pro or con Dorje Shugden.
Where others disrespect and attempt to slander your beliefs let go of any hurt or anger. Instead, Forgive them and purify the cycle of negative karma by replacing it with caring and compassion. All things change in time and its best to shepherd those changes with patience and love.
Thanks for enduring my arrogance and lack of understanding. Now back to the regularly scheduled commentaries.
I opened this post to read it, and 1 paragraph down I got really pissed off, upset and disappointed.
It’s not possible to live our life pleasing everyone. Scratch that, it’s a mere waste of time, as it only acts as an obstacle for us being able to achieve our greatest potential.
It’s easy for any one to sit behind the anonymous mask of a computer screen, feeling comforted that they’d never have to reveal themselves to be accountable and responsible for their words.
It also seems increasingly more common for people to use their subjective understanding of what pure religion or pure Buddhism is, as a means of justifying their hateful opinions.
H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche is a Dorje Shugden practitioner. And it appears so that people who do not know Rinpoche personally have a problem with that. They clearly don’t have a problem expressing it behind ambiguous names either.
Unlike the flippancy of many, influenced by political, monetary and personal gains, Rinpoche chose to continue the practice for one simple reason: his Guru (teacher) gave him the practice. (Further read on reasons why: http://bit.ly/1DfRZJr)
When others gave up the practice when it wasn’t politically correct, Rinpoche chose to continue. And that action itself, displaying integrity and unshakeable loyalty, is commendable and admirable.
My point for this comment is simple.
This is someone’s personal belief. How does that affect you? Has this person harmed you in any way? Or on the contrary?
For an aspect of a person which we perceive to be negative, does that override the other many positive aspects about them?
Should I stop interacting with someone because they’re a butcher, and it therefore doesn’t fall in line with my personal beliefs, or should I look at the other aspects of the person who is kind, charitable, honest, straight-forward, respectful to elders etc?
Tsem Rinpoche has:
– heavily promoted vegetarianism (thereby influencing the reduction of killings of thousands of animals)
– constantly highlighting the need for improving animal welfare
– educated on proper animal welfare
– created sanctuaries for animals
– initiated thousands of animal liberation
– alleviated the suffering of thousands of local Indians through food sustenance
– alleviated the suffering of hundreds of local Indians through medical assistance
– alleviated the suffering of thousands of monks by funding the construction of hostels and hospitals
– improved the building conditions in Gaden monastery (debate floor, prayer floors etc)
– encouraged and supported education for monks by sponsoring thousands of books for the monastery
– encouraged and supported monks spiritually through the sponsoring of statues
– conceptualized the Kechara Pastors who have in turn helped thousands of people through prayers, physical assistance and counseling
– highlighted the plight of homelessness
– initiated soup kitchens and food banks, which have in turned helped hundreds of thousands of people
– conceptualized Kechara Forest Retreat which serves as a form of sanctuary for those in search of inner peace and personal development
– alleviated the mental and psychological sufferings of millions around the world through books, blog, videos and audio (90% of which are free resources)
The list goes on.
This is just a mere fraction of the work and impact that Rinpoche has achieved in 49 years of His life thus far.
So, which aspect of a person are we going to focus on and highlight today?
“Give the world the best you have and it may never be enough. Give your best anyway.” – Mother Teresa
I’m stupefied by their ignorance and the amount of hatred they have accumulated towards Dorje Shugden’s practise and practitioners. We all have our own religious freedom, we can adopt whichever practise that we want to, if you don’t like it, I guess it’s your own issue. No one is asking anyone to convert and practise Dorje Shugden, I don’t understand how can these people be so narrow- minded and trying to take control over others’ religious freedom. You can do whatever practise you like and we can do whatever practise we want, if you don’t like it, it’s none of our concern, we are just doing our own thing. So please don’t become a control freak whose only aim in life is to take control of peoples’ choices/ decisions. It’s a very sad life because you’ll get nothing in return, and you still have to put up with the way people look at you, which is nothing else but ignorant and rude.
In my opinon, anti Shugden people has 2 big wrong steps in the eyes of non-buddhists: violates of Human rights and hurling insults and bad words towards Shugden practitioners. The more anti Shugden people do the above, it is not helping them at all.. And ppl who donate to their cause are starting to find it strange with their actions and starting to question how they use their money…
The Shugden conflict is based on two primary accusations against the deity and its practitioners: (i) that Shugden is a demonic practice that harms the Buddhadharma and (ii) all Shugden practitioners allegedly work for the Chinese against the Tibetans. It seems that these two accusations can be easily dealt with by those who oppose the practice. All they need do is show: (i) canonical/scriptural evidence that Shugden is a demon, whereas in fact he has been propitiated as an enlightened protector for a few centuries and (ii) proof that all Shugden people including myself, any Kecharians and our guru Tsem Rinpoche has taken sides in the China-Tibet conflict, let alone received money to act against the Tibetans. All accusations must be supported by facts and evidence.
That no facts and evidence have been put forth in almost 2 decades and instead the slew of witless insults have increased and become more aggressive, just go to prove that there are no truth to support these accusations.
It is not easy to see Rinpoche been attacked personally mainly by people who do not know Rinpoche or have met him. Some who do know him seem quite unstable i.e. not so long ago they wrote songs of praise to Rinpoche and now they want Rinpoche’s head. Why? Because Rinpoche is a Shugden lama. But before these people knew that, Rinpoche seemed ok and measured up to their expectations but the moment they became aware of Rinpoche’s Shugden practice, their impression goes south. Clearly it is not Rinpoche but their perceptions that is to blame. Rinpoche has not changed so how can opinions of him change so drastically unless these opinions are heavily tainted with prejudice and lack objectivity.
The Shugden issue is a simple issue and not in fact rocket science. His Holiness the Dalai Lama could so easily dispense with this issue in 5 minutes either way. Show proof that Shugden’s demonic nature and that we are all Chinese ‘spies’ or admit that the Shugden ban is just Dharamsala’s political gamesmanship.
In the meantime, reading these nasty comments posted here just confirms in my mind that it is better to be a Shugden practitioner seeing that its worshippers seem to be practicing Dharma, not the other bunch.
Oh my gosh….
Who are all these outsiders??? What do they know about H.E. Tsem Rinpoche?? They are followers of the Dalai Lama but they use harsh words and abusive speech to define someone. Is that the Dalai Lamas teachings?? He told you to use harsh words against someone?
They really should not get involved if they know the Dharma well. Buddha came to planet Earth to teach us to live in peace, not to fight or criticize people just because they practice a so called “devil”.
What proof do you have that makes you so sure that Dorje Shugden is a devil?? If Dorje Shugden was really a devil why wasn’t he killed by the uncountable number of fire Pujas that were supposed to get rid of him??? If you say that the so called “devil” was really powerful means that you are saying practices have no use.
So many high Lama’s practice Dorje Shugden but yet nothing bad happened to them.
But even though nothing happens to them they also get benefits from Dorje Shugden, I am not saying that the “devil” had no strength to harm these high Lamas but what I mean is that even laypeople practice Dorje Shugden yet they don’t get harm, just benefits.
Plus there are a lot of events that peoples life was saved by Dorje Shugden.
So Who are you calling devil??
It sounds more like you, because you are hurting other peoples feelings by calling them rude names and showing them middle fingers.
I mean come on your parents aren’t descendants from hell, so if you show middle fingers or criticize people you are telling the whole world that your parent is from hell and that could scare people away as it also shows your rude uncivilized behavior that of a wild animal.
Of course at this time there is little I can do to help those people who get tortured everyday, I can only pray and hope that life will get better for them and that the ban will be lifted soon before more people get killed or hurt.
Dear Lama, as I browsed through the post, the first impression I get is that you are VERY patient! 🙂 I do not even have as much patient reading as you wrote. You replied like a Bodhisattva with logic and reason. Personally, I believe that faith cuts both ways and since your critics’ faith is one that works against logic (the easier type of faith to develop), I think talking sense to them is like writing on water. 🙂 However, its still good for those who are undecided and clear-minded, whom I think should be the majority. May your teachings and activities shine in the ten directions. I will be there when needed. Happy new year and may the Lama’s blessings shower upon my sinful soul like monsoon rain! 😀
It is better to remain silent than to lie, especially when it comes to spirituality.
“My religion is not deceiving myself” said Milarepa.
Your answer from the link below, has been removed from your blog.
http://goo.gl/0i3QzL
Rinpoche I respect this long post of yours and appreciate so many of your online posts. That said, I’m wondering why your Eminance did not speak with HH the Dalai Lama about this matter personally.
Rinpoche I must also say that I am sorry that this has brought up so much negativity towards you and Kecharians. Many of the comments have been unnecessarily harsh.
A quote by Rinpoche comes to mind- Rinpoche has said in the past, ”Yes, there is a demon, but is the demon going in or coming out?” I think this quote hints at a lot of our miseries that arise from within us. This post is too sad and too derogatory for someone like Tsem Rinpoche. Looking at the overall situation I just feel these high lamas, be it Rinpoche or HHDL or Geshe Kelsang Gyatso they really are in the degenerate times that they have to put up with silly fools like us. Looking at these great masters I just feel like saying to them, Rinpoches you left samsara but samsara hasn’t left you and I empathise with you on this issue.
VULGARITIES AGAINST DHOGYAL PEOPLE
You know, I definitely don’t agree with the Dhogyal practice (D**je Sh***en)and I agree with what His Holiness Dalai Lama warns, but all the rude curse language written against the Dhogyal people really makes us look bad. You make His Holiness look bad. We definitely have enough ‘ammunition’ to educate the public against Dhogyal. But you people really make it look bad for us with your name calling, personal attacks, rudeness and vulgarity. You even dig up people’s past and attack them. It gets too personal and it’s unnecessary. You bring our cause against Dhogyal down in the eyes of many educated and sane people. People are already questioning why ‘Dalai Lama people’ are so hot tempered, rude and ready to fight at a drop of the hat. The pro-Dalai Lama people’s language are an abomination. The Dhogyal people are a placid and calm. They portray themselves as civil, polite and never attack. This is really good ‘marketing’ from their side. It makes the Dhogyal people look victimized.
I think all of you who did all the vulgarities did our stance against Dhogyal a great disservice. You did His Holiness a great disservice. How can you be protecting someone like the Dalai Lama with actions opposite of what he teaches? You took the attention away from the fact Dhogyal is a negative practice to why anti-Dhogyal people act in ways that turn others off. You push people to take pity on Dhogyal people. Really unintelligent move. You really gave attention to the wrong place.
We need to act civil and stop making unnecessary personal attacks. Personal attacks against anyone is yellow journalism and it makes us look like we don’t have anything substantial and we do. Everything you all have said personal, vulgar and rude is ‘recorded’ here for a long time. It will be here ‘forever’. Since you posted it publicly, there is nothing you can do about it. Really have to stop all these personal attacks and vulgarities. Debate with the truth as His Holiness has pointed out many times. Dhogyal is wrong so stick to the point! Lidia Jones
No better words can be used to truly describe “the endurance of a living being” than this brave soul of our Compassionate and brave Guru, who endures so much hatred, condemnation and sufferings, just to bring Dharma to so many, many people the World over! Our kind Rinpoche has done nothing wrong to hurt anyone except to stand up for what he believes is right for many others too, and as a Bodhisattva does, choose to benefit many thousands of others through his exercising this Guru-devotion practice. There is of course nothing controversial of this practice given to him by his good Guru thirty years ago!!! Om Mani Padme Hung.
Amazing revelation of what Tsem Tulku Rinpoche has to go through:
It was very painful for me to read the whole article as the vulgarity used was not necessary and whatever most of us have today is all due to Rinpoche’s kindness. I felt angry at the beginning but then again, I calm myself and said that results do speak louder than their words. Trust me, I am not the only one as this has been a hot topic in Kechara ever since this article came out.
I just have something to say to these people who has been using vulgarity towards my guru.
What have you achieved so far? Have you:
– fed thousands and thousands of homeless? and gave them hope when they lost all hope?
– have you changed the lives of thousands of people for the better?
– have you taken care of the welfare of hundreds of students continuously?
– have you given large teachings which has changed people’s minds/actions to be better?
– have you brought the relationship between family/friends/spouses/siblings to be closer?
– have you given light to others when everything else was dark?
– have you been to hundreds of trips to hospitals around the world to provide blessings and care, not only for those who are sick but also to their loved ones around them?
The list can go on but I shall not waste the internet space.
If you have not done any of the above, then maybe when you have at least done one of the above, we can speak on the same platform but for now, please refrain from using vulgarity as it is inappropriate to use even to others.
P/S : There are some comments published in the article which was written by a person who has been taking from us over many years. Please reflect at what you have done to many of us and especially to the sangha members before commenting.
I’m not surprised to see that there are those who cowardly hide behind their veil of social media secrecy and spew vitriol and hate by just a click of the mouse. Anonymity does not protect anyone from karma and the consequences of one’s own negative action. We see it everyday in social media, where there is so much bigotry, homophobia, racism etc. It’s neither shocking nor horrifying. But to see this within the “Bhuddist” community itself is just disgraceful. Some are even in monks’ robes! We can clearly see the results of their “Bhuddist” practice from their actions and words. One can profess to know a lot of dharma but if their actions don’t match or are the opposite of the dharma, then their “practice” is questionable. What dharma or even religion teaches hatred, anger, malicious gossip?
Some even would pick and choose certain teachings that they think are nice or to their convenience from different teachers and come back with a shopping bag of information that they call dharma. From the bits and pieces, form their own opinion on what “Buddhism” should be. Well, the results of the “practice” are clear for all to see. At least I had a good laugh :O
I see people write that they follow Rinpoche’s teachings, thought that he taught well and enjoyed his teachings, but are horrified that he practices Shugden and now, are not able to receive/learn from his teachings anymore because of his practice. Suddenly his teachings aren’t good. But it does not make sense to me, because what change does it make when the essence itself is good? How can such peripherals like color, beliefs, practices, race, sexual orientation, gender define somebody, when what matters most is WHO they are, and not what they are. Do you know what a person is truly like just by judging their cover at first glance? Of course not, because then it will have to conform with what YOU perceive is right and the way you perceive things to be, which does not reflect reality… Unless of course you are clairvoyant but I highly doubt it.
I am disgusted to the core reading these comments. It is daily. Negativity does not solve a situation, and provides no solution. What are these people trying to achieve with their comments anyways? It’s so simple – example: if you don’t like to eat bitter gourd, then don’t eat it. You don’t need to uproot and destroy all bitter gourd plantations so that other people who love it can’t have it too. That’s pure selfish. Similarly, if something annoys you, or if you are allergic to a medicine, don’t take it. But it doesn’t mean that the medication which doesn’t work for you would not work on someone else. Who are you to have the final say and decide what someone else can or cannot do.. If it works for them, great, if it doesn’t work for you, so be it. The comments hurled towards Rinpoche, is not even a matter of what kind of a person Rinpoche is based on the results he has – it is just pure hate, prejudice, divisiveness, schism, – so whatever they have said, how does it reflect on them? They aren’t any better hurling abuses at others. You guys don’t even know Rinpoche enough to give a fair and sound comment what more hiding behind virtual identities.
I have been a student of Rinpoche’s for 4 years, and have seen nothing but the Dharma being taught, the kindness Rinpoche has shown, the compassion Rinpoche has exemplified. I know, because I know I’ve changed for the better. And I am a result of the good Rinpoche has done. So if people are saying that Rinpoche does not teach pure Dharma, then I wonder what their definition of Dharma is because the last time I checked, it certainly did not involve constantly defaming, insulting and spreading negativity of others.
It is baffling what people can write to another person who has done nothing intentionally wrong towards them. I have learnt that in life, we are not defined by where we come from, our background or our skills or ability but by how we respond to life as it happens to us.
Rinpoche has been most patient and tolerant with this invasion of verbal assaults. Care has been made to respond to clarify and explain where it is possible . Now, Rinpoche has kindly used this negative experience Rinpoche is going through to enable us to learn by writing this open, unfiltered post.
As a picture does speak a thousand words, these screen capture literally caught the culprits of vow breakers who blatantly use hurtful speech, divisive speech, malicious intent, wrong view and unsubstantiated statements (can be viewed as lies if said with intention to cause confusion and mislead). The culprits should be ashamed irregardless of the subject matter because bullying, vulgarity, malicious intentions cannot and should not become “ok” with any justification.
This bullying must stop now and I hope that the appeals made to the Dalai Lama and his administration will receive a positive respond. We are at an age where hope from our leaders are vital for humanity to persevere.
Dear Rinpoche,
I cannot imagine how they can even think of those things to put it on paper, i could not read it. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ so sad to know how Rinpche have to endure all these things. May people have true understanding of Dharma and the guru disciple relationship. OM MANI PADME HUM
All these words against Rinpoche are from cowards whom we do not even know who they really are. Such profanity is most unbecoming and if they are buddhists they definitely have discarded their vows of good speech.
I am glad to have a Guru like Rinpoche who not only give us the pure Dharma but also social conduct with dignity and grace.
My deepest regret that Rinpoche has to suffer such abuse. For the 5 million and more readers of this blog, I am sure they will realise the truth of faith and care and love as expounded by Rinpoche, such a breath of fresh air.
It’s very sad but seems like there’s many, many people, on both extremes, people who won’t think twice before taking such a perspective and sharing it with the whole world even if what they do can be seen as being rude, nasty, impolite or plainly violent. We can’t do much about it because they have to sort it out by themeselves, but I can wish the best to them. It is true that they have the right to be as they are too, even if for the people who look at the bigger picture they are doing things that won’t do any good to them or to anyone. It’s not that hard to understand that this kind of things happen in samsara. I mean, this IS samsara. People can do that kind of things and they can also do otherwise but it’s up to them. Let us wish that one way or another they can be freed of this cyclic life and that they can find true happiness and its causes.
I, for one, do not practice Shugden (nor am I interested on doing so, I am happy with my practice as it is), and as far as I know, His Holiness Dalai Lama’s attitude towards the whole issue has never been remotely close to what all that people are doing. What he said on the teachings I attended like a couple of years ago was pretty simple, in fact. At that time, he didn’t even said that people practicing Shugden should stop doing so.
But well, in short, I think there’s no real reason to go nuts about it no matter what ‘side’ you think you’re in.
There’s a lot of wisdom in budhism, in all the schools and traditions if you ask me, it’s a whole path made out of it. I’d just say let’s just not waste time and concentrate on what really matters, do our best so when the time of the death comes we are closer to liberation and to liberate others too, but that’s just me!
Maybe that does sound too cheesy or wishy-washy but at any rate that’s what I think and those were the words that came to mi mind haha.
Now, I do not normaly post in this kind of things (or on the internet for that matter. Yes not even on Facebook) but wow… There’s so much ‘siding’ on this issue that I hope that this little comment can at least do some good to someone. Really, just keep up with a genuine motivation.
Maybe you could say that I don’t have a ‘side’ on this because I’m not even a gelugpa lay follower or stuff like that, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t have an idea about the suffering that all this can be creating.
Best wishes for all!
Tsem Rinpoche asks: “Why does anyone have to reveal anything personal to anyone?” Answer: Because if he’s a lama people must know what practices he does in order to know whether to take teaching from him or not.
To reveal something personal is a privilege to hear and not abuse. To reveal something personal is not something that somehow should bias you, hate you, target you and threaten your life.
Do you think that, as a Lama, you have the responsibility to let people know that you practice something this controversial? And therefore to reveal something personal is not a privilege but sometimes your duty?
Dear Andreas, what I practice is only ‘controversial’ in some circles. Not in all circles. For the four million Shugden people and my many great gurus it is not controversial at all.
For most of the world it is not controversial. For the people I meet, Dorje Shugden is not a controversy. They get much benefits from it. My work is growing due to Dorje Shugden’s blessings. I am grateful and humbled.
Before I answer more let me ask you back some questions to examine you as well. Examination is from both sides.
1. Who are you? What is your full name? How do people write to you. You can write to me from here.
2. Can you post your picture?
3. Where do you live?
4. What is your spiritual background?
5. Where have you ‘studied’ dharma?
6. You know everything about me and you question me, let me question you please. 🙂 Reveal more of yourself and be fair. Otherwise don’t ask so many things that I have no responsibility to answer you since I do not know who you are and what you do in life. I do not wish to be involved with ‘mystery’ people :). I have far too much work and my life is very full with dharma work and meeting many people interested in Dorje Shugden’s practice. They always write in from all over the world excitedly saying Shugden is an effective practice and they are grateful. It might help you too when you have big problems. 🙂
Tsem Rinpoche
Tsem Rinpoche, you are a public person, but I am not and have no wish to be. Posting my photo would also frighten your blog-readers. My Buddhist background started with Ole Nydahl’s group, when it was the Tibetan Buddhist group most hostile to the Dalai Lama, (I still have no close ties to Dalai Lama) and I’ve also had teachings from Geshe Kelsang’s group on Vajrayogini, so I won’t criticize Kelsang. But I’ve never been interested in Dorje Shugden. There are so many practices in Tibetan Buddhism, I prefer ones that don’t have the cloud of controversy and warfare. I think you’ve changed your karma and the karma of all your followers by stumbling into this crazy minefield, but of course as a Buddhist I hope it turns out well in the end. As for whether it is controversial everywhere – of course not. But if you’re stuck in a snowstorm, it doesn’t matter whether it’s sunny in Hawaii.
For Andreas,
Tsem Rinpoche is a hero. One day soon all this ‘controversy’ created by Tibetan people in charge will be over and Tsem Rinpoche will be a hero. He dared to speak up.
All great people in the beginning have much opposition and later people recognize their courage for not being afraid to stand up.
Tsem Rinpoche is in a ‘snowstorm’ for the benefit of others while you hide in ‘sunny hawaii’.
You hide and never reveal who you are shows what you say has no value nor courage nor truth.
To Andreas,
You are not a public person and neither should you be. You do not identify yourself. You do not reveal who you are and you simply post shows you are a coward. Being honest about who you are has NOTHING to do with being a public person. The millions of people on Facebook with pictures and identity are not public people but honest about who they are. If you are going to post or give your opinion, then be honest about who you are or better the people here delete your post.
Tsem Rinpoche is brave, courageous and honest. He is doing Shugden practice from his guru. He had the practice WAY BEFORE THE BAN STARTED. If he has changed the karma of his followers, it is for the better. His followers are bright, educated and intelligent people that number into the thousands. So I am sure they know what they are doing. You don’t have to give your ridiculous prophecies alluding of doom.
As for the snowstorm, Tsem Rinpoche like a Bodhisattva chose to be in the storm to benefit thousands of people. Tsem Rinpoche gets nothing for teaching about Dorje Shugden only it helps others like his gurus taught Shugden. There is nothing controversial about this practice. It is a pure practice given to him by his guru over 30 years ago.
You should be honest about who you are and don’t hide.
So much hatred and anger !
They used harsh words and vulgarity yet they called themselves students of HH Dalai Lama
I wonder if they even go to HH Dalai Lama’s teachings at all…
Honestly I have never heard any vulgar words come out from His Holiness’ mouth nor see any improper gesture from him openly… and I believe His Holiness will not do that in private too.
These self acclaimed true blue ‘Buddhists’ with their uncivil behaviour just came online hurling basedless accusations and insults onto Tsem Tulku Rinpoche and students.
They claimed there is no ban on Dorje Shugden practice, why then crossed over to others’ FB to post all these hate comments?
I was ‘asked’ by one hater Tenzin Nyibum, what I know about Buddhism because I am ‘chinese’ and he used the worst curse with vulgarity in his sentence.
First of all, I dare not claim to know a lot since Buddha Shakyamuni taught 84,000 teachings but I do know enough not to lower myself to his level.
I know enough that to call ourselves as Buddhist we have to take refuge in the 3 Jewels, hence we have to hold the refuge vows of which 4 of them are on right speech.
If you know Buddhism and proudly identified yourself as Buddhist, why then you break these basic refuge vows?
I wonder if all the haters even care about these vows when they openly used harsh and malicious speech.
Secondly does being ‘Chinese’ automatically disqualified me to know Buddhism?
Why then Tibetans revered Chinese Princess Wen Cheng and regarded her as emanation of Mother Tara?
Why the Jowo Rinpoche Buddha brought by Princess Wen Cheng is so precious to Tibetans?
What logic is this when ethnicity is being used as yardstick to measure spirituality?
Does it also implying that only Tibetans know Buddhism?
The Buddha is not Tibetan. The lotus-born Guru Rinpoche /Padmasambhava is not Tibetan. The great Lord Atisha is not Tibetan. So, based on your logic they don’t know Buddhism?
One is spiritual or not, and is a Buddhist or not is not measured by one’s ethnicity or the outer skin colour but by the person’s inner attainments.
The spiritual level of a person is measured by one’s control over one’s mind and actions.
I was born and grew up in Malaysia, and I have not yet step my foot in China, so, I am Malaysian.
To follow my Guru, I am sorry to have caused you so much unhappiness. I will pray for you and your family.
Om Mani Padme Hum
INTERESTING DEVELOPEMENT:
We have been informed by our friends in Dharamsala that the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA; the de facto head of Tibetans in Exile in India) that they have seen the vulgarities said in the name of being on the Dalai Lama’s defense. Many who can read English in Dharamsala have been horrified that their campaign against Shugden is leading to such vulgarities and attacks on Shugden followers personal lives. CTA had hoped to intimidate Shugden people to give up through fear and violence in the past, but it has worked against them as they represent Dalai Lama a Nobel peace prize winner. People are asking why Dalai Lama does not speak up against the hatred towards Shugden people? CTA in the past have kept quiet about the attacks on Shugden people both physical and verbal but now IT’S DIRECTLY BEING CONNECTED TO THEM which is bad PR. The more Dalai Lama supporters hurl abuses on line and it’s recorded, the more it will work against CTA.
The CTA visit this blog often to keep a watch. They are embarrassed by people who write such negatives and vulgarities now and engage in name-calling in the name of Buddhism and the Dalai Lama. It reflects terribly on them. They have been getting more negative response from people around the world and more queries. The press has been picking up on these types of verbal abuses hurled at Shugden people and find it justified and alerted to the fact something is seriously wrong. They are starting to question the CTA more which is embarrassing.
We will keep posting these vulgarities hurled at Shugden people online. This is what Shugden people have to tolerate daily. But you will see NO SUCH COMMENTS from Shugden people. I have friends who informed me they will also send this article’s link to press around the world and proper authorities to keep them alert. As violent vulgarities can escalate into violence against innocent Shugden practitioners.
You see the bottom line is all this name hurling and violent words can stop overnight if His Holiness Dalai Lama speaks up to stop it. Dalai Lama should send people to engage in dialogue to settle this matter once and for all. It would benefit everyone all around. This ban and advice against peaceful Shugden practitioners was started by Tibetan leadership. They should do something to stop it as they are responsible for every person they affect with this ban. The Tibetan leadership is responsible for every harm perpetrated or planned against Shugden practitioners both verbal, psychological and physical.
Dear Dalai Lama,
This is an open letter to you and the Central Tibetan Administration. In recent weeks the hatred from your supporters towards other Buddhists has been demonstrated by the collation of messages received by Tsem Tulku Rinpoche. The slander ranges from disgust and vile speech to death threats. Below is a link to his article documenting this abuse:
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/…/will-the-dalai-lama-agree-wit…
Your silence on the matter over the last 19 years is remarkable. Under similar circumstances, a Country, Organisation, Political Party even Corporations would release a press statement condemning the ‘actions of a few extreme’ supporters for so heavily criticizing their opponents in an illegal manner (death threats for example).
My point in writing this letter is to clarify why both you, the Dalai Lama, and the CTA have made no such comments distancing yourselves from the disgusting abuse nor condemning it in anyway. In absence of such actions, your supporters think it is entirely appropriate to act in this manner and are encouraged to spew more lies and abuse towards Buddhists. Dalai Lama as you well know, such silence is an acceptance of their actions and in effect gives them approval to do so again. It also makes you vicariously liable. Inciting hatred in this way in the West typically results in a prison sentence for those responsible i.e. you directly and the CTA members of the Committee of the 15th Tibetan Parliament in Exile. We all know one sentence from you telling your supporters not to act in this way would stop this abuse and hatred.
In absence of any response from you the World must conclude this type of behavior is your type of ‘Buddhism’, a regime aimed at division, at separation, hatred, violence even murder all in your name. This doctrine cannot be called Buddhism but rather a basic example of divide and conquer; a power game to further your worldly intentions. This would also indicate how the CTA is not fit for the purpose of governing a Country or Autonomous Region when your tactics are based on medieval principles.
May I request a simple response from you please?
a) I do not agree with my supporters acting in this way and therefore request them to stop
or
b) I do agree with my supporters acting in this way
In absence of any response then the World must conclude you choose the latter option b) and your wish is for further hatred and division within Buddhism and especially Tibetan Buddhism.
Selecting option b) or not responding at all, breaks many Buddhists Vows and principles invalidating your position as a monk. Should this be your choice then Buddhists around the World expect you to disrobe as you would have no right to act as a Monk let alone represent the ordained communities.
As per common legal interpretation this letter is deemed sent to you via the multiple emails sent to the following addresses given in the Contact section of the CTA website:
1. Secretary Tibetan Supreme Justice Commission
Central Tibetan Administration
Dharamshala
E-mail: tsjc@tibet.net
2. Parliamentary Secretary
Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile
Central Tibetan Administration
Dharamshala
E-mail: tibetanparliament@tibet.net
3. Kashag Secretary
Kashag Secretariat
Central Tibetan Administration
Dharamshala
E-mail: kadrung@tibet.net
4. Private Secretary to Sikyong
Kashag Central Tibetan Administration
Dharamshala
E-mail: pstosikyong@tibet.net
5. Chief Planning Officer
Planning Commission
Central Tibetan Administration
Dharamshala
E-mail: pc@tibet.net
6. Secretary
Department of Religion & Culture
Central Tibetan Administration
Dharamshala
E-mail: religion@tibet.net
And also posted on Facebook and Twitter, the latter using the hashtag#DalaiLama which I’m sure your representatives monitor.
I look forward to your response.
Kelsang Rabchog
Much have been said about this issue which; if we look at from another perspective, will make us look rather silly and ridiculous. If we were to go to an
Indian restaurant and our main staple food is Roti Pratha and our favourite curry to go with is simply Dhall (lentils curry) it’s fine. But suddenly one day, the
President of Association of Indian Restaurants (AoIR) declared, all shops must stop serving the side dish Dhall curries, because he suddenly developed an
allergy to it, and all customers with a liking for the Dhall curry is banned from coming to all Indian restaurants under the umbrella of the Head of (AoIR). Just
because the President decided his favourite curry to go with Roti Canai is Chicken Cury, Fish Curry and Mutton Curry is the only side dishes to be made
available.
Anyone who professes a liking for Dhall curry will be banned from entering the restaurant under (AoIR). Persecuted and shunned upon. Restaurant owners
who for 7 generations continues to cook dhall curry will be kicked out from (AoIR) together whose customers whose profess a liking for this side dishes
and will not received any protection, activities, events organised from the (AoIR). Even though many of these restaurant owners have been cooking this
side dishes for 7 generations and a master of that; and the Indians for generations practically grew up eating this side dish their entire lives (including the
President of AoIR who have been eating Dhall curry for many years). Though both professed to eat the same main staple food, Roti Pratha.
Now lets turn this around and put Lama Tsongkhapa as our main staple Roti Pratha. With the different dharma protectors as the side dishes. Don’t we as
Buddhist practitioners look rather silly over all these nonsensical fights? So what if the President decides his side dishes is Nechung or Palden Lhamo..etc. What could outsiders even think of us looking as “Practitioners” of the Buddhist
faith? This only will cause more confusion, resentment and loads of bad energy for both sides eating the same staple food. Everyone should have a
free choice of their own gravy to go with it.
“Fighting” happens because of Ignorance of “practitioners” who blindly follows. It’s fine, to follow blindly if they “must” because of Guru Devotion. But follow with
compassion for others too, without creating suffering for others and bad karma for oneself.
When we take a step back and see the whole picture and question our inner self and our actions and repercussions to others; we could stop creating animosity towards each other now. Shugden or Anti-Shugden.
I actually feel more sad for the people making such negative comments. My heart breaks for them.
It’s amazing that some people have so much time to write negative comments on other people’s wall when they don’t like what was posted. Some would even tag their friends of the same feather to back them up. Don’t they have a life? Lol!
Seriously, do something positive to benefit others. Be with your family, take your dogs and cats for walks. Volunteer at soup kitchens, half way houses, senior citizens homes, orphanages, animal shelters. Take up a hobby….floral classes, cooking, crocheting. Go to the gym, go for walks and runs.
There are so many positive activities that could potentially benefit others and self than just sitting in front of the computer screen and hitting on the keyboard spewing profanities and hatred. All just because the ego wishes to win and to put others down because the ego refuses to accept and disagrees with other people’s opinion, lifestyle, religion, and spiritual practices. And the negative words are directed at people they have never met nor will meet. All these negativities may lead to habitual addiction.
Some people need attention badly and seek it through any means to be noticed. They know they are not popular hence by making comments on other websites and people’s personal walls they hope to be noticed.
For some people who are being paid to do these negative writing work, do write but articles that bring benefit and happiness to others. It would also bring happiness and peace to yourself.
Peace.
It is just really ridiculous about the culture of human nature right now. These people have degenerated till they resort to cyber bullying?
The comments are just so difficult to read. If these people that have left the comments feel that as Shugden followers it hurts them, have they ever thought that the comments that they have written would also be hurting someone else?
I do understand that they have the upmost respect for the Dalai Lama. However, I too choose to agree with Rinpoche that if the Dalai Lama really saw all these nasty comments that are made, it would break his heart. This is for a very simple reason, it shows the Dalai Lama that what is being taught by His Holiness has not made any impact on his followers, showing him how their minds are like. Minds that are not compassionate at all, and still say that they do practice the true Dharma.
I do not know if this thought has ever occurred for all these “haters”. This lama that they are criticising is a ordained monk, even if they do not agree with the practices that are being done, they should still respect the robes and vows that this lama is able to keep up with. What are they able to do? This great Rinpoche here also have followers and students that have feelings as well. When people criticise about the Dalai Lama they get angry, annoyed, and started to cyber bully others. But they have never thought that their harsh words has also hurt the followers, students, and even friends of Tsem Rinpoche. But never once did we as students, followers, or friends said anything harsh back to the “haters”. All we wish is that you would respect our lama, our choice.
If there is really a freedom to be practicing whatever that we want and whatever we choose to be practicing, then why is there so much hate? So much harsh words that makes no sense? Through all these actions it only shows how low and deep into samsara they are in. They have never thought that they should be practicing the true meaning of Dharma. If they were to say that this is truly what the Dalai Lama wants and teaches them to do, then, I do not think that this is Dharma at all. They would be twisting the words of the Dalai Lama to suit their comforts.
To be pushing ourselves out of our own comfort zones is also a way to be practicing the Dharma. So why not just accept us practitioners that have different views as who we are?
Not accepting what they are doing, their choice, or practice it shows how shallow they are. Yet, they have the cheek to say that all have to freedom to choose, and they can do this because of freedom of speech? It totally makes no sense at all for them to be saying that.
I really hope that these “haters” would rest their case. If one person tells me that they are able to be as giving, kind, compassionate as Rinpoche is, I may then listen to what they have to say. However, this is not the case now. You have nothing but just sit there to be a cyber bully. There is nothing else that you can do but to create schisms. I am sorry to say, but I pity you “haters”.
Thank you Rinpoche for sharing all these with us. I believe just like many students of Rinpoche, we do not accept this things that are being said about Rinpoche. They are negative words. As students we know what Rinpoche has done for all of us, we will always have faith in Rinpoche. Thank you Rinpoche for always being there for anyone of us when we need it.
I cannot help but cringe at the hissing venom , anger and hatred that seem to jump out of every word of the very negative comments against Tsem Rinpoche here.
My guru, Tsem Rinpoche, is being judged by people who don’t even know him for all their claims of knowing him. Truly speaking, only people who have been with him 24/7 for many years can lay claim to knowing him. Not others. Yet, on the other hand, Tsem Rinpoche is an open book, if you care to scroll through his blogposts and his teachngs online. He is the embodiment of the Lojong, the Lamrim, the Wheel of Sharp Weapons, the Fifty Stanzas of Guru Devotion.Buddhists should know what is our main practice. Buddhists should know that Protector practice is only a small part of practice to aid one in one’s main practice.
My guru is being wilfully maligned as the devil incarnate because he is a Shugden practitioner, notwithstanding the fact that it is out of unwavering Guru Devotion to his root guru, that he has refused to give up his practice. Not withstanding the fact that one of the basic tenets of Tibetan Buddhism is that one must have total devotion to one’s tantric Guru.
Out of great compassion, Tsem Rinpoche openly talks about these shocking negative criticisms of him. He fears for those involved and for the huge amount of negative karma involved.
It is truly shocking to read all the negative comments and remarks left by these so-called “followers of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama” or whoever they really are.
The ban on Dorje Shugden had indeed opened up a can of worms! Now we see clearly who are the genuine Buddhist practitioners! It is not about whether you are a follower of Dorje Shugden or otherwise.
Who do these “righteous” people think they are? Who gives them the right to lie, idle gossip, use hurtful speech, and use divisive speech against Dorje Shugden followers who have not done them any harm whatsoever? These so-called “righteous” people do not even realise that they are having wrong views, malicious and covetous intentions against anything and everything “Shugden”! How could these “Buddhists” indulge untiringly in these negative actions non-stop online day in and day out?
What ever had happened to the civilised behaviour expected of a good human? Where are the manners? Have they lost their consciences? Have they forgotten about their own dignities or the reputations of Dalai Lama, their parents, families, guardians, gurus, and so on? Forget about love, kindness, compassion or bodhichitta. These “righteous” people do not even know how to respect others let alone themselves!
The main issue here is the serious degeneration of ethics or moral conduct of these ignorant people! It is not about being Buddhists any more because Buddhists do not attack other Buddhists like the pro-Dalai Lama people attacking the Dorje Shugden followers!
It is obviously the infringement of basic human right and religious freedom of the individuals who chose to practise Dorje Shugden. These “righteous” people are using the pretext of Dalai Lama’s ban on Dorje Shugden to attack anything or everything “Shugden”!
In my opinion, these “righteous” attackers desperately need professional or psychological help to eradicate their strong hatred and anger ingrained in the mind-streams! It is not the fault of Dharma but their faults of not practising Dharma purely and sincerely!
These “righteous” people are so ignorant that they do not realise the repercussions of their negative actions! The wheel of sharp weapons will return to them for their negative actions!
His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is an emanation of Buddha of Compassion. We do not understand the ultimate reasons for the ban initiated by Dalai Lama. But conventionally the ban had caused tremendous harm on Dorje Shugden followers since its implementation and this must be stopped! When the truth is eventually revealed by Dalai Lama, I dread to see the reactions of these attackers of Dorje Shugden and his followers! Om Mani Padme Hum!
It must be the time of degeneration, that wrong view and negative afflictions are so pervasive in sentient beings’ mind.
I have been with His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche for more than 10 years serving him day and night, I see consistency in him giving Dharma teachings tirelessly, building temples, nurturing students, being very generous giving a lot of things to others, having very strong guru devotion that whenever Zong Rinpoche’s name is mentioned he would tear, encouraging family harmony, teaching kids how to respect their parents, mending couple’s straining relationship, rescuing tortured animals, keeping dog food in his car to feed stray dogs, advocating vegetarianism, not harming even an ant…My point is, if Shugden is a demon, Tsem Rinpoche as a Shugden worshipper, I still can’t find one iota of demonic thing in his life by observing him 24/7. Ok, he loves to watch horror movies, so maybe that linked him towards something demonic? And also he likes to wear all black, shirt black, pants black, kurta black…so that’s a sign of demonic right?
It must really be the time of degeneration, where wrong views are so pervasive, that people will condemn virtues, but take pride in anger and hatred. Really Om Mani Padme Hum.
I was unable to read most of this; even scrolling through to leave a comment left me breathless. I must understand irrational hatred as a projection of terrible, terrible inner suffering, and I am so sorry that you–or anyone– is the target, the vessel, receiving it. I know you trust the wisdom of your Guru: I only hope this is the fever before the fever breaks. Please know also, however, that for every …fill in the blank… that you are facing, there are a thousand Bodhisattvas doing taking and giving on your behalf: May this situation be healed for the benefit of all. May there be Peace in Everyone’s Heart. Kelsang Dechog
Dear Kelsang Dechog, this is what Tsem Rinpoche has to endure now on a daily basis I assume. We everyday folks can practice and not practice makes no difference to others and no one threatens us. Heck, most of my family are Jews and have no idea what is a Dorje Shugden *lol*.
When Tsem Rinpoche was practicing quietly then Dorje Shugden people were constantly trying to out him. I have been following Tsem Rinpoche’s works and twitter for years. Dorje Shugden people accused him of having no courage. They accused him that he abandoned his teachers. Little did they know, as a Tibetan his life is put in danger. Now that he is in danger, all of you and me should support him at least online which you did. It’s easy for the rest of us to say come out and be honest with your practice, but there are serious repercussions for Tsem Rinpoche and many like him in the Tibetan communities. Now he has to live with threat of his life daily. Who would like that? Yeah the Tibetan leaders and community can be like that. Violent and ignorant. The Shangrila myth about Tibetans is just a myth. I’ve seen the Tibetans in NYC and how violent they can be if the police doesn’t hold them back.
Now that Tsem Rinpoche has ‘come out’ then the pro Dalai people threaten, curse, hurl accusations at Tsem Rinpoche. Amazing. Either way Tsem Rinpoche has to suffer for the sake of many. I am sure being a human, Tsem Rinpoche has feelings too and all these negative comments must be painful but yet he persists showing strength of mind and perhaps development of compassion to not give up.
One thing for sure, Tsem Rinpoche is a hero for standing up for what he believes like many others. This is not about the Shugden practice, but Tsem Rinpoche has courage and a hero in my eyes and the eyes of many. I am sure in the years to come when all this dies down (hope it’s soon), Tsem Rinpoche and many like him will be seen has heroes who stood for what they believe.
My respects to this brave soul who endures so much hatred to bring dharma to many.
Its true that Tsem Rinpoche is very brave when he brought up this subject of DS. He can or expect that kind of response from certain quarters who are aligned to DL. That’s why I just practise n not say anything to anyone where/ how/why I go for my practice. In this way I free myself of unnecessary comments which is a reflection of their shallowness but not mine!! :))
Fully ordained monks are also humans..they are not enlightened yet hence they hv their own set of beliefs too. So what I do is when I attend their pujas or teachings, I treat them as gurus teaching me but the moment they specifically mention anything which is not acceptable to me (which Buddha taught us to accept what is logical n reject what yr mind don’t agree..right?) So I just listen, absorbed what I wanna adopt from the teaching n the rest not acceptable I let go. In this manner. We still learn. The prob with alot of so called “learned” Buddhists think. They are “enlightened” n start to tell people what they must do or learn. That’s where the buck stops! I do get upset cos I’m human but after that, I just let go n I use my judgment to see if I need to learn from them again or not…choices!! This is Malaysia not Tibet. V r free to choose…I laughed at some dharma members who kept hvg negative comments on DS but at home their parents pray to Laduk Kong, Tai Pak Kong, Monkey King, Kuan Kong, Choy San Yeh..etc n yet they never tell my parents off on this but wl fervently tell u off when its DS u r praying to… Hilarious!! Malaysia boleh!!
As I moved into this wonderful path.. I do realise that to each his own la…All religion are beautiful in their own unique way n all it takes is a few individuals with a twisted mind to create turmoils, difference s n even wars in the name of religion…sad.
So just feel free to practise what people want n keep your mouth shut if u don’t like what others are doing. Kindness and compassion is far better than intelligence n arrogance. Look around us. We already hv lots of such people n they need to go n pray more…not so much for enlightenment (which they hv zero even so many years of practice sad to say) but to ask Buddha for clear n calm mind…to see things as they are… Maybe to seek Vajrayogini for clear light n practise emptiness (if we hv the merits)…
If Rinpoche is brave enuf to discuss on DS I guess he is prepared for the outcome… U hv my respect Rinpoche. Though many people in the dharma circle ask me not to listen to his teachings…but then quietly in my mind…by them saying this to me reflect on how deep they practise too. I’m not saying Tsem Rinpoche is God. If he teaches what is good for me I take it n learn. No need to listen what negative comments these self proclaimed. ‘Learned’ dharma people…
Nowadays I prefer to practise on my own n attend whatever pujas I hv an interest as long as I practise compassion n kindness in my body speech n mind..is enough for me. My indebted thanks to the 2 gurus at the 2 centres i go who taught me the correct teachings n way to enlightenment… On Mani Padme Hum-Posted by Connie Fong
Do any of you even keep up with what Tsem Tulku Rinpoche teaches via the internet and in person?? I’m not defending anyone but lets be honest here, open minded and objective. Rinpoche is constantly explaining Lam Rim, Lojong and Tsongkhapa…Personally these behaviors exibited by these people are really atrocious, a very big reflection of what goes on in their minds. I feel pity more than anything for them…They are not practicing compassion, tolerance, paitence, morality/ethics, but show nothing but unfounded anger. It is a real shame to see such discrimination all in the name of the Dalai Lama who would not promote such behavior and if they think these behaviors will get them closer to Buddhahood they need to look in the mirror as it puts them a few steps back. Remember the four immeasurables, eight verses of thought transformation, Noble Eightfold Path , six paramitas and Lam Rim. So very sad to see this all because of a protector practice which isn’t even the main focus…Sad very sad…I weep for you people, you can’t even take the most basic teachings of Buddha to heart….Darn shame.. Dalai Lama or no Dalai Lama you are not practicing Dharma by these actions. Please reflect on what I’ve said, it will do you all some good. A real Dharma practioner would not be so reckless and hot headed by commiting these actions.
Wei Tan left this comment on FB post of this same article:
I’m not even surprised at the hate because it happens all over the place. It’s Easy. to be nice and (reasonably) pleasant when things go their way and things work out to caress their egos. However when suddenly their perceptions and ideal worlds are Disrupted, they lash out like a bunch of spoiled brats not able to get their own ways. That’s when these Classic Close Minded Ignorant Termites come crawling out of the woodwork.
Rinpoche doesn’t even attempt to convert or oppress the practice of others as long as it is in the result of compassion and happiness. I doubt the reason for the blog post is to even put a stop to all this hate. Why? Because if he has got hate all his life and it has not stopped nor has it stopped him, this is Nothing. ‘Haters gon’ hate’ because they cannot be reasoned with. They are the ones who need to stop hating and start thinking clearly, nobody can do that for them. If thinking clearly still means they don’t accept him, then they will use other means to express their disagreement. From the evidence, those haters are not thinking clearly. From what I saw, most of the time they don’t even target DS, they use DS as a means to target Rinpoche. The haters are Nothing to him. He understands Buddhism more than any of those Nasty little Pests (or haters, whatever you want to call them it makes no difference does it). If anything it is to engage with the people who are genuinely confused about this issue. I know I’m slightly confused but I don’t jump to conclusions like saying “Praise DS The Lord!” or the alternative, because I know I don’t know enough on the topic to make such a conclusion (which I still wouldn’t express in such a fan-boy way). It’s probably to show them the difference between people who pretend to Buddhist and appeal to HHDL’s name in convenience and people who at minimum attempt to practice Buddhism with a good motivation as well as those who actually Walk the Talk. Although that’s just my speculation.
There’s a reason behind the things he does, some of which I can’t understand but that doesn’t mean he’s automatically wrong just because I don’t understand it? There’s no logic in that? He could be wrong, (although I am biased to not think so, because he is my guru) but I still think about things he brings up and ask questions in order to come to a logical conclusion from my own thoughts. Anyone who thinks otherwise can only mean that they’re close minded, whether they believe for or against him because they are not open to other points of view.
However in the grand scheme of things, all of this doesn’t even matter. At the end of the day the one’s who decide to wallow in Rage, get Flustered 24/7 and therefore resort to the only means they can try to harm others in order to soothe their Ruffled egos, will get to where the hate train is taking them. Wherever that is, it’s what they deserve. Likewise, people who practice whatever they want to practice, will get to where they deserve to get to based on the nature and strength of their practice. It doesn’t matter whether it’s good or bad, its the law of cause and effect. If one denies that they deny Buddha’s teaching. Then they aren’t a Buddhist, a truth that goes beyond what anyone wants to call themselves.
To be honest I don’t find people who hate interesting anymore. I’ve personally tried it before. It’s so Easy. There’s no Challenge in hating online. Way too Easy. If I’m going to hate you I’ll hate you in you real life face, although I couldn’t be bothered with that either. Oh well, not like I care too much and not like my caring or interest will do anything. I’m Nothing. Our own Karma is coming for us whether we want it to come or not (well actually it’s ongoing but just let me sound cleverer (yes I (Bracketception) did that) than I actually am, it’s my Signature move). Whether it is nice or not nice, is up to us through our actions which stems from our motivations.
I’m not sorry but it’s sad how this turned into another essay I really wanted it not to. I need to vent too… Well, it’s not really venting, it’s just my opinion and therefore I could be wrong. I neither Gain or Lose much from the just giving my opinion. I’m not even talking about being pro DS or pro Tsem Rinpoche or not because it’s not that relevant. As a ‘student’ I know what I’ve been taught by my Guru (whether I practice is another matter) and I try to make an evaluative observation from my knowledge, open to others’ views. Why? I’m not a Close Minded Termite.
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