Dorje Shugden People Do Not Go to the Three Lower Realms
Dear friends around the world,
Last night I addressed more false claims made by the Tibetan leadership to justify banning the practice of the enlightened Protector Dorje Shugden.
One of the reasons the Tibetan leadership has given repeatedly over the years is that Dorje Shugden is a minor practice which is not engaged in by many people. Because of this, they claim that his practice is somehow deviant from mainstream Tibetan Buddhism, done by a small group of people who refuse to follow the main tenets of Buddhism and therefore need to be stamped out by having their practice banned.
First of all, whether the practice is minor or not, is not a valid reason to ban anything. Even if it’s one person, two people or four million people (as in the case of Dorje Shugden), as long as it is their faith, they have the right to choose their own religion and should have the freedom to believe, practice and engage in its rituals. It does not matter how many people engage in something, the number of worshippers is irrelevant in a true democracy.
Second of all, it does not make sense for the Tibetan leadership to give this reason, because of the sheer number of high lamas and monks who are engaging or have engaged in Dorje Shugden’s practice over the years. Between them, these high lamas had tens of thousands of students to whom they transmitted the Dorje Shugden practice, and these students gave it to their own students, and so on and so forth for the last 400 years.
And what makes this reason – that “Dorje Shugden practice is spirit worship” – even more illogical is the Tibetan leadership’s own hypocritical recognition of these lamas’ reincarnations. This links to the main point of last night’s video, which is that the Tibetan leadership say that practicing Dorje Shugden brings you to the three lower realms because it is spirit worship.
In the video, I gave a short explanation about the basis of attainments in Buddhism. Buddhists are taught that attainments arise from keeping our vows, whether it is our Refuge vows, Bodhisattva vows, ordination vows or Tantric vows. However, if you engage in spirit worship, you break your vows which creates the causes for you to go to the three lower realms. How so? Well, if an action can be meritorious and lead to virtuous results, then logically speaking you can conclude that doing the opposite action will lead to negative results.
Therefore the claim that Dorje Shugden sends you to the three lower realms is used by the Tibetan leadership to worry their community into giving up the Dorje Shugden practice because now, it negatively affects your rebirth. According to the Tibetan leadership, they are banning the practice because they do not want people to go to the three lower realms and take rebirth as spirits or worse. And this reasoning is further used by the Tibetan leadership to create a false sense of compassion, because it compels Tibetans to encourage one another to give up the practice. Why? Because you would not want your loved ones going to the three lower realms, would you?
But as I said, the Tibetan leadership’s own actions over the years are perplexing and hypocritical in light of their reasons for banning the practice of Dorje Shugden.
In short, if Dorje Shugden practice sends you to the three lower realms, how come the Tibetan leadership keeps recognizing the reincarnations of lamas who engaged in the practice? Shouldn’t they be spirits or reborn in the hell realms, according to the Tibetan leadership? Some of these lamas passed away before the ban on Dorje Shugden began, which means they practiced Dorje Shugden until their last breath in their previous incarnations. They did not have the ‘chance’ to give up the practice. So shouldn’t these lamas have taken rebirth in the three lower realms? And if they took rebirths as animals, spirits or hell beings, who are the individuals being recognized as their reincarnations?
How come the Tibetan leadership has their own candidate for Domo Geshe Rinpoche’s reincarnation? The previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche was a huge and prominent Dorje Shugden practitioner and he passed away still practicing Dorje Shugden. Since he never gave up this practice of so-called ‘spirit worship’ and supposedly ‘broke’ his vows right until the end of his life, how come he did not take rebirth in the three lower realms as the Tibetan leadership said he would? Even more ironically, why did they recognize a candidate for his reincarnation instead?
Another major example is His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorjechang, the Junior Tutor of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. Kyabje Trijang Dorjechang practiced Dorje Shugden, again till the end of his life, and never gave up the practice. According to the Tibetan leadership, this means that the Dalai Lama’s own tutor died a spirit worshipper and therefore, according their basis for banning the practice, Trijang Rinpoche should have taken rebirth in the three lower realms. So why then is the Dalai Lama himself recognizing the reincarnation of his teacher, Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche?
I gave many other examples of this in last night’s video, including His Holiness the 10th Panchen Lama who is proven to have been a Dorje Shugden practitioner. The Tibetan leadership have a huge global campaign to locate their missing candidate for the position of the 11th Panchen Lama, but why? His previous life passed away as a Shugden practitioner so there should not be an 11th reincarnation. Once again, according to their reasoning for banning the practice, the 10th Panchen Lama should have taken rebirth as a spirit.
So there are many examples of Dorje Shugden-practicing high lamas and monks whose incarnations the Tibetan leadership recognized EVEN THOUGH they said these monks, practitioners and meditation masters would take rebirth in the three lower realms. I also went through a list of some of the more prominent Dorje Shugden practitioners of the last 400 years. Below is the video recording of last night’s live stream so you can watch it again or in case you missed it.
Thank you to those who were able to join me for the live video session. If you have any questions on what I spoke about, leave a comment or ask me during the next live stream. I will be doing more of these in the future and I welcome your participation and questions.
Thank you
Tsem Rinpoche
VIDEO: The Reasons Why People Who Practice Dorje Shugden Do Not Go To the Three Lower Realms
TRANSCRIPT
Hello everyone, my name is Tsem Tulku from Gaden Monastery. Today, we are doing a live transmission teaching. This is really live and not pre-recorded. So if there are little mistakes here and there, please forgive me. Today, I would like to talk about how if you practise Dorje Shugden, do you go to the lower realms or not?
In Buddhism, we know there are six realms of existence according to Lord Buddha’s teachings that we can take rebirth in. The higher realms are the realm of the gods, the demi-gods and then the humans. These are the three higher realms. The three lower realms (Tibetan: Nge Sung) are the hell, the hungry ghost or spirit realm, and the animal realms. Within those realms, there are many divisions, just like there are many types of hells, beginning with the cold and hot hells. Likewise, there are many different types of spirits in the spirit realm.
In general, spirits are beings that have no form. They travel at the speed of thought and they can pass through physical material objects like walls and doors. They can fly and they can travel underground, through water and they can appear in the dark, during the day and night. They can appear anywhere at the speed of thought.
The main cause to take rebirth as a spirit is miserliness and selfishness. So when the spirit takes rebirth from miserliness or selfishness, they abide in that state and it could be like that for hundreds or thousands of years. Some spirits, take rebirth due to a lot of anger. Before they die, something was done to them that made them very angry. Some spirits take rebirth in that form because something violent was done to them or they had unfinished business. They could also have a lot of attachment towards wealth, possessions or towards a person.
There are many reasons why people take rebirth as spirits. Animals can also take rebirth as spirits, not just humans. And spirits they live for varied lives. They can live for just a few minutes right up to hundreds or thousands of years.
So what happens is when a spirit takes rebirth, it is not from good causes, motivation or thinking. A spirit rebirth is usually considered negative. So therefore taking rebirth as a spirit is one of the three lower types of taking rebirth, so we call that ‘nge sung’.
Buddhist Wheel of Life. Click on image to enlarge.
So I reiterate that if you are very attached to a person, object, place or concept and the last thing you think of is that item, you will take rebirth in the form of a spirit that will hang around that object to protect or just to be near that object of your attachment. If anyone gets in the way, some spirits can be quite ferocious. They can be quite damaging and cause grievous harm.
So let us say a person has passed away while living in a house, he or she will feel that the house still belongs to him or her. So if you happen to move in, you will experience supernatural occurrences because they feel you are invading their space. So how are you invading their space? They feel that you are in their house.
Therefore they will disturb you, make things move, make some noises, scare you, push you, touch you, harm you or move things around, to let you know you are in their place.
So generally, a spirit arises from negative thinking, negative thought, negative motivation, negative prayers, attachment, anger, unfinished business, and perhaps when a person died violently or in a very horrific manner, they can return as a spirit.
You may wonder why do people who are victims of crimes or horrific situations have to be punished to reincarnate as spirits? You see, it is not that they are being punished by an outer force, god, Buddha or a deity. They are not being punished when they take rebirth.
The last thought that they had will trigger latent karma to be reborn in various realms. So if they have a certain type of thinking at the time of death and they hold on to it very strongly, they will still return back as a spirit even if they were a victim and some as a harmful spirit because it is not the perpetrator of the crime but more about the attitude of the person who is dying that triggers karma to take rebirth in higher or lower places.
His Holiness Kyabje Zong Dorje Chang. Click on image to enlarge.
Now, I have explained in previous videos, and I am going to repeat myself a little for the sake of the new people who have joined me. I am 52 years old, and at the age of 18, I received the practice of Dorje Shugden among many other practices from my root teacher, who is a master, great scholar, yogi, meditator, and one of the highest incarnate lamas of the Gelugpa school of Buddhism, His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche.
Kyabje Zong Rinpoche is my root guru. He is the one that gave me instruction and direction on how I should live my life and what I should do. It was to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche that I made the promise to become a monk and that I promised to study the dharma. It was also to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche that I promised to do the Dorje Shugden practice for the rest of my life.
According to Tibetan Buddhism, when you make a promise to your lama to do something, no other lama, institution, organisation or monastery can override your lama’s instructions to you. The only person that can release you, or excuse you from the instructions that the lama has given you is the actual lama himself, whom you made the promise to or who gave you the instruction.
So for example, His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche gave me specific instructions to practice Dorje Shugden as a protector to remove obstacles as a lifelong practice. I swore to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and I promised that I would do so. Whether Kyabje Zong Rinpoche is alive or he has passed away, I made a promise. So, this is a matter of spiritual integrity.
Spiritual integrity is whatever you had promised your lama, whether he is alive or has passed away, you must keep it. A promise is a promise and therefore, I am continuing my Dorje Shugden practice under tremendous duress, pressure, and criticism. For practising Dorje Shugden, I am singled out as someone who is against the Dalai Lama. I am criticised for practicing a spirit and demon. I am called vulgar names and my life has been threatened. I have been insulted over and over again on social media because of my practice of Dorje Shugden.
I have been called a Chinese spy – someone who works for the Chinese government, and paid to create schism among the Tibetan communities and by using Dorje Shugden as a means to create schism. The reason for this is because His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama has told people not to practise Dorje Shugden. So in Tibetan society, what the Dalai Lama says is law, it is the rule and must be followed. So if you contradict the Dalai Lama and if you oppose what the Dalai Lama recommends, this is not allowed, unlike what they do with leaders of other countries. In Asian society, we do not say things directly.
In Tibetan society, what the Dalai Lama says is law, it is the rule and must be followed.
They like to infer things and give the other person ‘face’. So in Tibetan society, they always say that you have the option of practising Dorje Shugden. You have the freedom to practise Dorje Shugden. You are allowed to practise Dorje Shugden and you have all the freedom to do so since you have your own monasteries.
This is very deceptive because if you practise Dorje Shugden, you cannot attend the Dalai Lama’s teachings. If you check Tibet.net, the Tibetan exile government’s official website which originates from Dharamsala, North India, Himachal Pradesh, the constitution of the Tibetan government says that if you do not give up Dorje Shugden, you may not attend the Dalai Lama’s teachings. In fact, you may not attend the Dalai Lama’s secular talks. You may not work in the Tibetan government or hold any jobs in the Tibetan government. You may not get treatment in Tibetan government sponsored hospitals, schools and facilities. Yes, that is happening today.
[So, if one of our people here that is in the audience can upload the Tibet.net page that mentions that, then our audience can see. Can one of you do that for me? Can one of you do that? Ok, do you know what I am talking about, Tibet.net, alright? So, upload that up so our audience can see: http://tibet.net/important-issues/dolgyal-shugden/]
You can see clearly in the Tibetan constitution that it is an institutionalised law that you cannot practice Dorje Shugden. [And, you can see a link to a video of His Holiness the Dalai Lama saying this, and one of our people here will put up the link now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQa0mZEtRGA] In this video, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is saying that if you practise Dorje Shugden, please expel them from the monastery. He rejoices in kicking them out of the monastery and he wants them out. If you are afraid to remove them from the monastery, say that the Dalai Lama said so. [There is a video being uploaded now that you can see where the Dalai Lama said that himself].
So, the Tibetan government in-exile has a specific section that deters you from practising your religion – Dorje Shugden. This is not freedom of religion.
When His Holiness the Dalai Lama asked people who practise Dorje Shugden to leave the monastery, this is not meant to be advice to give up Dorje Shugden. That is the Asian way of saying that you do not have a choice. If you do not follow, you will be segregated from mainstream society and that is what is happening to many Dorje Shugden lamas.
Now, imagine a leader of the free world like the Japanese Prime Minister, the American President, the English Prime Minister or the Italian Prime Minister saying, “Anyone who practises Lutheran, Baptist or Catholic faiths may not work in the government, may not come to my talks, may not come for my get-togethers, and may not go to school or seek treatment at the hospitals that belong to the government. Can you imagine a leader of the free world in today’s 21st century, telling people that if you practice a certain religion, you may not enjoy the facilities of every other citizen? This is not democratic!
The Tibetan government in exile in Dharamsala has proclaimed themselves to be a democratic body of governance. If you are democratic, you should give your citizens free speech, free choice of religion and free choice of livelihood. In fact, whatever nationality of Tibetan or faith you practice you are, whether you are black, white, Eastern, Western, American Tibetan, Indian Tibetan, a Tibetan that speaks Tibetan, a Tibetan that does not speak Tibetan, a mixed raced Tibetan, a male Tibetan, female Tibetan, Kagyu, Gelug, Sakya, Nyingma, Bonpo, Muslim, Christian Tibetan, Atheist Tibetan or Dorje Shugden-practising Tibetan, all Tibetan people should be accorded the same equal opportunities from the Tibetan government. Why? This is because the Tibetan government has said that they are democratic.
So in Tibet.net, you can see very clearly there is a section that degrades and discourages the practices of Dorje Shugden, then that is wrong. You show me a single government website in the free world that has a section devoted towards discouraging a religion.
In America where I grew up, there are even people practising Satanism, where they pray to the devil and that is allowed. They pray, they have Wiccan religion, and witchcraft where they pray to elementals, spirits and they harness the power of ghosts. In America, millions of people practice vodou. There are many types of vodou, white and black, and vodou is specifically to harness the power of spirits and to get them to do special favors for you.
You have people that practice Lutheran, Protestant, Mormon, Quaker, Puritan and Amish forms of Christianity. You also have people that practice Baptist and Catholics. You have people that practice Hinduism and all the sub-sets of the beautiful Hindu religion. You have people who are Jews and there are many types of Jewish faith. You have the Hasidic Jews and you have the secular Jews. On the other hand, you have many types of beautiful Muslims in America who practise Islam according to the various sects. You also have the people who practise different traditions of Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, Mahayana Buddhism, Thai Buddhism, Theravadan Buddhism, Tantric Buddhism or Vajrayana Buddhism. You have all types of people in America and as long as you follow the law, no one can discourage you from practising your religion. There is no charter in the US constitution that discourages or encourages any religion, it is all in your own free will. That is the democracy that the Tibetan government says is based on Western democracy.
Now the basis, of this discrimination against Dorje Shugden practitioners as a Buddhist, is the fact that we are supposed to take refuge in the Buddha, in his teachings of the Dharma, and in his Arya level of ordained beings – the Sangha. So, we are supposed to take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha. Namo Guru Beh, Namo Buddhaya, Namo Dharmaya, Namo Sanghaya. Namo Guru Beh means to take refuge in one’s teacher and that is according to Vajrayana.
ན་མོ་གུ་རུ་བྷྱ། ན་མོ་བུདྷཱ་ཡ། ན་མོ་དྷཱརྨཱ་ཡ། ན་མོ་སངྒྷ་ཡ།
བླ་མ་ལ་སྐྱབས་སུ་མཆིའོ། སངས་རྒྱས་ལ་སྐྱབས་སུ་མཆིའོ། ཆོས་ལ་སྐྱབས་སུ་མཆིའོ། དགེ་འདུན་ལ་སྐྱབས་སུ་མཆིའོ།
Translation:
NAMO GURU BEH, NAMO BUDDHA YA, NAMO DHARMA YA, NAMO SANGHA YAI take Refuge in the Guru
I take Refuge in the Buddha
I take Refuge in the Dharma
I take Refuge in the Sangha
Now, if you look at Tibetan Buddhism, there is a plethora of deities that probably were not existent during Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. For example, in Tibetan Buddhism many people pray to the Buddha Guru Rinpoche. He was not existent during Buddha’s time. Many people pray to Lama Tsongkhapa. Lama Tsongkhapa was not existent during Buddha’s time. Many people make statues, worship and meditate on Atisha, Naropa and Tilopa. They worship Shantideva. They were not existent during Buddha’s time. However, Buddha did speak about some of them but mostly he did not speak about any of them.
So, just because the Buddha did not mention it, it does not mean that it is not a valid path. Why? Because when the Buddha gave teachings and after he turned the wheel of Dharma, many people practised these teachings and became fully enlightened beings, and when they became fully enlightened, they became proper objects of refuge. And great examples are like the mahasiddhas Naropa and Tilopa.
Therefore, I say this with the deepest respect to His Holiness, when we practise Dorje Shugden, he has said that we are in danger of demeaning the profound Buddhist path down towards spirit worship. I repeat, His Holiness the Dalai Lama has said on many occasions that if we practise Dorje Shugden, we make Dorje Shugden important and we make him a primary focus of our prayers, then there is a danger we bring the profound path of Tibetan Buddhism down to that of spirit worship.
I fully agree with His Holiness the Dalai Lama. There is no Gelug lama that makes Dorje Shugden higher than the Buddha or makes him higher than Tsongkhapa or makes him higher than any of the Buddhas. None. There has never been. But there are many Gelugpa lamas for the last 400 years who have practised Dorje Shugden 100% all the way.
Now, Dorje Shugden according to Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche‘s text and commentary on his practice [if you wish to download the commentary, then my wonderful team of writers will upload the link to my blog post now, that goes to downloading the set of teachings that His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche gave on Dorje Shugden. It is in Tibetan and English, isn’t it? Ok. They are going to upload it now for you: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/ tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/music-delighting-the-ocean-of-protectors-a-definitive-guide-to-dorje-shugden-by-trijang-rinpoche.html] Now, you can download it anytime when you’re free.
Now, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche is not an ordinary person, he is not an ordinary lama, ordinary being, ordinary Geshe and certainly not an ordinary practitioner. His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was chosen, back in the early 1950s, by the Regent of Tibet, by the oracles of Tibet, by the great learned masters of Gaden, Drepung and Sera, to be the tutor to His Holiness 14th Dalai Lama.
Now think about that. The 14th Dalai Lama is the emanation of Avalokiteshvara. He is the Buddha incarnate, the Buddha of Compassion incarnate. I believe in this. In Tibet, they are not going to simply choose any lama to be his guru. You have to understand, the incarnation of Avalokiteshvara/Chenrezig is going to prostrate to this monk. He is going to get teachings, transmissions, mantras, Mantrayana, initiations, commentaries and the whole plethora of what the Buddha taught of Sutra and Tantra, from this master.
So, do you think the Tibetan government of that time, the Tibetan high lamas and the oracles will pick any Tom, Dick or Harry lama to be the Dalai Lama’s tutor? Definitely not.
So, out of the thousands of very attained, enlightened and erudite, scholastic masters of Gaden, Sera and Drepung, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was definitively chosen to guide the education of the young Dalai Lama, to give the vows, transmissions and teachings of the whole corpus of the Kangyur and Tangyur, the spoken and commentarial teachings of Lord Buddha and his luminaries, to this master.
Today, the Dalai Lama is arguably one of greatest Buddhist masters that has ever graced this planet. When he talks, thousands attend his teachings. Definitely, he is an erudite scholar, great master and an attained Buddhist monk. This came from his teacher, His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang. Trijang Dorje Chang was chosen to teach the Dalai Lama, to guide the Dalai Lama and was considered one of the best, which he is.
Now, for the last 30 – 40 years of Trijang Rinpoche’s life, his previous incarnation, he focused 100% on educating the 14th Dalai Lama from a very young age all the way up to the passing of his exams as a Geshe. So, Trijang Rinpoche poured his vast knowledge, poured his vast amount teachings, knowledge, and commentaries to the young Dalai Lama. And the Dalai Lama, because of the kindness of his root guru, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and along with Kyabje Ling Dorje Chang, became the erudite scholar that he is today.
Now, the Tibetan leadership amongst other people who like to talk, have said, ”If you practise Dorje Shugden, then you will go to the Three Lower Realms.” The Three Lower Realms meaning taking rebirth as a spirit/ghost, animal or in hell, because you break your Refuge Vows. Now what are the Refuge Vows? There are three of the body, four of the speech and three of the mind.
The refuge vows – three of the body: not killing, not stealing and no sexual misconduct. Four of the speech is divisive speech, harsh words, idle chatter and lying. So, you can’t lie. Then three of the mind is envy, hatred, malice and wrong views.
So, when we take refuge from our Gurus –
Namo Guru Beh
Namo Buddha Ya
Name Dharma Ya
Namo Sangha Ya
We have promised everyone from that day on to avoid these ten negative actions which form are our Refuge Vows. From the basis of our Refuge Vows, we are able to do meditation, practice and gain the blessings of the lineage. From the basis of the Refuge Vows, we can take Monk and Nun Vows. From the basis of the Refuge Vows, we can take the Bodhisattva Vows to generate Bodhicitta – Jangchub Sempa Gyepa.
From the basis of the refuge vows, we can take on Tantrayana Vows — the vows of tantra that are enshrined in Sang De Jig Sum according to the path of Lama Tsongkhapa Chenpo which is Yamantaka, Guhyasamaja and Heruka.
So the path of Mantrayana, to gain attainments, one has to take on the vows of Tantrayana and those are based on the Vows of Bodhicitta — Bodhisattva Vows — and that is based on the Vows of Refuge. So, if your Refuge Vows are broken, everything is gone.
From your Refuge Vows, that is your tsigden, that is your foundation. Your Bodhisattva Vows are like the walls, and your Tantric Vows are like the roof. Just to give you a little symbolism or imagery.
So, if you remove the foundation, the walls will collapse and the roof comes crashing down. So that is what the Tibetan leadership has mentioned, that if you practise Dorje Shugden, you break your Refuge Vows. You break and damage your Refuge Vows because you break your Refuge Vows then on that basis, you break your Bodhisattva Vows and Tantric Vows. So, any practices you do on Heruka, Yamantaka, Guhyasamaja, Kalachakra, Hevajra, Vajrakilaya, etc. will bear no fruit because the result of us gaining attainments is based on holding the vows correctly.
I repeat. The basis of us gaining attainments from our meditational practice on tantra is based on holding our vows very well. Now, if your vows are broken, you are basically reciting empty mantras. For example, if you remove the engine of the car, the car looks like a car, it has the wheels, it has a steering, it has seats, it has everything but it is not going to go anywhere. So basically, if you practise Dorje Shugden, it is like removing the engine of your spiritual car. That is what the (Tibetan) leadership is telling us.
Now, be it so, Let us examine this a little deeper. So, are you telling me that Trijang Rinpoche, the Root Guru of the Dalai Lama broke his Refuge Vows? Broke his Bodhisattva Vows? Broke his Tantrayana Vows?
He practised Dorje Shugden till the end of his life. His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang lived till 81 years old and everything that he had received from his gurus is broken, is not valid and impotent just because he practised Dorje Shugden? That is what the Tibetan leadership is telling us.
So, if that is the case then whatever teachings Trijang Rinpoche has, is broken, is impotent and has no blessings because he worshipped a spirit — the spirit of Dorje Shugden. Therefore, whatever he gave the Dalai Lama is also broken, not relevant, not powerful, and has no blessings. So does that mean the Dalai Lama has been giving teachings to the whole world that came from a spirit worshipper? Is that possible?
Does that make sense?
In Gaden Monastery, there is a great stupa that has been there for 30 – 40 years. That is the stupa of Trijang Rinpoche, because when a high lama passes away, you cremate their body, you enshrine them inside a stupa, and people will circumambulate around the stupa.
Well, there is a stupa of Trijang Rinpoche in Gaden Monastery now. So is that stupa invalid? It is a stupa of a being that worshiped a spirit, Dorje Shugden. Does that make sense to you? It does not make sense to me. So why isn’t that stupa removed? Why are hundreds of Gaden monks today circumambulating around Trijang Rinpoche’s stupa? It does not make sense. Wouldn’t you remove all of that from the monastery, of a spirit worshipper?
The stupas of H.H. Kyabje Trijang Dorjechang and H.H. Kyabje Zong Dorjechang in Gaden Shartse Monastery. Click in image to enlarge.
Now, let us get a little bit more interesting. His Holiness in his skilful way has said, “If you practise Dorje Shugden, you will take rebirth into the Three Lower Realms, definitively.” I repeat, “If you pray to Dorje Shugden, you will take rebirth into the Three Lower Realms.”
So, Dorje Shugden’s practice has been around since the times of the Sakya. Some of the greatest Sakya luminaries and masters practised Dorje Shugden, initiated people into Dorje Shugden’s practice and taught Dorje Shugden. Some of the greatest Sakya masters have practised Dorje Shugden, one of the greatest recently is His Holiness the great Sakya Trizin Dragshul Trinley, a very great master, and he was highly attained.
A close-up of the 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen
Now, if you practise Dorje Shugden, you go to the Three Lower Realms after your death and that means you become a spirit or you take rebirth in hell. So if that is the case, there can be no incarnate lamas who practise Dorje Shugden and their incarnations should not come back. I repeat, if you practise Dorje Shugden, when you die, you must go to the Three Lower Realms. If you do not go to the Three Lower Realms then what they are telling us about Dorje Shugden is wrong.
Well, my question is this, you have all these lamas, and these lamas all practise Dorje Shugden, and those are just a few of them who practise Dorje Shugden. Let me read you some of their names because there are so many in the last 400 years.
The 35th Sakya Throne Holder Tashi Rinchen, The 33rd Sakya Throne Holder Pema Dudul Wangchuk, The 31st Sakya Throne Holder Kunga Lodro, The 30th Sakya Throne Holder Sonam Rinchen.
Now these Sakya masters, some of them have even composed prayers, kangsols [fulfilment rituals], or pujas to Dorje Shugden. Not only do they pray, the also composed, and I have some of their compositions: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dorje-shugden-lineage-holders-in-the-sakya-tradition-sonam-rinchen-kunga-lodro.html
Dorje Chang Gyeltsen Shakya, Gen Lamrimpa, Radong Rinpoche, Kyabje Denma Locho Rinpoche, Ngawang Lobsang Damcho Gyaltsen, Khenchen Ngawang Gyatso, Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tenpa, Kangyur Rinpoche, Kangsar Rinpoche Thubten Kunga, Keutsang Rinpoche, Gyelse Rinpoche, Lobsang Sherab Rinpoche, Amchok Rinpoche, Achok Rinpoche, Geshe Puntsok Gyeltsen, Dungkar Rinpoche Lobsang Trinley, Laza Rinpoche, Kardze Rinpoche, Drubchen Rinpoche, Phuntsog Rinpoche, Gyara Rinpoche, Tripon Rinpoche, Geshe Tenpa, Zhaphel Rinpoche, Meli Kyabgon Rinpoche, Jampa Khedup Rinpoche, Neshe Tulku Rinpoche, Tulku Lobsang Phuntsok, Khursang Rinpoche, Lhasang Rinpoche, Nyima Rinpoche, Geshe Jampa Khetsun, Khen Rinpoche Jampa Tsondu, Trichen Lama, Nyedru Rinpoche, Panglung Rinpoche, Geshe Sonam Gyeltsen, Lithang Kyabgon Rinpoche, Khenpo Geshe Lobsang Jinpa, Trehor Kyorpen Rinpoche, Usu Lobsang Tenzin, Tulku Lobsang Yeshe, Phagpa Lha Rinpoche, Dartse Tulku Rinpoche, Dukhor Tulku Tenzin Gelek Namgyal, Gyeltsen Shakya Rinpoche, Kongdong Rinpoche, Drakyab Anor Rinpoche Lobsang Gyeltsen, Ngawang Lobsang Tenpei Gyaltsen Senge, Lama Drapa Tharyi, Lama Karma Gyaltsen, Gen Pema Dorje, Yongzin Thupten Dhampa, Chultul Gyaltsen Damchoe, Ngachen Rinpoche, Lama Lobsang Ngudup, Namkha Tenzin Wangchuk, Khyungser Trichen Rinpoche, Gen Rabgye, Gen Jamyang Gyatso, Chocktrul Tenpae Ngima, Jetsun Jampal Dorje, Damchoe Ringchen Jungni, Ngyitul Rinpoche, Geshe Singgey Rinpoche, Dhomeypa Yonten Gyatso, Domo Geshe Rinpoche, Lama Sakya Rinpoche, Geshe Konchok Gyaltsen, Geshe Jangchub Gyaltsen, Geshe Lobsang Jinpa, Geshe Lobsang Phuntsok, Panglung Kuten Drugpa, Panglung Kuten Dunpa, Ladakh Kuten, Jampa Losang, Sharpei Rinpoche, Simla Kuten, Samdup Rinpoche, Khamgyuk Rinpoche, Kangsar Rinpoche, Chutrikang Rinpoche, Geshe Thubten Loden, Karchen Lobsang Choedar, Bumdrub Rinpoche, Lama Jamyang Khedrup Rinpoche, Geshe Lobsang Phende, Kensur Tenzin Sherab, Kunchen Jamyang Shedpa.
A list of masters who practise Dorje Shugden. Click on image to enlarge.
These are just some of the lamas that I’ve read to you that practised Dorje Shugden, definitively, openly and conclusively without any doubt.
Now we have another set of Lamas who practised Dorje Shugden, who give Dorje Shugden initiation, give Dorje Shugden practice and promote Dorje Shugden.
Another list of masters who practise or did practise Dorje Shugden before. Click on image to enlarge.
Kyabje Pabongka Dorje Chang Dangpo, Kyabje Pabongka Choktrul Rinpoche Nyepa, Kyabje Choktrul Rinpoche Sumpa, Trijang Dorje Chang, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Dorje Chang, Kyabje Domo Geshe Choktrul Rinpoche, Gehse Rabten, Geshe Rabten Choktrul Rinpoche, Sharpa Choeje Jetsun Lobsang Nyima Pelsangpo, Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche, Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche, Serkong Dorje Chang, Serkong Dorje Chang Goma, Geshe Tendar Rinpoche, Geshe Tendar Choktrul Rinpoche, Gaden Tripa Gyachikpa Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal Pelsangpo, that is the 101st Holder of the Gaden Throne, His Holiness Gaden Tripa Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal. Also the Holder of the Gaden Throne is a great Dorje Shugden practitioner. Panchen Lama Gungpa, the 9th Panchen Lama, the 10th Panchen Lama, Dhapu Bamcho Rinpoche, Thubten Tulku Rinpoche, Kensur Ngawang Thekchok Sera Mey, Lama Yeshe, Nechung Rinpoche Ogyen Thinley, Taktra Rinpoche, Kyabje Gangchen Rinpoche, Sogpu Rinpoche Guru Deva, Gyara Rinpoche, Kensur Rinpoche Jetsun Lobsang Ngodrob, Gosok Rinpoche, Kensur Lobsang Tharchin, Kyabje Dragom Rinpoche, Kyabje Lati Rinpoche, Kyabje Kensur Rinpoche Jetsun Jampa Yeshe, Kyabje Dagyab Rinpoche, Kyabje Gelek Rinpoche, Hutuktu Kaka Jetsun Dampa, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, Kyabje Zasep Rinpoche, Kyabje Khejok Rinpoche, Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk, Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche, Geshe Khenrab Gajam, Geshe Tsultrim Tenzin Rinpoche, Rongtha Gyabgon Rinpoche, Geshe Tsultim Gyeltsen, Kyabje Denma Gonsa Rinpoche, Kyabje Denma Choktrul Rinpoche, Denma Gonsar Choktrul Rinpoche, Dagri Rinpoche, Khensur Lobsang Tsephel, Ajing Rinpoche, Jampa Choeje Pelsangpo Rinpoche, Zongluo Rinpoche, Khejok Rinpoche, Tenchok Rinpoche, Drakyab Tokden Rinpoche, Tsawa Pulthok Rinpoche, Serkong Tritul Rinpoche, Geshe Konchok Tsering, Kensur Jetsun Konchok Tsering Rinpoche, Gyatso Rinpoche, Ribur Rinpoche, Gyuto Kensur Jetsun Lobsang Denpa, Kari Rinpoche, Zawa Rinpoche, Chiara Rinpoche Sumpa, Khenpo Shangpa Yongten, Changkya Rinpoche, Rinchen Gonpo Rinpoche, Rinchen Gonpo Choktrul Rinpoche, Geshe Lobsang Khedrub, Daknak Rinpoche, Buton Rinpoche, Para Rinpoche, Geshe Wangchuk, Gonsar Rinpoche Gukorma, Gonsar Choktrul Rinpohce, Kensur Ngawang Dakpa Rinpoche, Tri-Yongzin Rinpoche, Sera Mey Kangyur Rinpoche, Geshe Thubten Rinpoche, Kensur Rinpoche Jetsun Lobsang Pendey Shar Gaden-ki Kensur, Kyabje Rato Rinpoche, Geshe Ngawang Dhargyey, Kundeling Rinpoche, Geshe Tenzin Dorje, Jamseng Rinpoche, Panchen Lama and Dukor Rinpoche, Geshe Gelek Gyatso, Khensur Lobsang Tenpa, Je Gungthang Rinpoche, Jampa Rinpoche, Rato Chowar Rinpoche, Lama Thubten Phurbu Rinpoche, Zava Damdin Rinpoche, Tsako Ngawang Drakpa, Choden Rinpoche, Khachen Losang Zopa Rinpoche, the 102nd Gaden Tripa, Choyang Duldzin Kuten, Sangtsang Rinpoche, Doboom Tulku Rinpoche, Serkong Rinpoche, Khensur Sonam Gyaltsen, Duldzin Drakpa Gyeltsen, Lama Michel Rinpoche, Samdhong Rinpoche, Sakya Trizin Kunga Nyingpo, Sakya Trizin Dragshul Thrinley Rinchen.
Those are some of the lamas that practice Dorje Shugden or did practice before. So that’s quite a lot.
དཔལ་ལྡན་གྲོ་མོ་དགེ་བཤེས་རིན་པོ་ཆེ། གཡས་ཕྱོགས་སུ་ཡོད་པ་ནི་༧སྐྱབས་རྗེ་ཁྲི་བྱང་མཆོག་སྤྲུལ་རིན་པོ་ཆེས་ངོས་འཛིན་གནང་པའི་དཔལ་ལྡན་གྲོ་མོ་དགེ་བཤེས་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་སྐུ་ཕྲེང་གསུམ་པ་མཆོག་རེད། སྐུ་ཉིད་གྲོ་མོ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་སྐུ་གོང་མའི་ཡང་སྲིད་ཡིན་པ་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་བ་ཡོངས་ཀྱིས་ངོས་ལེན་གནང་། དེར་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་འཇིག་རྟེན་ལས་འདས་པའི་སྲུང་མ་ཡིན་པ་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་རྣམས་ལ་ཡིད་ཆེས་ཡོད་པ་དེར་ཁོང་ཚོས་དགག་ལན་གང་ཡང་མེད་པ་རེད། རྒྱུ་མཚན་དེ་ལ་བརྟེན་ནས་ཁོང་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་མཁན་གྱི་སྐྱེས་བུ་དམ་པས་སོ་སོའི་སྡོམ་པ་ལས་འགལ་གྱི་མེད་པ་དང་ཁོང་ཚོ་ངན་སོང་དུ་ཡང་མི་ལྷུང་། དེར་ཁོང་རྣམས་མི་ལུས་རྟེན་ལ་སྐུ་འཁྲུངས་ཏེ་ཡང་སྲིད་དུ་ངོས་འཛིན་ཞིང་འགྲོ་བ་ཡོངས་ཀྱི་དོན་དུ་ཆོས་ཀྱི་འཁོར་ལོ་སྐོར་རོ། ཆེ་རུ་གཏང་བར་གནན་རོ།། His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche. On the far right is the 3rd Domo Geshe Rinpoche recognized by H.H. Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche. This reincarnation is widely accepted by all Dorje Shugden practitioners to be the true incarnation of the previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche. There is no contradiction at all because Dorje Shugden practitioners believe that Dorje Shugden is a fully enlightened Dharma Protector. Thus the great masters who practiced him are not breaking any vows and will not go to the three lower realms, and will definitely reincarnate into another human form to be recognized, enthroned and continue turning the wheel of Dharma to benefit all sentient beings. Click on image to enlarge.
གྲོ་མོ་དགེ་བཤེས་རིན་པོ་ཆེའི་འོད་དམིགས་གཞན་པ་༧གོང་ས་མཆོག་གིས་ངོས་འཛིན་གནང་། ཡང་སྲིད་ངོས་འཛིན་འདི་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་སྤྱི་ཡོངས་ནས་ངོས་ལེན་བྱེད་མེད་པ་དང་། བོད་གཞུང་གིས་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་འདོན་འདྲེ་ཡིན་ཚུལ་གྱི་སྐྱོན་བརྗོད་འདི་ལ་འགག་པ་ཐད་ཀར་རྒྱག་ཡོད་རེད། གྲོ་མོ་དགེ་བཤེས་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་སྐུ་ཕྲེང་གཉིས་པ། ཁོང་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་མཁན་ཡོངས་གྲགས་ཅན་ཞིག་རེད། བོད་གཞུང་གི་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བཀག་སྡོམ་གཞི་བཟུང་བྱས་ན་ཁོང་ངན་སོང་དུ་ལྷུང་དགོས། གྲོ་མོ་དགེ་བཤེས་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་སྐུ་ཕྲེང་གཉིས་པ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་མཁན་ཡིན་ཙང་ཁོང་དམྱལ་བ་ལ་སྐྱེ་དགོས་ཀྱི་ཡོད་ཡང་། ད་དུང་བོད་གཞུང་དེས་ཁོང་གི་ཡང་སྲིད་ངོས་འཛིན་པར་ཨུ་ཚུག་ཚ་པོ་གང་འདྲ་རེད། ཁོ་ཚོའི་རིག་པ་ལ་བསྟུན་ན། ཁོང་རང་ཚོ་སོ་སོའི་ཡང་སྲིད་འོས་དམིགས་འདི་ཡང་སྲིད་ནོར་ཡོད་པ་སྟོན། བོད་གཞུང་གིས་གྲོ་མོ་དགེ་བཤེས་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ངོས་འཛིན་ཞུ་བ་འདི་རྒྱུ་མཚན་དང་འགལ་བས། དེར་ཁོང་ཚོས་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་བཀག་སྡོམ་བྱེད་པ་དེ་ཁོང་ཚོའི་འཐབ་འཛིང་དང་མི་མཐུན། The other Domo Geshe Rinpoche candidate who was recognized by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. This ‘recognition’ is not accepted by the majority of the Dorje Shugden practitioners and directly contradicts the Tibetan leadership’s claim that Dorje Shugden worship is a form of spirit practice. The 2nd Domo Geshe Rinpoche was a prominent Dorje Shugden practitioner and according to the Tibetan leadership’s arguments for banning Shugden practice, he should have taken rebirth in the three lower realms. Why then has the CTA been so insistent on recognizing his reincarnation if, according to them, the 2nd Domo Geshe Rinpoche as a Shugden worshipper, took rebirth in the lower realms? According to their logic, it would therefore make their candidate a fake reincarnation. The CTA’s recognition of a Domo Geshe Rinpoche candidate is therefore illogical, hypocritical and does not fall in line with any of their arguments for banning Dorje Shugden practice.
[My Writers will put up the picture] Now, the 1st Domo Geshe Rinpoche practised Dorje Shugden. When he died, his incarnation came back and resume the practice of Dorje Shugden. He passed away and his incarnation is recognised by the Tibetan government. The interesting thing is there are two Domo Geshe Rinpoches. One is recognised by the Tibetan government, and another one is recognised by the Dorje Shugden monasteries.
Now, my question is if the 1st Domo Geshe Rinpoche practised Dorje Shugden, and the 2nd Domo Geshe Rinpoche practised Dorje Shugden, why does the Tibetan government recognize the 3rd Domo Geshe Rinpoche? Shouldn’t he already be in the Three Lower Realms? So by the Tibetan government recognising the 3rd Domo Geshe Rinpoche, they are contradicting their own information on Dorje Shugden. They said Dorje Shugden practitioners go to the Three Lower Realms even if you are a high lama. So how come they recognised the 3rd Domo Geshe Rinpoche? He practised Dorje Shugden. They contradict themselves.
Kyabje Lati Rinpoche whom I knew personally encouraged me and told me to practise Dorje Shugden. And when I had difficulties, he told me to consult Dorje Shugden through the oracle. Lati Rinpoche told me that and he was the one who asked me to come to Malaysia and give teachings in Malaysia. Many of my students had the honour and privilege to meet Lati Rinpoche.
Well, Kyabje Lati Rinpoche has passed away and his incarnation is back. I know Lati Rinpoche practised Dorje Shugden. If he practised Dorje Shugden, how come His Holiness the Dalai Lama recognised his incarnation? Should he not have gone to the Three Lower Realms? I am not saying he should. I am not saying he did. I am saying there is contradiction in the teachings.
Geshe Rabten who was sent to Switzerland by the 14th Dalai Lama to give teachings, was the masters of masters, a great erudite master, a very highly attained meditator who spent over 13 – 14 years in Dharamsala meditating before he went to Switzerland to give teachings.
Geshe Rabten was a Dorje Shugden practitioner until the very end. He never gave up. How come his incarnation is back? The Dalai Lama recognised his incarnation. The Dalai Lama found his incarnation and he agrees with his incarnation. So his incarnation is back. If he practiced Dorje Shugden, how come he did not go to the Three Lower Realms.
Gyara Rinpoche is another one who practised Dorje Shugden, and his incarnation is back. He did not go to the Three Lower Realms.
The 1st Serkong Dorje Chang Jetsun Ngawang Tsultrim Donden was a very powerful and erudite Dorje Shugden practitioner of Gaden Jangtse Monastery. He passed away and his incarnation came back as the 2nd Serkong Dorje Chang Jetsun Thubten Tsewang. He passed away, and this is his current incarnation. His current incarnation is also recognised by the Tibetan government. So how come he did not go to the Three Lower Realms. Why is the Tibetan government recognising lamas that practised Dorje Shugden and then they said their incarnations came back? It does not make sense.
ཆོས་སྐྱོང་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་འདི་བསྟེན་གསོལ་བྱེད་པ་ཡིན་ན། སོ་སོའི་ཉམས་ལེན་དང་འགལ་གྱི་ཡོད་རེད། སོ་སོའི་སྡོམ་པ་དང་འགལ། སོ་སོའི་སྐྱབས་འགྲོའི་སྡོམ་པ་དང་འགལ་གསུངས། དེར་སོ་སོའི་སྡོམ་པ་དང་འགལ་བ་ཡིན་ན། ངན་སོང་ལ་མ་གཏོགས་སྐྱེས་ས་མེད་པ་རེད། ངན་སོང་ལ་སྐྱེས་ཀྱི་ཡོད་པ་ཡིན་ན། ཆོས་སྐྱོང་བསྟེན་མཁན་བླ་མ་འདི་དག་ངན་སོང་ལ་མི་སྐྱེས་པ་གང་ཡིན་ནམ།
བླ་མ་འདི་དག་གི་ཡང་སྲིད་ཕེབས་དུས་༧གོང་ས་མཆོག་ཁོང་རང་གིས་ཕྱག་རྟགས་ཡང་གནང་གིན་འདུག །། ༧གོང་ས་མཆོག་ཁོང་རང་གིས་ཕྱག་རྟགས་གནང་པ་ཡིན་དུས། སྐད་ཆ་འདི་ཉིད་རྭ་སྤྲོད་ཀྱི་མིན་འདུག ། སྐད་ཆ་དེ་ཕྱིར་ནང་ལོག་གི་འདུག ། ཆོས་སྐྱོང་བསྟེན་པ་ཡིན་ན་ངན་སོང་ལ་སྐྱེས་ཞེས། ངན་སོང་ལ་སྐྱེས་ཀྱི་ཡོད་ན་བླ་མ་འདི་དག་གི་ཡང་སྲིད་གང་འདྲ་ཕེབས་པ་ཡིན་ནམ། སྐད་ཆ་འདི་དངོས་ནས་རྭ་སྤྲོད་ཀྱི་མིན་འདུག།། བོད་གཞུང་ཁོ་རང་ཚོས་གདན་ས་གསུམ་གྱི་ཆོས་སྐྱོང་བསྟེན་མཁན་བླ་མ་དེ་དག་གི་ཡང་སྲིད་ངོས་འཛིན་གནང་གི་འདུག ། འདི་འདྲ་བྱེད་དུས་ཁོ་རང་ཚོའི་སྐད་ཆ་དེ་མཐུན་གྱི་མིན་འདུག །གང་འདྲ་བྱེད་ནས་ཕྱིས་ནང་ལོག་གི་འདུག་ཟེར་ན། ཆོས་སྐྱོང་བསྟེན་པ་ཡིན་ན་སོ་སོའི་སྐྱབས་འགྲོའི་སྡོམ་པ་དང་འགལ་ཞེས། སྐྱབས་འགྲོའི་སྡོམ་པ་ཞེས་པ་འདི་ནི་ང་རང་ཚོའི་རྩ་བའི་སྡོམ་པ་རེད། སྐྱབས་འགྲོའི་སྡོམ་པ་ཡོད་ན་ང་ཚོའི་དགེ་ཚུལ་དང་དགེ་སློང་གི་སྡོམ་པ་ཞུ་ཆོག་གི་རེད། དེ་ནས་སྐྱབས་འགྲོའི་སྡོམ་པ་ཡོད་ན་ང་ཚོའི་བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྡོམ་པ་དང་སྔགས་ཀྱི་སྡོམ་པ་ཡང་ཞུ་ཆོག །གལ་ཏེ་སྐྱབས་འགྲོའི་སྡོམ་པ་དང་འགལ་བ་ཡིན་ན། ང་ཚོའི་དགེ་ཚུལ་དང་དགེ་སློང་སྡོམ་པ། བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྡོམ་པ། གསང་སྔགས་ཀྱི་སྡོམ་པ་ཆ་ཚང་དང་འགལ་ཚར་པ་རེད། དེར་ང་ཚོས་ཉམས་ལེན་བྱེད་ནའང་རྒྱུད་ལ་རྟོགས་པ་སྐྱེས་ཐུབ་ཀྱི་མ་རེད། རྟོགས་པ་སྐྱེས་ཐུབ་ཀྱི་མེད་པ་ཡིན་ན་ང་ཚོས་ཉམས་ལེན་བྱེད་དགོས་འདུག་གམ། ཆོས་སྐྱོང་འདི་བསྟེན་གསོལ་བྱེད་ན། སོ་སོ་ངན་སོང་དུ་སྐྱེས། དམྱལ་བ། ཡི་དྭགས། དུད་འགྲོ་གང་རུང་ལ་སྐྱེས་ཞེས་༧སྐྱབས་མགོན་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་དང་བོད་གཞུང་གཉིས་ཀྱིས་དེ་འདྲ་གསུངས། ངན་སོང་ཞེས་པ་ནི། དམྱལ་བ། ཡི་དྭགས། དུད་འགྲོ་གསུམ་ཡིན།
ཕྱོགས་གཅིག་ན་དམྱལ་བ། ཡི་དྭགས། དུད་འགྲོ་དུ་སྐྱེ་ཞེས། ཕྱོགས་གཅིག་ན་བླ་མ་དེ་དག་གི་ཡང་སྲིད་ངོས་འཛིན་དང་ཕྱག་རྟགས་ཡང་གནང་པ་གང་ཡིན་ནམ། སྐད་ཆ་དེ་ཉིད་རྭ་མི་སྤྲོད། དེ་ནས་ཆོས་སྐྱོང་བསྟེན་མཁན་བླ་མ་མང་ཆེ་བ་ཡང་སྲིད་ཕེབས་ཡོད་པ་རེད།དེ་བཞིན་༧རྒྱལ་བ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཁོང་རང་གིས་ངོས་འཛིན་གནང་ནས་ཕྱག་རྟགས་གནང་།
Translation:
If you practise Dorje Shugden, you will be going against your other practices. You will be breaking your vows, and you will be breaking your refuge vows. If you break your refuge vows, you will take rebirth in the Three Lower Realms. If this is true, how come all these lamas reincarnated even though they used to practise Dorje Shugden? His Holiness himself has recognised these reincarnated lamas. Since the Dalai Lama himself approved these lamas it does not make any sense. If the one who practises Dorje Shugden takes rebirth in the Three Lower Realms, how come all these lamas come back?Therefore, the Tibetan government itself recognises the reincarnations of Dorje Shugden lamas of the three great monasteries. If they approve of those lamas who are reincarnations of Dorje Shugden lamas, then what they say is not true. How is it not true? Because they say if you practise Dorje Shugden, you will break your refuge vows.
The refuge vows are our root vows. One who has refuge vows can take novice monastic vows and full-ordination vows. In addition, you can take the Bodhisattva vows and the Tantric vows. If you break your refuge vows that means you also break your novice and full-ordination vows, as well as Bodhisattva vows and Tantric vows. So after that, even if you practise, you will not achieve any attainments. If you cannot achieve attainments, why should we practise?
However, His Holiness and the Tibetan government say that if you practise Dorje Shugden, you will take rebirth in Three Lower Realms, the animal realm, the hungry ghost realm, and the hell realm. These are the Three Lower Realms. So, you will take rebirth in one of these realms. But at the same time, they recognise reincarnations of these lamas and approve of them. It does not makes sense. And most of these Dorje Shugden lama’s incarnations have come back. His Holiness himself has recognised and approved them.
So it does not make sense because the Tibetan government says that if we practise Dorje Shugden, we go to the Three Lower Realms. If we go to the Three Lower Realms, how come the Tibetan government themselves are recognising these lamas and installing them in the monasteries. Which one is it? Do you go to hell or do you not go to hell?
So these lamas do not go to the Three Lower Realms, to the hell, the animal and the ghost realms. Then, people like us, normal people like us who believe in these lamas, take refuge in them and practise Dorje Shugden also should not go to the Three Lower Realms. Doesn’t this make a lot of sense?
Panglung Rinpoche, Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche, Zawa Rinpoche, they are all Dorje Shugden practitioners from their previous lives and also in this life. Their incarnations are back.
My first root guru, Kensur Rinpoche Sera Mey Jetsun Losang Tharchin was a lifelong Dorje Shugden practitioner. He received his Dorje Shugden life-entrustment initiation (sogtae) from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. I know that.
So Kensur Losang Tharchin Rinpoche received his Dorje Shugden practice and initiation from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He practised Dorje Shugden his whole life and passed away. The Dalai Lama found his new incarnation and he recognised his new incarnation, and he is back. So how is that possible?
Then the great master, the great Tantric luminary, the great sutra holder, the vinaya holder, Gaden Shartse Nyari Khangtsen Sharpa Choeje Jetsun Lobsang Nyima Pelsangpo was one of the greatest tantric masters, retreatants and attained lineage holders that I have ever met in my life. He was from Gaden Shartse Monastery. He was one of my gurus. He passed away and his incarnation came back. And his incarnation is in Gaden Shartse Monastery. So Sharpa Choeje Jetsun Lobsang Nyima’s incarnation is in Gaden Shartse Monastery. He practised Dorje Shugden his whole life and he told me personally. He had never given up on Dorje Shugden. His incarnation is back and recognised by the Tibetan government.
My late Guru Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen was the first person who introduced me to Dorje Shugden and told me to practice Dorje Shugden and encouraged me to practice Dorje Shugden. When I was having difficulties in the US, I was around sixteen to eighteen years old. I was living with this great master, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen-la, and he told me to practice Dorje Shugden. He encouraged me and when he invited Zong Rinpoche, his guru, to America, Zong Rinpoche gave us the life-entrustment initiation of Dorje Shugden, which is called sogtae. He passed away and his incarnation is back and recognised by the Dalai Lama.
Geshe Tendar practised Dorje Shugden and his incarnation is back in Mongolia and he practised Dorje Shugden.
Lama Yeshe is well known for practising Dorje Shugden. He was the starter, the beginner, the inspiration and the founder of the great organisation called FPMT – Foundation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition. Lama Yeshe himself and through his books and teachings, often encouraged people to practise Dorje Shugden. When he passed away, his incarnation came back. How come Lama Yeshe did not go to the three lower realms? Is it because the information from the Tibetan government is perhaps wrong or Dorje Shugden isn’t really a spirit and he is actually Manjushri as our teachers tell us he is? So if you practise him bad things do not happen to you, you do not take bad rebirth.
Okay, the great master Gaden Shartse Pukhang Khari Kentrul Rinpoche practised Dorje Shugden, a great abbot and teacher of Gaden. His incarnation is back.
Kyabje Denma Gonsa Rinpoche was one of the most famous, well-known masters of Tibet in the current century. Kyabje Denma Gonsa Dorje Chang, when he passed away, his incarnation is back. He has a huge Dorje Shugden chapel in the Kham area of Tibet.
Kyabje Dagom Dorje Chang is one of my gurus and he was another erudite master, a gentle master, a pure monk and a vinaya holder – a real ‘dul wa tzin pa’ – ‘duldzin’. Kyabje Dagom Dorje Chang from Drepung Gomang Monastery practised Dorje Shugden and gave initiation of Dorje Shugden and encouraged me. When he passed away, his undisputed incarnation has returned. How is that possible?
Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche, the one who wrote the Yellow Book, the one who wrote the Yellow Book about how if you practise Nyingma teachings, Dorje Shugden is going to harm you, and so you should not practise Dorje Shugden. When His Holiness the Dalai Lama read the Yellow Book, he decided to start the ban in 1996 that we should not practise Dorje Shugden. Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche passed away and his incarnation is back in Tibet studying very well, bright, perfect, smart, kind and many people go to see him. Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche is back and by the way, the Yellow Book has not been interpreted accurately.
My root guru, His Holiness Kyabje Zong Dorje Chang gave me the Dorje Shugden initiation, practised Dorje Shugden his whole life and gave hundreds of foreigners, both lay non-Tibetans and Tibetans and thousands of monks, the Dorje Shugden life-entrustment initiation. He is back and he is about to finish his Geshe studies. He is perfect, beautiful, educated and he is teaching, and practising Dorje Shugden. How come Zong Rinpoche did not go to the Three Lower Realms. By the way, Zong Rinpoche’s incarnation was found by the Dorje Shugden Oracle and the Dalai Lama simultaneously. I was there and I witnessed it. When Zong Rinpoche was very young, the current Zong Rinpoche, he recognised people from his previous lives and knew them by name. He could remember them clearly. Why didn’t he go to the Three Lower Realms?
Kyabje Ling Rinpoche was not a strong Dorje Shugden practitioner but he respected Dorje Shugden. I repeat, Kyabje Ling Dorje Chang was not a strong Dorje Shugden practitioner but he respected Dorje Shugden because he wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden and his incarnation is back. [My writers now will give you a link to show you in Tibetan and English, the prayers he has written to Dorje Shugden: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/kyabje-ling-rinpoche-does-dorje-shugden.html]
Kyabje Pabongka Dorje Chang, composed the Dorje Shugden puja and prayers. He extracted it from the Sakya and he compiled the prayers for the Gelugpa. He passed away and he gave many initiations of Dorje Shugden. He passed away and his incarnation came back and passed away and this is the current incarnation. The current incarnation is a great master, great scholar, great practitioner of Heruka’s tantra. So if Pabongka Rinpoche was such a bad person, such an evil person, a person that really broke his refuge vows, broke his tantric vows, broke his Bodhisattva vows, how come he can return? Doesn’t that mean there’s something wrong to the whole idea that Dorje Shugden brings you to the Three Lower Realms? This incarnation of Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche was found by the Dalai Lama himself and the Dorje Shugden Oracle. Pabongka Rinpoche’s incarnation is back.
His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang, we all know is one of the root gurus of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and he was a Dorje Shugden practitioner his whole life. He is the guru of all gurus and the guru of tens of thousands of students. All those of my generation and above of Gaden, Sera, Drepung, there is not one person that has not received teachings from Trijang Rinpoche.
He is the one that spread Dorje Shugden’s practice and he is the one that wrote commentaries on Dorje Shugden, he is the one that gave initiations on Dorje Shugden, and he spent his whole life spreading and illuminating the nature of Dorje Shugden. Yet when he passed away, the Dalai Lama personally found his incarnation along with Dorje Shugden’s oracle, so Dorje Shugden’s oracle and the Dalai Lama both found his incarnation and his incarnation is back.
If practising Dorje Shugden is bad as the Dalai Lama has said, “if you practise Dorje Shugden, you will go to the Three Lower Realms.”
༧སྐྱབས་མགོན་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་རྒྱལ་བ་ཡིད་བཞིན་ནོར་བུས་གང་གསུང་གིན་ཡོད་རེད་ཟེར་ན། གལ་ཏེ་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་པ་ཡིན་ན། རང་སོ་སོ་ངན་སོང་དུ་ལྷུང་བ་དང་ངན་སོང་དུ་སྐྱེས་ཟེར། སོ་སོ་ངན་སོང་དུ་སྐྱེ་བ་ཡིན་ན། བླ་མའི་ཡང་སྲིད་གང་འདྲ་ཕེབས་ཀྱི་ཡོད་དམ། བླ་མའི་ཡང་སྲིད་དེ་ཉིད་ལ་༧སྐྱབས་མགོན་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་རང་ཉིད་ཀྱིས་ཕྱག་རྟགས་དང་ངོས་འཛིན་ཡང་གནང་། སྐད་ཆ་འདི་རྭ་སྤྲོད་ཀྱི་མིན་འདུག།། ཡང་ན་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་མཁན་གྱི་བླ་མ་ངན་སོང་དུ་ལྷུང་ཏེ་ཡང་སྲིད་ལེབས་མི་ཐུབ། ཡང་ན་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་པ་ཡིན་ན་གནོད་སྐྱོན་གང་ཡང་མེད་པ་རེད། དེར་བླ་མའི་ཡང་སྲིད་ཕེབས་ཐུབ། རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་པ་ཡིན་ན་ངན་སོང་དུ་ལྷུང་ཞེས་༧རྒྱལ་བ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་རང་ཉིད་ཀྱིས་གསུངས་ཡོད་པས། སྐུ་རང་ཉིད་ཀྱིས་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་མཁན་གྱི་བླ་མ་དེ་ལ་ཕྱག་རྟགས་དང་ངོས་འཛིན་གནང་མི་གནང་ཏེ་སྐུ་པར་ཡང་བཞེས་མི་དགོས། དེར་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་གནང་པ་ཡིན་ན་གནོད་སྐྱོན་གང་ཡང་མིན་འདུག །
Translation:
His Holiness the Dalai lama says that if you practise Dorje Shugden, you will take rebirth in the Three Lower Realms. If you take rebirth in the Three Lower Realms, how come the lamas reincarnate and these reincarnated lamas are approved of by His Holiness himself? It does not makes sense, right? Instead, if you practise Dorje Shugden it should be either you have to take rebirth in the Three Lower Realms or there is no problem to practise Dorje Shugden. There is no harm in practising Dorje Shugden, therefore the lamas reincarnate. His Holiness has himself said that those who practise Dorje Shugden will take rebirth in the Three Lower Realms but he himself has also approved of Dorje Shugden lamas’ reincarnations. So since he approves of Dorje Shugden lamas and takes pictures with them, there is no harm in practising Dorje Shugden, is there?
So there cannot be a fault with Dorje Shugden’s practice because the Dorje Shugden lamas did come back and there were no problems. The very people that say Dorje Shugden is negative, recognise the lamas that practise Dorje Shugden. There is a contradiction here.
Last but not least, His Holiness the 9th Panchen Lama installed a Dorje Shugden chapel in Tashi Lhunpo and I travelled to Tibet myself and visited Tashi Lhunpo Monastery and the Dorje Shugden chapel. I made offerings there and I did black tea (serkym) there and made offerings there and I also took pictures of the chapel.
So the 9th Panchen Lama himself is the second highest lama of Tibet and in his Monastery, Tashi Lhunpo, there is a Dorje Shugden chapel. This is Tashi Lhunpo Monastery and the prayer hall. This is the chapel of Dorje Shugden, this is a chapel in Tashi Lhunpo dedicated by the 9th Panchen Lama to Dorje Shugden. This picture was taken by myself and my team.
So this is the chapel of Dorje Shugden in Tashi Lhunpo Monastery installed by the 9th Panchen Lama. In fact, the 9th Panchen Lama invited Pabongka Rinpoche to Tashi Lhunpo to do the ceremonies.
This is inside the protector chapel [and my team are uploading it for you]. This is the statue commissioned by the 9th Panchen Lama of Dorje Shugden, so this statue is now in Tashi Lhunpo Monastery and was originally installed by the 9th Panchen Lama and worshipped by the 9th Panchen Lama.
The 9th Panchen Lama who installed Dorje Shugden in his monastery, prayed to Dorje Shugden in his monastery. The chapel is still there and he entered clear light and reincarnated as the 10th Panchen Lama. The 10th Panchen Lama also practised Dorje Shugden because I have very close lama friends who are very close to the Panchen Lama, who did Dorje Shugden puja and black tea with him, together.
Read more: The Panchen Lama’s Dorje Shugden Puja Text
So, the 10th Panchen Lama also practised Dorje Shugden, and he passed away, and the 11th Panchen Lama took rebirth. The 11th Panchen Lama was found by Nechung and the Dalai Lama, but he practised Dorje Shugden in his previous life. If he practised Dorje Shugden in his previous life, how come he was able to take rebirth as a human being? So, even the highest of the high practised Dorje Shugden, and they returned back, and the Dalai Lama and Nechung all recognised the incarnations. Does this make sense to you?
The fact that there are two Panchen Lama candidates highlights another method that the Tibetan leadership employs in order to create strife and division in the Tibetan Buddhist community, i.e. by recognizing multiple reincarnations of Dorje Shugden high lamas. By all logic, the Tibetan leadership should not recognize ANY reincarnations of Dorje Shugden lamas because this goes against what they preach, which is that practicing Dorje Shugden leads one to take rebirth in the three lower realms. So why did the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan leadership recognize Gedhun Chökyi Nyima as the 11th Panchen Lama? Why not just announce to the world that there is NO 11th Panchen Lama because the 10th Panchen Lama, a Dorje Shugden practitioner, must have taken rebirth in the three lower realms?
So, this is the evidence I am showing you, that you if practice Dorje Shugden, it is impossible you would go to the Three Lower Realms. It is impossible. There are so many lamas that practised Dorje Shugden, and these are just the topmost lamas, and these are just recently, in the last 100 years that we have pictures. For the last 400 years, there have been thousands of lamas that practised Dorje Shugden and that I have do not have pictures of because there were no cameras, 200, 300, 400 years ago. Just because Dorje Shugden was not mentioned by Lama Tsongkhapa, does not mean you cannot practice Dorje Shugden. Why? There are many highly-realised lamas that came after Lama Tsongkhapa that recognised Dorje Shugden as a genuine emanation of Manjushri.
So, we need to get this straight. If we practice Dorje Shugden, do we go to the Three Lower Realms? If we go to the Three Lower Realms, why are the teachers of Dorje Shugden practice not going to the Three Lower Realms? If they are not going to the Three Lower Realms, doesn’t it make the Tibetan government look contradictory by recognising their incarnations? Wouldn’t you not recognise incarnations of Dorje Shugden lamas? Why wouldn’t you recognise them? When you recognise them you are telling people that there is nothing wrong with Dorje Shugden. Otherwise, how do these incarnations come back? I repeat. By recognising Dorje Shugden lamas’ incarnations and putting them in the monasteries again, you are telling the world that if you practice Dorje Shugden, nothing bad happens to you. Doesn’t that contradict what you are saying? So, let’s think about all that.
Therefore, in conclusion, I have just shown you the tip of the iceberg of the great lamas that practised; many of them I am familiar with or my teachers are familiar with that told me about them. Some of you might say, well some of the people you showed gave up Dorje Shugden. They may have given up Dorje Shugden but they practised Dorje Shugden at one time or another in their lives, which showed that Dorje Shugden was not a minor practice. Dorje Shugden was a pervasive practice within the Gelugpas. Dorje Shugden was a pervasive practice among the Gelugpas till the 1996 ban.
So, if you practice Dorje Shugden, you break your refuge vows and you go to the Three Lower Realms. None of them went to the Three Lower Realms. Furthermore, the very people who say go to the Three Lower Realms, they themselves recognise the lamas who practised Dorje Shugden.
So, I want everybody to think about that. Everything that I have said is with logic, thoroughly thought out, and I wish to repeat. I do not wish to disparage His Holiness the Dalai Lama. I do not wish to say anything negative, and I do not wish to offend His Holiness. I have great respect, love and faith in His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Just before he passed away, the previous Trijang Rinpoche said, “In the future it will look like the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden are in conflict with each other to the ordinary eye, through the conventional sense and through conventional observation. But ultimately, there are two ways of viewing things. On the ultimate level, there are those who have achieved emptiness, and using conventional methods, there are those who have not achieved emptiness. So, through conventional methods it seems that the Dalai Lama, His Holiness the Dalai Lama has conflict with Dorje Shugden and they are against each other. But on an ultimate realm, they are not; they are helping each other to bring the Buddhadharma to the greater masses.” Now, that was told to me by many lamas, Geshes, and my gurus in Gaden Monastery who heard it from Trijang Rinpoche himself. So, we cannot say, “if Trijang Rinpoche said that, I accept” or “if Trijang Rinpoche said that, then I do not accept.” Whether you accept or you do not accept, that was what Trijang Rinpoche said. If you accept, you are respecting him and if you do not accept it, then you do not respect him and you are saying you have greater wisdom than him. I do not have greater wisdom than him so I choose to believe that the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden are working together to make the Dharma grow in the world. That is what I choose.
So, I make a fervent appeal to His Holiness the Dalai Lama and his ministers to please remove the stigma from Dorje Shugden. Please remove all negative talk and writings from Tibet.net and DalaiLama.com. Tibet.net and DalaiLama.com both have information and sections against Dorje Shugden. The Dalai Lama is one of the greatest spiritual inspirations and leaders of our planet today and of the 21st century. To have a section on his blogsite, to discourage one type of religious practice does not befit the status, the name and the grandeur of such an incredible spiritual leader. Imagine if we go to Mother Teresa’s website, and then there is one section that says, “If you are Catholic, you are good. If you practice Baptist, you are not good.” How would that make us feel about Mother Teresa? It would not look good for someone of her stature, of her grandness and of her spiritual level. So, I request to remove all stigma, and Your Holiness, with one sentence, if you tell people, “Accept the Dorje Shugden people, they are people too, and they deserve compassion and they are Tibetans too,” all the Tibetans will unite and all the conflicts between Dorje Shugden people and non Dorje Shugden people will end. There is only one sentence from you, one statement from you. You are very powerful.
I am appealing to Your Holiness for the sake of harmony for the Tibetans. I am appealing to Your Holiness for the sake of bringing all Tibetans together. Whether I am a Muslim Tibetan, Christian Tibetan, Buddhist Tibetan, Gelugpa, Sakya, Nyingma, Kagyu, Bonpo, Jonangpa Tibetan; whether I am a U-Tsangpa, Amdopa, or Khampa Tibetan; whether I am a Shugdenpa Tibetan, whatever type of Tibetan, I am still a Tibetan. I am born in a foreign country, I do not speak Tibetan well, that is not my fault because I never got to live and breathe and abide in Tibetan culture because we lost our country. So, therefore I am asking the Tibetan leadership to unite all Tibetans, to save our culture, to save our religion, to save our unique way of life, because we need unity. Please do not segregate Tibetans due to religion and regionalism. Most important, for Buddhism to grow, we need the conflict of Dorje Shugden to end. This can end when we understand that all of us are human beings, and we have the right to practise religion. For Dorje Shugden people, we should be allowed to join the Dalai Lama’s talks, especially the secular talks. He is our leader. He is our leader so if he has something to say, we should have the right to go there and to join in and not be segregated on the basis of our religion. So, I am requesting, with the deepest respect, for the stigma against Dorje Shugden to end, and the negative talk, because it is all very illogical.
I wish His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama a very long life. I wish him to live for hundreds of years, and to continue to experience good health, and to turn the wheel of Dharma, because he has benefitted so many people. I wish for the teachings of the Buddha to spread in the ten directions, and to benefit people who have the affinity. I wish all people to be at peace, and have harmony, and that religion be the cause of unity, not be the cause of schism. I repeat. I wish for religion to be used as a cause for unity, tolerance, and understanding, and not division and schism. Last but not least, I wish very much that my videos do not offend anyone, because I am not talking about this to offend anyone, I am simply giving knowledge. My way of life, my religion, what I follow is being threatened. I suffer persecution, I suffer segregation, I suffer degradation. I suffer humiliation and insult, almost on a daily basis because of my religious choice. It should not be like that in today’s 21st century world. It should not be like that.
Thank you very much. I will have all this on my blog so that you can see it, and for now… Rinpoche recites Dedication Prayers.
Completion Dedication
DAG-SOG JIN-NYEH SAG-PA GE-WA DEE
TAN-DANG DRO-WA KUN-LA GANG-PHAN DANG
CHE-PAR JE-TSUN LO-ZANG DRAG-PA YI
TAN-PI NYING-PO RING-DU SAL-SHEH SHUG
May this merit accumulated by myself and others
Beneficially serve all sentient beings and the Buddhadharma
And especially may the essential teachings of the
Unerring Master Tsongkhapa become clear and enduring.
JANG-JUB SEM-CHOK RINPOCHE
MA-KYE PA-NAM KYE-GYUR CHIK
KYE-PA NYAM-PA ME-PA YANG
GONG-NA GONG-DU PEL-WAR SHUG
May the precious Bodhi-mind,
Where it is not born arise and grow
May that born have no decline
But increase forever more.
TONG-NI TONG-WA RINPOCHE
MA-KYE PA-NAM KYE-GYUR CHIK
KYE-PA NYAM-PA ME-PA YANG
GONG-NA GONG-DU PEL-WAR SHUG
May the precious Emptiness
Where it is not born arise and grow
May that born have no decline
But increase forever more.
Dedication of Virtue
GE-WA DI-YI NYUR-DU DAK
LA-MA SANG-GYE DRUP-GYUR NA
DRO-WA CHIK-KYANG MA-LU PA
DE-YI SA-LA GO-PAR SHUG
By this virtue, may I quickly
Realize Guru-Buddhahood,
And transfer each sentient being
Into that Enlightened state.
CHO KHI GYAL PO TSONG KHA PA
CHO TSUL NAM PAR PHEL WA LA
GEK KI TSHAN MA ZHI WA DANG
THUN KYIN MA LU TSHANG WAR SHOK
May all conducive conditions arise
and all obstacles be pacified,
in order to increase infinitely,
the doctrine of the spiritual king, Tsongkhapa.
DA DANG SHEN GI DU SUM DANG
DRIL WA TSOK NYI LA TEN NAY
GYA WA LO ZANG DRAG PA YI
TAN PAR YUN RING VAR GYUR CHIG
By the merits of the 3 times of myself and others,
May the doctrine of Lama Tsongkhapa blaze forever.
GANGSHIG DRENPA TSAMGYI CHINANGI
BARCHE KUNSEL LESHEY TRINLEY NAM
TSOLDZE GYALCHEN SHUGDEN RIG-NGA TSEY
TANSUNG KORDANG CHELA CHAG-SAL TÖ
All the obstacles from within and without,
Completely you dispel and make things clear & fulfil activities,
To the 5 families of Dorje Shugden,
Your great entourage & assistants I prostrate.
Dedication for the Long Life of H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama
GANG RI RAWE KORWAI SHING KHAM DIR
PEN DANG DEWA MALU GYUNG WAI NE
CHENREZIG WANG TENZIN GYATSO YI
SHA PEI SITHAI BARDU DEN GYUR CHIG
In this holy Land surrounded by snow mountains,
You are the source of all benefit and happiness
May your lotus feet, O powerful Chenrezig, Tenzin Gyatso
Remain in this world until the end of existence.
Thank you very much. Good bye for now.
Addendum
Central Tibetan Administration’s Website
Below is a screenshot of Tibet.net, which is the Tibetan leadership’s website. In it, they have a section with “information” about Dorje Shugden which is designed to promote hatred, negativity and direct vulgarities towards Shugden practitioners. What kind of democratic leadership has a section like this on their site targeting a religious group? Imagine the uproar there would be if the American or Canadian, or any other democratic government had sections like this on their site for the public!
His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s Website
This is a screenshot of DalaiLama.com which is the official website of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. When this section exists on His Holiness’ website, it actually emboldens Tibetans to discriminate against and segregate Shugden practitioners. This section is basically the Dalai Lama’s ‘endorsement’ of such behaviour; when anti-Shugden individuals see this, they think it is okay to segregate against the practice “because the Dalai Lama said so”. I don’t think the Dalai Lama would agree with this but the webmaster and shadow writers behind his website should not put this type of anti-Dorje Shugden section which subscribes to discrimination against a group because of religion. In the 21st century, this is not fitting of a great spiritual leader like His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Do not discriminate tolerate; is the way to go.
If the Dorje Shugden ban is just advice and not a ban, then why is a section like this necessary on any website?
Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile’s Resolution Stating Government Employees Should Not Rely on Dorje Shugden
In 1996, the Tibetan leadership passed a resolution stating that all departments (and ergo their employees) should not rely on Dorje Shugden (point 8). The resolution also stated that individuals who do engage in its worship will harm the Dalai Lama’s life and the so-called Tibetan cause. That being the case, how will anyone within the Tibetan settlements and government be able to openly engage in Dorje Shugden practice after that, if their worship has been widely labelled as anti-Dalai Lama, anti-CTA and treasonous? To openly practice after that will leave them open to criticism, vulgarities, harassment and discrimination, as Dorje Shugden practitioners have been for the last 20 years. So they will be left with three options: to give up the practice (which many will not do), to practice secretly, or to give up their jobs.
Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile’s Resolution Naming Dorje Shugden Practitioners as Criminals in History
This is a screenshot of tibet.net, the Central Tibetan Administration’s official website, which shows the Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile’s unanimous resolution dated 17 March 2014 naming Dorje Shugden practitioners as criminals in history (point 3, paragraph 2).
VIDEO: Dalai Lama bans Dorje Shugden practice
and expels monks
His Holiness the Dalai Lama was recorded in Drepung Monastery in 2008 clearly stating that those who refused to give up their Dorje Shugden practice should be expelled from the monasteries. His Holiness even said that if people found it difficult to fulfill this instruction, that they should say that the Dalai Lama told them to expel Dorje Shugden practitioners.
My question is this: if giving up Dorje Shugden practice is just advice, and it is up to us who we wish to rely on, then why are there such heavy repercussions for people who choose to keep the practice? As a result of His Holiness saying this, thousands of Shugden monks were expelled from the monasteries, and were forced to set up their own monasteries where they would be able to continue their Dorje Shugden practice.
VIDEO: Dorje Shugden practitioner rejected
from Gaden Shartse Monastery Guest House
A Dorje Shugden practitioner enquiring about room rates at the Gaden Shartse Monastery Guest House in Majnu-ka-tilla, Delhi was rejected by the hotel staff and asked to leave.
VIDEO: France 24 reports on the Dorje Shugden issue
France 24 is a reputable news network based in France, known for their objective reporting style. They covered the Dorje Shugden issue extensively, surely a reflection of the seriousness of the issue for them to devote so much airtime to it. In their video, France 24 captured on film the discrimination against a Dorje Shugden monk.
VIDEO: Al Jazeera reports on the Dorje Shugden issue
Based in the Middle East, Al Jazeera was formed in response to the heavy influence of Western culture on the media. They are known to cover controversial topics that other news agencies may be reluctant to cover, and provide hard-hitting, objective coverage of current affairs.
Evidence of the Ban
Over the years, my students have collected evidence of the ban against Dorje Shugden. Personally, I find it quite disappointing and sad that they have been able to collect so much evidence because it just goes to show how widespread and pervasive this ban has become. As you can see below, notices banning Dorje Shugden practitioners can be found just about anywhere in the Tibetan settlements. Whether a Dorje Shugden person is trying to access healthcare or enter a restaurant, or try to buy something from a shop, they are banned everywhere and refused service. How is this just ‘advice’ when the repercussions of practising Dorje Shugden are so violent inside the Tibetan communities and settlements?
For more interesting information:
- Why Accepting Dorje Shugden Is Good for Tibetan Democracy
- Why can’t the Dalai Lama ‘bind’ Dorje Shugden?
- H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s first live streaming!
- The Dorje Shugden category on my blog
- Manjushri Nagarakshasa comes to KFR!
- They were not wrong
- Can Tibetan Lamas Make Mistakes?
- My plea to His Holiness the Dalai Lama
- My plea to His Holiness (Tibetan) | ངའི་༧གོང་ས་མཆོག་ལ་སྙན་ཞུ་ཞུ་རྒྱུར།
- The Fourteenth Dalai Lama & Dorje Shugden | ༧གོང་ས་ཆེན་པོ་སྐུ་འཕྲེང་བཅུ་བཞི་པ་མཆོག་དང་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན། | 十四世达赖尊者与多杰雄登
- The Fifth Dalai Lama & Dorje Shugden | ༧གོང་ས་ལྔ་པ་ཆེན་པོ་དང་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན། | 第五世达赖尊者与多杰雄登
- Dorje Shugden: My side of the story
- Should there be a separate autonomous Dorje Shugden state? Part 1
- Should there be a separate autonomous Dorje Shugden state? Part 2
- To Sum It Up
- The Buddhist Divide – An Unholy Campaign against Religious Freedom
- Tibetan Leadership’s New Anti-Shugden Video
- Updated: Dorje Shugden Teaching Videos
- The Dalai Lama Speaks Clearly About the Dorje Shugden Ban
- Nechung – The Retiring Devil of Tibet
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A précised sharing by Rinpoche regarding the banning of the practice of the enlightened Protector Dorje Shugden by Tibetan Leadership. Reading and watching those videos will explain all about the ban controversy. Many highly attained Lamas had for the last 400 years, has been relying on Dorje Shugden. But as claim by the Tibetan leadership the practice of the enlightened Protector Dorje Shugden is evil spirit and a minor practice. They claimed that whoever practice Dorje Shugden will to the three lower realms. All these were not true just an excuse to worry their community into giving up the Dorje Shugden practice. There were many incarnations of Lamas coming back again and again. Yet the Tibetan leadership keeps recognizing the reincarnations of lamas who engaged in the practice of Dorje Shugden. They said those Masters would take rebirth in the three lower realms. Not logic at all. As in this article one could read more prominent Dorje Shugden practitioners of the last 400 years are back again. Interesting read one should not miss.
Thank you Rinpoche for this great sharing
Tibetan leadership did mentioned that practicing Dorje Shugden brings practitioners to the three lower realms as they claimed Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit. The Tibetan leadership has created a false image and a sense of compassion just for their own agenda behind it. Dorje Shugden is a powerful Dharma Protector who is also an emanation of Manjushri, a wisdom bestowing Buddha. Dorje Shugden will not harm anyone but protects everyone. Dorje Shugden is an enlightened Dharma Protector who manifested about 400 years ago from a lineage of erudite masters, it cannot be wrong. Many of these high Lamas and monks’s incarnation are back and even recognized by them. Many highly attained enlightened and erudite, scholastic masters and lamas had for the last 400 years have practised Dorje Shugden. Interesting read of some of the greatest Masters and Lamas who practised Dorje Shugden, and their incarnation is back. They did not go to the Three Lower Realms.
Thank you Rinpoche for this post which definitely reassured Dorje Shugden practitioner will not go to the lower realms as claimed by the Tibetan leadership.
The Tibetan Leadership (CTA) said that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit yet at the same time they recognise the reincarnations of the Dorje Shugden lamas. That’s not logic at all. Reading this article tells one more than that, many great lamas have been reincarnated back again and again such as H E Serkong Dorje Chang, H E Gyara Rinpoche, H E Kyabje Lati Rinpoche , H E Khari Kentrul Rinpoche and many more. Many high lamas and monks have engaged in Dorje Shugden’s practice over the years. When they passed away, their undisputed incarnation has returned , it has proven that those who practised Dorje Shugden’s practice do not go to the lower realm as claimed by CTA. Some of the past great lamas even composed the Dorje Shugden puja and prayers had it proven too that this practice is not a minor practice. It has been around more than 400 years old. Dorje Shugden was a pervasive practice within the Gelugpas before the ban.
Thank you Rinpoche for this well explained article for more people to understand .
Brilliant! Just brilliant!
I applaud your depth.
Mantras are sacred verbalized words that invoke the protection and blessings of the deity to whom the mantra is ascribed. Mantras are also the manifestations of Buddhas in the form of ‘sounds’, hence the various mantras of Dorje Shugden contain the essence of the Protector.
Dorje Shugden’s main mantra 多杰雄登主要咒语
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for peace 平和咒语
For gaining attainments through the energy of Peaceful Shugden, peace of environment and mind, harmony in one’s abode and dwelling area, and calming of disasters
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SHANTI SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for health 福寿安康咒语
For long life, increasing life, healing of disease and protection from diseases
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA AYU SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for increase 增长咒语
For gaining great merits and increase of all necessary needs, both material and spiritual
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA PUNYE SIDDHI HUNG
Dorje Shugden’s mantra for control 控制咒语
Of worldly deities, negative people and nagas and for influencing friends towards the positive
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA WASHAM KURU HO
Dorje Shugden’s mantra to grant protection 庇护咒语
Visualize that you are in the Protector’s mandala, fully protected from outside interferences. Recite when in danger or for dangerous situations, for protection while travelling or when residing in dangerous/hostile places
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA RAKYA RAKYA HUNG
https://video.tsemtulku.com/videouploads/comment-1544345059.mp4
When the Dorje Shugden ban was imposed by the CTA 20 over years ago, they claim that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit who would harm the Dalai Lama, the practitioners and jeopardise the Tibet cause. The CTA went all the way to create a dedicated section of their official website to condemn how bad Dorje Shugden practice is and accuse Dorje Shugden lamas and practitioners of accepting money from the Chinese government to sabotage the Tibet cause.
According to the Buddha, if we take refuge in a wordly god or a spirit, we will take rebirth in the 3 lower realms. Since the CTA claims Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, it means after the practitioners die, it is not possible for them to take rebirth in a human form. However, the funny thing is, over the past 20 years, the CTA continues to recognise high reincarnated lama who were strong Dorje Shugden practitioners in their previous lives such as Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, Lati Rinpoche, Panchen Lama and many more. So what really is the CTA saying? Is Dorje Shugden an evil spirit or he is not?
Obviously, the CTA is lying. How can they say Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit but at the same time they recognise the reincarnations of the Dorje Shugden lamas? The ban was created so that the CTA can put the blame of their failure to free Tibet on someone else. The ban is driven by the selfish political agenda of the CTA. It is very good that Tsem Rinpoche is producing videos and giving teachings to educate us the truth.
Dear friends,
Tibet has produced many powerful meditations, rituals and guidelines to help us gain spiritual protection, gain wisdom and higher states of consciousness. In general Tibet has produced many powerful methods for the growth of our spiritual evolution. Dorje Shugden is an angel, a saint, a powerful spiritual protector-warrior who originated 350 years ago when a highly awakened Tibetan Lama fulfilled his vows to become a special being to grant protection, wisdom, material needs, safety when travelling (normal and astral travel) and spiritual awakening. Both the Great 5th Dalai Lama and the current His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama composed short yet effective prayers to invoke upon the power and blessings of this special saint and protector. One can recite either one of the prayers that you feel suits you, anytime or even daily. When you feel a special need for help, you can recite either prayer anytime. When you are feeling down, afraid or just need a blessing, you can recite them. After reciting either invocation, it is good to chant the mantra of Dorje Shugden: Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha.
You do not have to be a Buddhist or practitioner of any religion to invoke upon the blessings and protection of this special enlightened and awakened angel Dorje Shugden. He helps all without discrimination or bias as he is filled with compassion and love. Divinity has no boundaries, they help all who call upon them.
Enclosed are the prayers in English, Chinese and Tibetan.
May you be safe, protected and blessed.
Tsem Rinpoche
More on the Great 5th Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden – https://bit.ly/2w7KHv6
More on H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden – https://bit.ly/2QdaL4n
Chapel (Trode Khangsar) built by the Great 5th Dalai Lama dedicated to Dorje Shugden in Lhasa – https://bit.ly/2zBTd8M
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亲爱的朋友们，
西藏产生了许多有助于我们得到精神庇佑、取得智慧和更高层次之觉悟的强大禅修法、仪式和教诲。总括来说，西藏产生了许多有助于我们在修行上取得提升的强有力方法。多杰雄登是一个天使，一位圣人和一名护法战士。他的崛起始于350年前，当一位高度觉悟的西藏高僧履行本身的承诺，化身为特别的护法，赐予我们守护、智慧、物质需要、出入平安（平日外游和神游时）和灵修上的觉醒。任何人都可以随时随地在任何时候念诵适合自己的祈愿文。当你需要特别的帮助时，你可以随时念诵任何一篇祈愿文。当你感到沮丧、恐惧或仅是需要加持时，你也可以持诵这些祈愿文。在念诵任何祈请文后，你应该接着念诵多杰雄登的心咒：嗡 班杂 维格 毗札那 娑哈 Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha。
要祈请多杰雄登这位特殊、觉悟和觉醒的天使赐予加持和庇佑，你无需是佛教徒或任何宗教的修行者。他总是没有分别或偏见，充满慈悲和慈爱地帮助一切众生。神圣是没有界限的，圣者会帮助有求于他的任何人。
以下附上英文、中文和藏文的祈愿文。
愿你平安，常受庇护和加持。
尊贵的詹杜固仁波切
更多关于第五世达赖尊者和多杰雄登护法的内容 — https://bit.ly/2zsC3tG
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第五世达赖尊者为多杰雄登护法在拉萨建造的护法殿（布旦康萨）— https://bit.ly/2zBTd8M
His Eminence Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche’s incarnation is in Lhasa visiting. He is visiting the 350-year-old Trode Khangsar chapel dedicated to Dorje Shugden. He is paying homage to the powerful statue of Dorje Shugden housed in this sacred chapel. Both the chapel and statue of Dorje Shugden were commissioned by His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama. The Great 5th Dalai Lama also composed a prayer to be recited daily to Dorje Shugden.
Dagom Rinpoche’s previous lives were great masters, scholars and practitioners of Dorje Shugden. Now this new incarnation of Dagom Rinpoche is offering gold on the face of Dorje Shugden in homage and worship to this very sacred statue of Dorje Shugden housed in Lhasa for the last 350 years. This is a very traditional Tibetan method of paying homage to holy images, which is by offering gold with prayers.
The Tibetan leadership wrongly says if you practise Dorje Shugden you will take rebirth into the three lower realms. Hundreds of lamas from the Sakya, Kagyu and Gelugpa schools of Buddhism have practised Dorje Shugden and their incarnations returned. Many of the incarnations are recognised by His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself. So this shows if you practise Dorje Shugden, only benefits come and no harm will come. The very fact Dagom Rinpoche’s incarnation is back, is clear evidence that Dorje Shugden’s practice is beneficial.
May Dagom Rinpoche’s current incarnation live a very long life.
Tsem Rinpoche
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com
YouTube High resolution video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THbGknXcLbo
Trode Khangsar – A 400 year old Dorje Shugden Chapel in Lhasa:
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=92148[/color]
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尊贵的扎贡仁波切的现任转世正在拜访拉萨。他拜访了一座供奉给多杰雄登并且拥有350年历史的护法殿”布旦康萨”。他在向这座神圣护法殿里的强大多杰雄登像顶礼。该座护法殿和多杰雄登圣像是由第五世达赖喇嘛指示而造的。伟大的第五世达赖喇嘛也亲笔撰写了多杰雄登的每日祈愿文。
扎贡仁波切的前几世都是伟大的上师，学者兼多杰雄登的修持者。现在扎贡仁波切的现任转世在为这尊已经安奉在拉萨350年并且非常神圣的多杰雄登圣像的脸上供养金漆，以示顶礼和膜拜。这种供养金并祈愿的做法是西藏为圣像顶礼非常传统的做法。
流亡藏人领袖们说如果你修持多杰雄登就将投生三恶道，那是错误的。佛教派系——萨迦派、噶举派、格鲁派的上百名喇嘛们都修持了多杰雄登，而且他们也都转世回来了，而其中有很多转世还是达赖喇嘛亲自认证的。这明显显示了如果你修持多杰雄登，是百利无一弊的。扎贡仁波切转世回来了，就已经是很确凿的证据显示多杰雄登的修持是有利的。
愿今世的扎贡仁波切健康长寿。
詹杜固仁波切
blog.sina.com.cn/zhandugu
YouTube高清视频- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THbGknXcLbo
拉萨400年历史的多杰雄登护法殿—布旦康萨- https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=92148
Divination (‘mo’) Text by Dorje Shugden
This is an important divination (‘mo’) text composed by Dorje Shugden himself. Dorje Shugden took trance of the Choyang Dulzin oracle lama, the senior oracle of Gaden Shartse Monastery, and instantly on the spot composed this text within two hours.
The divination text contains information on how to use dice to do divination for the future and is known to be highly accurate. When practitioners use this text, they will be in direct contact with Dorje Shugden to get answers to questions about the future. It is for those who have good samaya with Dorje Shugden and are free of the eight worldly dharmas to be of benefit to others in divining the future.
Tsem Rinpoche
DS-MO-choyang.pdf
Be blessed with these rare videos featuring explanation and advice about Dorje Shugden practice by His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche in his own voice. The teaching was requested by Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the earliest masters who taught Tibetan Buddhism in the West.
Video 1: H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche Explains Dorje Shugden Initiation and Benefits (With English Subtitles)
Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was an erudite scholar, ritual master and practitioner of the highest degree from Tibet. At the request of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the pioneers who taught Tibetan Buddhism in America, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche gives clear explanation and advice about the life-entrustment initiation of Dorje Shugden and how to go about the practice and get the maximum benefits in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzFMvlxAqtc&feature=youtu.be
Video 2: H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche speaks on the History and Lineage of Dorje Shugden (With English Subtitles)
In this video, an erudite scholar, ritual master and practitioner of the highest degree from Tibet, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche talks about the incarnation lineage of Dorje Shugden and how the practice arose, with examples of Dorje Shugden’s previous lives that reveal his powerful spiritual attainments and contributions. This very rare teaching was given at the request of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche’s student, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, one of the pioneers who taught Buddhism in the West to many disciples since the 1970s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzKSJgK618&feature=youtu.be
For more information: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/kyabje-zong-rinpoches-advice-on-dorje-shugdens-practice.html
Thank you Rinpoche for explaining so clearly to us what determines where we will take rebirth in after we die. Where we will take rebirth in is very much depending on our karma and what we think at the point of death. No one, not even the Buddha can decide where we will be going after we pass away.
It is therefore very illogical to say if we practice Dorje Shugden, we will take rebirth in the three lower realms. Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being, we don’t go to the lower realms for taking refuge in a Buddha. Many Dorje Shugden lamas have taken rebirth in the human form, they did not go to the three lower realms.
The CTA has been using Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to cover up their failure in getting Tibet back. After 60 years of struggle, there is still no progress in the Tibet cause. It is hard to justify their failure except to blame it on an unseen being. Tibetan leadership is the first and the only one in the world who blames a deity for their failure.
For the first time available, Dorje Shugden and his entourage of 32 asssistants of his mandala.
Dorje Shugden is a powerful protector deity who is also an emanation of Manjushri, a wisdom bestowing Buddha. Therefore, he has great ability to help us to progress further on the spiritual path. He does this by helping us to overcome obstacles and problems for the modern individual.
Due to his enlightened nature, Dorje Shugden is able to manifest 32 deities and within the same abode resides Setrap and Kache Marpo:-
1. 5 Dorje Shugden families or emanations. They consists of the following:-
– Dulzin Dorje Shugden, which performs activities to eliminate inner and outer obstacles.
– Shize, which performs activities to pacify all illnesses and disease.
– Gyenze, which performs activities to increase all desirable material and spiritual wealth.
– Wangze, which performs activities to control difficult people and circumstances.
– Trakze, which performs activities to wrathfully eliminate all insurmountable obstacles and life-threatening situations.
2. 9 Mothers. They represent protection of the five senses and developing control of the four elements. These are all attributes that signify their ability to assist tantric practitioners with their higher meditations.
3. 8 Guiding Monks. They represent the Eight Great Bodhisattvas (Avalokitesvara, Manjushri, Vajrapani, Samantabhadra, Maitreya, Kshitigarbha, Akashagarbha, Sarva-nivarana-viskambini) and they bring about the growth of the Dharma, through the Sangha, Dharma practitioners and Dharma establishments.
4. 10 Youthful & Wrathful Attendants. They represent the ten wrathful attendants to avert inner and outer obstacles. They are beings who are from Mongolia, China, Kashmir, India, Bengali, etc.
5. Setrap. He is a senior Dharma Protector from India and an emanation of Amitabha Buddha. He had enthroned Dorje Shugden as an authentic Dharma Protector. Therefore, he also resides within the same mandala of Dorje Shugden.
6. Kache Marpo. He is not an emanation of Dorje Shugden but he is still an enlightened Dharma Protector in his own right. He was originally known as Tsiu Marpo of Samye Monastery. However, he has placed himself under the service of Dorje Shugden as his chief minister, performing many activities in order to protect and benefit practitioners. Therefore, he stands guard at the main entrance of Dorje Shugden’s mandala. He often takes trance of qualified mediums to speak.
7. Namkar Barzin. He is the reincarnation of an old Mongolian monk and when he passed away in Phari area of Tibet, his spirit was placed as a powerful assistant of Dorje Shugden. He guards and protects buildings and great institutions especially those that benefit others. He rides on a mythical Gyaling animal that resembles a goat but with scales.
These sacred images are available on *Vajrasecrets. They are made of high quality alloy and are one of a kind. They are based on the lineage of His Holiness Panchen Rinpoche’s monastery, Tashilhunpo in Shigatse, Tibet. In fact, the iconography of these statues are based on detailed photographs taken by H. E. Tsem Rinpoche during a trip to Tashilhunpo’s protector chapel. These are based exactly as the 10th Panchen Lama’s personal collection.
Dorje Shugden mandala: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=131570
Dorje Shugden’s benefit and practice: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=62422
Dorje Shugden’s origins: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=106424
Dorje Shugden chapel in His Holiness Panchen Rinpoche’s Tashilhunpo Monastery in Tibet: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=68698
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His Holiness the 10th Panchen Lama
Tibetans commonly refer to His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and His Holiness 10th Panchen Lama as the “sun and moon” of Tibetan Buddhism. They are the center of Tibetan Buddhist civilization, which draws to its sphere of influence millions of non-Tibetan practitioners. The Panchen Lama’s incarnation line began with the 16th abbot of Tashi Lhunpo Monastery, Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen (1570 – 1662). He was bestowed the title of Panchen Lama by His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama after being declared as an emanation of Amitabha.
After being given the title, his three previous incarnations were posthumously also bestowed the title, making Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen the 4th Panchen Lama. He became a teacher to many Tibetans, Bhutanese and Mongolian religious figures, including His Holiness the 4th and 5th Dalai Lamas, and the 1st Jetsun Dampa of Mongolia. A prolific author, Chokyi Gyeltsen is credited with over a hundred compositions, including a number of commentaries and ritual texts that remain central in the Gelukpa tradition today. Along with his role as a teacher of the Dharma, the Panchen Lamas are usually responsible for the recognition of the rebirths of the Dalai Lamas, and vice versa.
The 10th Panchen Lama, Lobsang Trinley Lhundrub Chokyi Gyeltsen (19 February 1938 – 28 January 1989) continued both the spiritual and political roles of his predecessors. His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, his contemporary, was even heard to say and echo the Panchen Lama’s own words that the Dalai Lama would safeguard Tibet from the outside while the Panchen Lama would safeguard Tibet from the inside, as he never left Tibet after the political troubles of 1959. He was truly loved by the Tibetans, all the way until his passing. When he taught, thousands of people would attend, not only from his own Gelug lineage, but masters and practitioners from all traditions of Tibetan Buddhism.
At his sprawling monastery of Tashi Lhunpo, he has a special chapel specifically dedicated to Dorje Shugden, where prayers and rituals are performed on a daily basis. In his great omniscience the Panchen Lama held Dorje Shugden as the principal Dharma protector of the monastery. He also personally propitiated Dorje Shugden among other Dharma protectors, and even wrote extensive prayers and rituals to Dorje Shugden. These rituals and prayers are contained within his ‘sung bum’ or collected works, which are provided here. As such a great lama, with an erudite and clear understanding of the Buddhist scriptures, a teacher to millions in both Tibet and China, from an established incarnation line and an emanation of the Buddha Amitabha, he could not be mistaken about his practice of Dorje Shugden.
His Holiness 10th Panchen Lama is known for his composition of commentaries and practice texts that are still in use by contemporary Buddhist practitioners both in Tibet and across the world. One of these is a powerful ritual composition propitiating the compassionate Dorje Shugden.
Upon the request by Acharya Lobsang Jangchub to compose a shorter version of the prayer (sadhana) for the exhortation of activities of Dorje Shugden, Panchen Lama immediately composed an abbreviate form of Dorje Shugden’s Kangsol. This text is entitled “Manjunatha’s (Tsongkapa) Lineage protector Dorje Shugden and five forms wrathful propitiations and confessional prayers and fulfilment of activities rites” or “Melodious sound of Accomplishment of the Four Activities” for short. Once the prayers were completed, he had signs and strong feelings that Dorje Shugden has been working hard to protect the Buddhadharma in general and the lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa specifically.
Mirroring the abilities of one of his earlier incarnations, Khedrub Je, a disciple of Lama Tsongkhapa and master of both sutra and tantra, the Panchen Lama used his compositional skill and poetic prowess to create a masterful sadhana. Worthy of note is a praise in which the first letter of each verse is a Tibetan vowel. Such compositions are rarely seen, and have historically only been used when propitiating senior Dharma protectors such as Palden Lhamo and Kalarupa.
The Panchen Lama also stated that while composing the Dorje Shugden sadhana (prayers) he was filled with a sense of happiness and bliss. He ends the composition with not only his official title but his ordination name, Tenzin Trinley Jigme Choje Wangchuk, endorsing the validity of his work. He composed the sadhana in his own Tashi Lhunpo monastery while in the Hall of Clear Light and Bliss.
See the Panchen Lama’s writings and download: https://bit.ly/2KIfeXb
This elderly & innocent monk in India was brutally attacked, find out why. Shocking – https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=163953
“If the Dalai Lama, if His Holiness the Dalai Lama can be harmed by Dorje Shugden, then we might as well not practice Buddhism anymore. If His Holiness the Dalai Lama can have his life shortened by a so-called evil spirit, any evil spirit, then can he be Avalokiteshvara? So on one hand you say, we say, I say, everybody says, he is Avalokiteshvara; on the other hand you’re saying that he can be harmed by an evil spirit… Which one is it? Can he be harmed by an evil spirit or is he Avalokiteshvara? Do you think Avalokiteshvara, Manjushri, Vajrapani, Tara all take refuge in something else to protect themselves from Dorje Shugden? How illogical is that? How illogical of people to say His Holiness the Dalai Lama can be harmed by an evil spirit, any evil spirit or “Dorje Shugden” evil spirit. How is that possible?” – Tsem Tulku Rinpoche
Photo: His Holiness the Dalai Lama, young Tsem Tulku Rinpoche and Tsem Tulku Rinpoche’s tutor Kensur Rinpoche Jampa Yeshe
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Sakya tradition’s thangka of Dorje Shugden sitting on a throne within his palace with his four emanations and high Sakya Lamas nearby. Tsem Rinpoche
Antique Pelden Lhamo thangka with sacred Dorje Shugden at the bottom right. Can see Tsongkapa and Guru Rinpoche on the top also. Beautiful and holy.
Isn’t this just lovely?! Look at these cute Tibetan kids singing praises to Dorje Shugden during Losar celebration in Tibet! Great blessings to all – Click to watch! ???
https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1519938132.mp4
This video condensed and made simple the history of the Dorje Shugden ban and the sufferings Dorje Shugden people experienced and continue to experience for 20 years. The video also laid out and reveal the truth and facts that Dorje Shugden was the Protector who advised His Holiness the Dalai Lama to flee to India and hence His Holiness’ life is saved. There is no religious freedom for the Dorje Shugden people worldwide because of the Dorje Shugden ban executed by the Central Tibetan Administration. We are, until today being discriminated and persecuted for simply practising our choice of religion and this is the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gis2vaURT40
Thank you Rinpoche for giving a lot of logical explanations that Dorje Shugden practice will not cause anyone to be reborn in the three lower realms as claimed by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA). Definitely Dorje Shugden is not a minor practice as there are 4 million Dorje Shugden practitioners from worldwide and I strongly have full faith that Dorje Shugden has benefitted the practitioners including myself or else, all the current practitioners should have stopped to practice Dorje Shugden immediately but this is not the fact at all. Technically, according to the law of karma (cause and effect), if anyone is going to take rebirth in the three lower realms, one could have committed or possesses the negativity such as being greedy with strong attachments, hatred, miserliness, envy, jealousy, killings, lying, sexual misconducts, stealing, divisive speech or wrong views but not because of practicing Buddhadharma such as Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden practice. Dorje Shugden, who is the emanation of Buddha of Wisdom, Manjushri will only bless and protect us, at the same time guiding us towards practicing more Dharma, gaining higher attainments and ultimately achieving enlightenment with liberation from samsara. How can a religion practice that urges everyone to carry out beneficial and kind deeds to all sentient beings, cause us to take rebirth in the three lower realms? This baseless claim is very contradicting and totally untrue. Dorje Shugden practice is not a spirit worship.
May the truth hidden behind the ban of Dorje Shugden to be shared to everyone for the growth of Buddhadharma. May the ban of Dorje Shugden will be lifted soonest possible to stop the sufferings and discriminations endured by many Dorje Shugden practitioners.
Humbly with folded hands,
kin hoe
Thank you Rinpoche for this informative video. Is very upsetting to know that CTA using this kind of excuse from stooping people to practice Dorje Shugden how can government trying their means and way to proof they are not wrong and accusing a practice that will benefits his own people that is very ridiculous . There is so many proofs that all the high lama who practice Dorje Shugden who reincarnated back again and again to benefits countless living being foe example Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche, so please CTA stop wrongly accusing Dorje Shugden practice.
Thank you for Rinpoche ‘s sharing. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche using logic explanation to point out the contradiction of Tibetan Leadership which mention who practices Dorje Shugden ‘s practice will go to lower realms. They use this as an excuse to support them why they want to ban the practice, it seems like they don’t want their people rebirth in lower realms. But if facts our negative actions, attachment, miserliness, selfishness lead us to lower realms, it did not relevant to what practice we learn. Furthermore in the 400 years, high Lamas who practices Dorje Shugden have been reincarnation back and continue spread the Dharma, and why Tibetan Leadership still recognize them, if follow the CTA logic, there should not one can be reincarnated back as they should in the lower realms.
All the truths need to be revealed and all the untrue info show in Tibet.net should be removed, the ban should be lifted up, everyone should have their own freedom whether to choose practice Dorje Shugden or not.
Breaking of samaya through not following one’s Guru’s instructions or practice given will lead to Avichi. Practising Dorje Shugden (who is an Enlightened being and Lord Manjushri’s emanation) will instead lead the practitioner to a higher level rather than to the three lower realms.
I find that there is completely no logic in the argument from the CTA to claim that one will go to the lower realms when one practices DS. More than no logic, it is absurd.
However, we should approach all those proponents of anti-Shugden with compassion and patience (as Lord Buddha had advised) and counter their arguments with facts and logic. This will eventually help them to remove their ignorance and prevent them from degenerating and going deeper into the abyss of anger, hatred and malice towards other humans.
It is very clear that the Shudgen matter is intertwined with malicious politics whereby certain parties are actually attempting to antagonize the world’s largest economic power. I would advise that engaging will be a better approach rather than antagonistic and “whacking” your own kind to project an image that you’re holy.
May the ban on DS be lifted soonest and reconciliation materialize simultaneously.
Thank you
Lum Kok Luen
Sentient beings have been going down to lower realms without needing the help of Dorje Shugden, so sentient beings are perfectly capable of heading there even without Dorje Shugden in the picture.
Thats tells you, there is a force more powerful than Dorje Shugden in bringing us to the lower realms and that is our delusions and 3 poisons.
If you engage in spirit worship, you break your vows which creates the causes for you to go to the three lower realms.The Tibetan Leaderships falsely claims that Shugden, being a spirit, those who practice him would go to the three lower realms. They use this to worry people into giving up their Shugden practice in fear of going to the three lower realms.
It is unfortunate that people would believe politicians,like the Tibetan Leadership, and not bother to check carefully or listen to spiritual experts -the high Lamas – about this. However, one proof that Shugden is not a spirit is that the great Shugden masters, like Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche -the Dalai Lama’s teacher and tutor -and the 10th Panchen Lama did not go to the three lower realms, despite practicing Dorje Shugden all their lives. Their reincarnations have returned, and what’s more surprising(showing hypocrisy and inconsistency of action and speech), the Tibetan Leadership have recognised these incarnations!
What’s more worrying is that , in order to gain political mileage or for some other shortlived gains, many Tibetan Shugden practitioners have given up their Shugden practice. Giving up a practice given to us by one’s root guru, constitutes breaking one’s samaya with him. In the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion, breaking of one’s samaya has very dire consequences of sending one straight to hell and the Lower Realms. Thus, the Tibetan Leadership, by suasion or force, have caused many to give up their Shugden practice, given to them by their root Gurus, and causing them to create the causes of going to the three lower realms !
It is best to heed the wise advice of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in “Music Delighting an Ocean of Protectors” about the importance of being non-partisan. Enlightened beings and their emanations, with their high level of meditation and realisations, act in ways that seem to our ordinary minds and dualistic perceptions to be “good” or “bad”. But we have no ability to see into the reality of things and we judge their actions according to our misguided narrow-minded ordinary worldly view.Hence, we should heed Trijang Rinpoche’s advice to not take sides or judge – neither the Dalai Lama nor Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden.
The Dorje Shugden BAN is completely
⛔️ IRRATIONAL & ILLOGICAL ⛔️
There are tons of information that make no way for the BAN to squeeze into the picture..
etc., let’s check out since 400 years ago, how many person who’ve practice Dorje Shugden have find themselves in a negative situation due to practicing Dorje Shugden?
NO! There is no reason for the BAN to carry on which will only create more harms to the people who ‘re involve. We must stop this BAN to go on any further for the sake of peace & freedom among human beings.
Vajrayana practice is about guru devotion , holding vow and keep samaya close with your guru until you acheive enligtenment. Those high lama at the past received practices from their guru who had attainment due to practicing and gain result. That is no mistake for those high lama in the past. Dorje Shugden has accusing over few hundred year he is spirit and over 20 year of ban his practice is unfair. How can so many high lama from Sakya and Gelupa mske mistake without noticed. What those high lama has proven by practice Dorje Shugden their Incarnation come back and continue turn the wheel dharma.This is undeline fact and truth. Regard practice Dorje Shugden bring you to three lower realm is ready as the joke without any reason. People will enknowledge whetever Dorje Shugden is spirit or not when they engage his practice. That why Dorje Shugden practitioner increasing more and more even have ban on him. Thank you Rinpoche sharing infomative teaching educate many of us.
At my point of view : It doesn’t make any sense at all for there to be Dorje Shugden lamas recognised by other great lamas including Dalai Lama if really like what CTA say, all Dorje Shugden people will rebirth in 3 lower realms. It is illogical but CTA continues to lie to trick people and cause so much pain and suffering of Tibetans with discrimination…..
The ban is indeed not logical at all. Tibetan leadership claimed that practicing Dorje Shugden will go to three lower realm, but when H.H Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche (H.H Dalai Lama tutor) reincarnated, H.H Dalai Lama recognize him by himself. So, if H,H Dalai Lama’s tutor practice spirit like what the Tibetan Leadership said, then H.H Dalai Lama also practice spirit? If H.H Dalai Lama doesn’t follow what his tutor taught him and doesn’t practice what his tutor gave to him, then where is his Guru samaya? If the Tibetan leadership, the highest of all Tibetans doesn’t have Guru samaya, then why do all the Tibetan Buddhism practitioners need to have Guru samaya? They can just follow what H.H Dalai Lama does, claimed that all the high Lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden were wrong. The Tibetan leadership claimed that practicing Dorje Shugden will shorten H.H Dalai Lama’s life. But H.H Dalai Lama is Chenrezig, how can an enlightened being’s life easily shorten? Lastly, the Tibetan leadership claimed that practicing Dorje Shugden will affect the Tibetan cause – Tibet Independent. But now H.H Dalai Lama said he doesn’t want Tibet independent, he wants the middle way, autonomy.
Hope more and more anti-shugden people read this, and think for themselves, whether the ban is logical? Whether Dorje Shugden is spirit? H.H Dalai Lama is an enlighten being, he doesn’t have karma if he says something wrong. Or maybe there’s even another reason behind it, we call it divine play. But us, as a worldly human, layman, we will have very heavy karma if we say that a Buddha is a spirit. We don’t follow blindly, we find facts, logic. We trust our Guru, as our Guru leads us to enlightenment. Our Guru does not and will not tell us to practice if Dorje Shugde were a spirit.
It is indeed a powerful video, Rinpoche. Thank you for speaking up on this controversy. It is illogical that practising Dorje Shugden can cause one person to be reborn in three lower realms. Otherwise all high Lamas will not be reincarnate back as human lifetime after lifetime. I hope this answers Anti Shugden people about this unfounded reasoning for banning people from practising Dorje Shugden.
In past centuries, many great masters, scholars that practice Dorje Shugden came back reincarnated and been recognized. I found it totally illogical that if practice Dorje Shugden will bring us to lower realm, then how come threse great lamas back reincarnate as humans, life after life?
In the video, Rinpoche share many of these great erudite masters that are practicing Dorje Shugden and their reincarnation back to continue the practice, which tells much of their promises to their Gurus and devotion. Besides, religion shouldn’t involved in politics. CTA have misused religion as scapegoat to threaten Tibetans. Pain, hurt, suffers are the results of these caused. How will Tibet have democracy when their people are suffering? How will Tibetans have peace?
真是不可思议的看到有许多过去和现在的高僧大德是修行多杰雄登护法，他们有很多都博学多闻及利益了无数的僧伽和俗人，而更令人难以置信的是，这些高僧大德中有多少人再次不断转世回来渡众生。他们有些甚至被尊贵的达赖喇嘛认证传世和藏人行政中央政府（以前称为“西藏流亡政府”）本身承认和推广，当中有几个具代表性的过去和现在的大师，他们不只是在西藏备受尊敬，在世界各地也非常受信徒爱戴。其中有至尊帕绷卡仁波切，至尊赤江仁波切 和 至尊宋仁波切.
藏人行政中央批评多杰雄登是魔，为什么还要承认和推广这些高僧大德呢？ 通过认证/承认和推广那些转世的多杰雄登修行者，你已经在说多杰雄登不是魔。
尊贵的詹仁波切在这里所呈现的逻辑是非常清楚和无可辩驳的， 如果多杰雄登是邪魔，那么修行者应该堕落三恶道， 如果不是这样，那么佛陀说的是无效的。我相信任何一个佛教徒都能清楚地看清这个逻辑， 这并不复杂。
所以藏人行政中央所说和所做的是完全矛盾的，这是显而易见西藏领导层的指责完全不合逻辑的，纯粹是基于政治议程的。连最基本的佛法知识都不知，他们真丢人，
因藏人行政中央这种歧视而引起了多杰雄登护法修行者被隔离而遭受许多苦难，所以世人应支持多杰雄登禁令必须即刻解除，支持真正的宗教自由。
It will be interesting to hear what the Tibetan Leadership CTA have to say to these well thought out and very logical statements made by Rinpoche. Maybe CTA may say some illogical lame stuff among themselves in response to this video for they would not want to make public whatever they would want to say because they do not have anything logical to say. Whatever it is, HH The Dalai did recognise many reincarnated high lamas who were very loyal Dorje Shugden practitioners. And these reincarnated high lamas had very strong guru devotion that was the catalyst for their attainment. Their faith and loyalty to their root gurus were exemplary and rock solid unlike some students who spoke bad things of their gurus just to look good and wanting to be in the good books of other famous lamas
People who goes to 3 lower realms are people who have very strong attachment, anger, jealousy, greed, etc. So when they practice spirit, its because they want the spirits to help fulfil their wishes without putting much effort into practice according to the Buddha’s teaching, because spiritual practice is to eliminate one’s attachment whereby spirit practice is to enhance one’s attachments.
According to the many articles in this blog about Dorje Shugden, it is all following Buddha’s teaching, like to have compassion, be kind, practice Dharma, assisting Dharma practitioners to overcome their obstacles, and so on. So by looking at these, I don’t see the reason how Dorje Shugden can be a spirit, and in my entire life, I have never ever heard about Spirit will tell us to follow Buddha’s teaching, be kind etc.
Secondly, practicing spirit will lead us to the 3 lower realms, but looking at all the high lamas who practice Dorje Shugden for the past 400 years, they keep reincarnate back again and again until today to teach the Dharma, to spread Buddha’s teachings, in the video, Rinpoche showed so many lamas are practicing Dorje Shugden, this already the most powerful proof that Dorje Shugden is not a spirit.
As from the scripture, the Dhammapada says, “Attentive among the inattentive, Wide awake among the sleeping, The wise one advances, As a swift horse leaves behind a weak one.” The “scripture” that records the Buddha’s last teachings, the Buddha summarizes what he discovered with his awakening and what he taught during his 45 years as a Teacher. He significantly was said to be giving a list of practices that grow with a spiritual life, rather than recount a set of doctrines or a belief system. In a sense, Buddhist practice is said to be concerned with discovering what is the truest for each of us in our hearts and bodies rather than what tradition scriptures or teachers may tell us is “true”! It is further said that it will entail developing the trust and inner strength that allow us to be with things as they are instead of how we wish they could be! We are discovering a way to be present to everything – our full Humanity – so everything becomes a gate to freedom, to compassion and to ourselves, like what our good Guru, Tsem Rinpoche has taught to do! Nevertheless. whatever religion we are in, we should always maintain peace, love and happiness among all beings in this cruel World! Om Mani Padme Hung.
Thank you Rinpoche for the most incisive explanation on the false allegation by CTA on Dorje Shugden practices. First of all, CTA’s claim that practicing Dorje Shugden will send you to hell make no sense to me because they are so many masters & lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden have returned from their previous lives & still continue & promoting the practice. Just to name a few gelupa masters Kyabje Pabongka Dorje Chang Dangpo, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Dorje Chang as well as the Sakya masters 35th Sakya Throne Holder Tashi Rinchen, 33rd Sakya Throne Holder Pema Dudul Wangchuk, 31st Sakya Throne Holder Kunga Lodro, 30th Sakya Throne Holder Sonam Rinchen, they all practice Dorje Shugden. What even surprising to me is that though CTA is claiming that Dorje Shugden practice will send you to the lower three realms but yet they are continuing recognizing the reincarnations of lamas who engaged in the practice? One such great lama is the 11th Panchen lama, the reincarnation of the H.H. the 10th Panchen lama who is proven to have been a Dorje Shugden practitioner. Based on the above, I find the CTA is both illogical & contradicting in claiming that Dorje Shugden practice will bring harm & result in taking rebirth in the lower realms.
However, what is real & truth is that their selfish & undemocratic regime towards the thousands of practitioners have caused nothing virtuous but tremendous suffering to the practitioners since the ban started in 1996. Hence, I am appealing to CTA to please lift the ban & end all the unnecessary suffering immediately, not to save the enlightened deity from harm but to help thousands of people from becoming outcasts.
རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་བྱེད་ན་ངན་སོང་གསུམ་ལ་འགྲོ་ཡི་རེད་ཟེར་བ་འདི་རྫུན་མ་རྫུན་རྐྱང་བཙན་བྱོལ་བོད་གཞུང་གི་ཆབ་སྲིད་ཀྱི་ལས་འགུལ་ཙམ་མ་གཏོག་གཞན་གང་ཡང་མ་རེད། བོད་རིགས་སྤུན་ཟླ་ཚང་མ་འགོ་སྐོར་གཏོང་ནས་འདི་འདྲ་བཤད་པ་རེད། གལ་སྲིད་ངན་སོང་གསུམ་འགྲོ་ཟེར་ན་༧སྐྱབས་རྗེ་བླ་ཏི་རིན་པོ་ཆེའི་ཡང་སྲིད་གང་ཡིན་ནམ། ༧སྐྱབས་རྗེ་ཁྲི་བྱང་རིན་པོ་ཆེའི་ཡང་སྲིད་གང་ཡིན་ནམ། ༧སྐྱབས་རྗེ་ཟོང་རིན་པོ་ཆེའི་ཡང་སྲིད་གང་ཡིན་ནམ། འདི་ཚོ་ཚང་མ་སྤྱི་ཚོགས་ནང་འཁྲུག་ཞིང་རྒྱག་པའི་དཀྲོག་གཏམ་ཙམ་རེད། རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་མཁན་བླ་མ་སྐྱེས་ཆེན་དམ་པ་མང་པོའི་ཡང་སྲིད་ཕེབས་ནས་ཆོས་ཀྱི་མཛད་འཕྲིན་སྣ་ཚོག་རྒྱས་ཡོད་དེང་སང་ཚང་མས་མཁྱེན་གསལ་རེད། གནད་དོན་འདི་ཚོ་ལ་མ་ལྟོས་པར་རང་རེ་བོད་རིགས་སྤུན་ཟློ་རྣམས་ཆིག་སྒྲིལ་ཆགས་ན་བཟང་ངོ་།།
Dear Rinpoche,
Totally Agree Rinpoche said !!???
All the high lama and Geshe that Rinpoche mentioned like HH Phabongka Rinpoche, HH Trijang Ronpoche , HH Zong Rinpoche ,Ling Rinpoche ect…all already reincarnate back to spread Buddha Dharma and benefit sentient being !
If just like CTA mention that Dorje Shugden is a “spirit” , how come they all can reincarnate back ? If Dorje Shugden is a “spirit”, all high lama already break their Refuge vows, Boddhicitta Vows and tantric Vows, how come they all can reincarnate back ?
Also important point, if Dorje Shugden is a “spirits” , thousand of this high lama included HH Trijang Rinpoche ( tutor of HH Dalai Lama) not realise on it ? I DON’T THINK SO. This should we think deep about it.
All the evidence from Rinpoche were proofs that practice Dorje Shugden NOT a spirits and didn’t harm and will NOTgo to three lower realms if we practice on it. ???
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA
Wish all high Lama Tashi Delek, Good health , always turning the Dharma Wheel , Buddhas and Tsongkhapa teachings and Dorje Shugden practice will spread to ten direction to benefit all the sentient being to the enlightenment path.
With Folded Hands❤
Yeo Kwai Gin
Thank you, H.E the 25th Tsem Rinpoche, for Rinpoche’s teaching why Dorje Shugden People do not Go to the Three Lower Realms.
The teaching being clear is an understatement, the facts presented by this teaching points to PERFECT logical clarity to the falsity that CTA had and still trying to confuse people with.
The facts are resoundingly logical to the right minded people in this world.
Besides pointing to the fact that Dorje Shugden people DO NOT Go the three lower realms, what impacted me the most is that CTA saying that Dorje Shugden is but a minor practice, then CTA should not create so much fuss about the practice.
It is my point of view that CTA fears the countless number of people who do worship Dorje Shugden and want to create disharmony and disunity over Tibetans in order to control them unscrupulously. Another point is also to use Tibetans’ refugee status to solicit funds without having to do anything for the Tibetans. And get away with it by distracting Tibetans to something to fear from ie the practice of Dorje Shugden.
Thank you Rinpoche for this profound teaching. Rinpoche had gave a very clear explanation, logical, facts and examples that Dorje Shugden people do not go the three lower realms.
Rinpoche has given a very clear explanation on the Refuge Vows and it is very important to holding our refuge vow very well because it is the basis of gaining attainments from our meditational practice on tantra. Without holding the refuge vow correctly, it like a house without the foundation and everything will be collapse or everything is gone. The rules of thumbs of refuge vow is guru, we take refuge to the guru, without the guru, there is no Dharma and guru is on top of everything. Guru is the only person gave us teaching, guidance and practice based on Buddha’s teaching. So Rinpoche has shown to all of us what is spiritual integrity. A promise is a promise and we should never gave up.
Rinpoche has share with us that there are so many lamas practicing Dorje Shugden so it’s not like CTA claimed that it is just a minor practice. Regardless how many people are practicing the Dorje Shugden, CTA has no right to ban people practicing it. If CTA claims they are democratic, they should give the Tibetan people the freedom to believe, religion, practice, speech and choice of living. By openly degrade and discourages the practices of Dorje Shugden in the website like Tibet.net and DalaiLama.com, it is discriminate and create more harms to the their own Tibetan people. This is not democratic.
There is so many lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden do not go to the three lower realms, they are even reincarnated back as high lamas. It is clearly and obviously show to everyone that the Dorje Shugden people do not go to the three lower realms. Furthermore, the Tibetan Government did recognizing the reincarnation of those lamas who engaged in the practice. The very good example is Trijang Rinpoche. Tibetan government is contradict themselves.
With folded hands, I appeal to His Holiness Dalai Lama to lift the Dorje Shugden ban immediately. Let’s all the Tibetan people are united to be peace and harmony.
This is a very powerful teaching. This video will definitely shake the world and open up many people’s mind. I humbly thank my guru H.E. the 25th Tsem Tulku Rinpoche for clearing the doubt to those who had blindly believed on what was told by HHDL and CTA.
It’s 21 century now. We do not just believe without questioning. All the sufferings can be avoid if everyone take a step forward and think deeper.
Why is CTA using religion to confused Tibetan? People are sufferings due to the ban. Families were split and being forced to give up their practice by CTA. All Buddhists in teh world are confused because they were being told cannot associate with Dorje Shugden people. Millions of Dorje Shugden practitioners all over the world, were not allowed to enter many dharma centres and temples. Hence, is that means, Dorje Shugden practitioners not allowed to have Dharma? Then why in everyday prayer we dedicate to all sentient beings?
After all, Lord Buddha taught us to practice compassion and wisdom not discrimination. No religion should practice discrimination. CTA is ashamed to tell the world they practice democracy.
There are so many great masters relied on Dorje Shugden, and now they have reincarnated in perfect human body form and continue their previous life’s dharma works for the benefit of others. Even some of the senior monks are practicing Dorje Shugden for over 70 years and they have no intention to give up the practice as they hold guru devotion strongly and believe in Dorje Shugden.
We are so fortunate to see our direct lineage gurus have reincarnated and returned in perfect human body form including HH Kyabje Pabongka Choktrul Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Choktrul Rinpoche and our precious guru, H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche . We should always remember and contemplate how our guru has changed our life and how kindness and compassion of our guru to learn dharma from his guru and pass the teachings to us. This is very powerful when we are focus and contemplate on that , which is really helps a lot in our spiritual growth.
Now, CTA asked the people not to practice Dorje Shugden with the reason that those who practise Dorje Shugden will take rebirth in the Three Lower Realms. This is totally go against what the lineage gurus have given. Personally, I think the CTA’s advice not to practice Dorje Shugden is the cause for the people to take rebirth in the Three Lower Realms. In 50 Verses of Guru Devotion stated clearly that only by practicing the methods taught by the guru, purifying our mind and accumulating merit can lead us towards enlightenment. But, what CTA has done are actually bring much harm to the Tibetan cause.
A good religion will always promote peace and harmony, bring people closer to each other. Those haters, schismatic and pretend to be all mighty are to watch out and becareful.
CTA has done so many wrong to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. CTA has went to the extend of physical abused Dorje Shugden followers, and high lamas, some to the extremes, being killed. There are tons of evidences, there is no way CTA can deny any of this.
What CTA accused of DS followers are definitely not true, there are many high lamas like H.H Trijang Rinpoche who is a lineage holder, reincarnated again this life and continues his practice of Dorje Shugden. I believes the law of Karma said those who are evil, committed lots of negative karma (like what CTA had done) will take rebirth in hell.
The following highly attained Lamas practiced Dorje Shugden in their past lives and have currently taken a perfect human life to continue to turn the wheel of Dharma to benefit many beings. They are
** H.E Tsem Tulku Rinpoche
** H.E Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche
** H.E Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche
** H.E Kyabje Zong Rinpoche
** H.E Denma Gonsar Rinpoche
** H.E the 14th Dalai Lama
Hence, the statement made that “Dorje Shugden practitioners will take rebirth in the lower realms” is totally INVALID !!!
Thank you Rinpoche for your blessed teachings ! With folded hands
The Tibetan leadership CTA has been saying that “Dorje Shugden is spirit worship”. If anyone worship spirit, he/she would be breaking the refuge vows and will go to the three lower realms. However, we have so many facts to show that many high lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden strongly such as HH Trijang Rinpoche (Tutor of HH Dalai Lama), Lama Yeshe, Domo Geshe Rinpoche, H.E. Kyabje Lati Rinpoche, etc etc, are reincarnated back and CTA has also recognised their current incarnation, CTA is just contradicting what they are saying that Dorje Shugden practice is a spirits and will go to the three lower realms.
Thank you Rinpoche for such a logical and easy to understand explanation to make us understand Dorje Shugden is not a spirit but an enlightened beings.
May the ban be lifted soonest and there is no discrimination and sufferings.
What Rinpoche is teaching is the fundamental principle of Buddhism why Dorje Shugden people do not go to the three lower realms and it serves as a powerful knowledge to all especially people who have been mislead by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA).
Dorje Shugden practice is a 400-year old tradition and evidenced by many Lamas practising Dorje Shugden they have reincarnated life after life in the human form to benefit the world.
感恩仁波切一向依止上师的教诲和维护宗喀巴大师传承之道场，仁波切领可受到欺辱也从不投暗弃明。还是一一的道出修持多杰雄登护法的真相和来龙去脉， 让大家恍然大悟, 真相大白。我要向仁波切三大顶礼。 达赖喇嘛尊者一向呼吁世界和平，宗教，人权自由，但多杰雄登修持者就被欺辱和被排挤。难道达赖喇嘛尊者一话两制，马头不对马嘴，自相矛盾？请问尊者到底葫芦卖的是什么药呢？ 搞到CTA和西藏人民?犬不宁]。
我也是修持多杰雄登护法者，我觉得修持多杰雄登护法很安全。祂不只帮助我清理了日常面对的障碍也让我有善的心识转化。我也推荐护法给其他需要帮忙的善男信女，从中他们都受到多杰雄登护法的加持而消除了一切面对的种种障碍。多杰雄登护法是一个证悟的护法也是文殊菩萨的化身，祂时时刻刻都像徵着保护宗喀巴大师传承之道场，弘扬佛教教法，为三宝镇光。而且世界各地的多杰雄登的修持者大多数都是吉祥如意，和平相处， 尊师重道，这不是达赖喇嘛尊者想要的吗？
According to dalailama.com, the ways to recognize reincarnations are as follow:-
After the system of recognizing Tulkus came into being, various procedures for going about it began to develop and grow. Among these some of the most important involve the predecessor’s predictive letter and other instructions and indications that might occur; the reincarnation’s reliably recounting his previous life and speaking about it; identifying possessions belonging to the predecessor and recognizing people who had been close to him. Apart from these, additional methods include asking reliable spiritual masters for their divination as well as seeking the predictions of mundane oracles, who appear through mediums in trance, and observing the visions that manifest in sacred lakes of protectors like Lhamoi Latso, a sacred lake south of Lhasa. When there happens to be more than one prospective candidate for recognition as a Tulku, and it becomes difficult to decide, there is a practice of making the final decision by divination employing the dough-ball method (zen tak) before a sacred image while calling upon the power of truth.
Therefore these reincarnations which Rinpoche mentioned in the video, are unmistaken because the Dalai Lama himself is the reliable spiritual master who approved the recognitions of these tulkus who practiced Dorje Shugden in their previous lives.
The big question mark is, why recognised these reincarnation who reincarnate back into the human form if “they should have gone to the three lower realms” according to CTA?
On one side, the Central Tibetan Government (CTA) said, if you practice the Dorje Shugden deity, you will go to the 3 lower realms. This was one of the basis CTA used as a reason to ban the Dorje Shugden practice. At the same time, CTA also “said” through their actions of recognising individuals who came back to the human realm after practicing Dorje Shugden in their previous lives, that Dorje Shugden practice does not bring DS practitioners to the lower realms.
Contradiction and inconsistent statements usually happen when truths are bend accordingly to suit their own agenda. So what is CTA’s real agenda? Why ban the practice saying it’s bad and at the same time “approve” the practice? Whatever the agenda, there are LIVING PROOF that people do not go to the three lower realms from practicing Dorje Shugden, hence CTA should stop using this reason to “advise” (to put things mildly) against Dorje Shugden practice.
谢谢仁波切用心的用很逻辑的方式为我们讲解，修习多杰雄登护法不会堕入下三恶趣。千万个咧子和证据证明，修习雄登护法的高僧大德，在这300年以来，不间断的转世，成为活佛然后传承法教，这是铁一番的事实。
藏人行政中央应该停止对多杰雄登修持者的一切污蔑，抹黑，的行动！这一切不能被推翻证据，说明了多杰雄登不是魔，而且是证悟的护法。修持雄登法门只有益处，更不会堕入三恶趣。
This clear and logical presentation of the facts by Rinpoche, without any doubt, destroys the basis of all the assertions made by the CTA regarding enlightened protector Dorje Shugden.
The CTA should quit trying to play spiritual priest and withdraw all material, publications, resolutions, rules, regulations, directives, campaigns and assertions regarding Dorje Shugden which it has no basis for doing so. The CTA is obviously no Holy See.
Otherwise, all these actions in the past which have been carried out clearly with wrong motivation, will continue to destroy Tibetans spiritually, culturally, and break Tibetan unity like a cancer.
I pray that a real end to the Dorje Shugden ban will come soonest and that healing can take place and the Dharma flourish in all ten directions.
The logic that H.E.Tsem Rinpoche presented here is very clear and irrefutable. If Dorje Shugden practitioners are practicing demon or spirit practice, they should have gone to the three lower realm. If they don’t, then what Buddha has said is not valid. The law of karma also is proven wrong. However, those high lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden have reincarnated back. They are even recognized by H.H Dalai Lama and the CTA itself.
What CTA is trying to say here? If you are criticizing Dorje Shugden so badly as demon, why recognize those high lamas? By recognizing those reincarnated Dorje Shugden practitioners, you already are saying that Dorje Shugden is not a demon.
So, it’s either CTA is accusing something that’s totally illogical and purely based on political agenda or what the Buddha has said is wrong.
I believe any Buddhist can see through this logic clearly. It’s nothing complicated.
Unless one is a Dorje Shugden practitioner or read up well, it is easy to just assume what Tibetan leadership declared that Dorje Shugden is spirit worship to be true. There is a lot of prior knowledge required and even the Tibetans on the street wouldn’t be able to discern the misinformation and justifications given.
No matter how it is not right to denigrate and discriminate other faith no matter how small the number of believers. It is just plain wrong. It is not compassion. Superiority in numbers or powers doesn’t automatically allows one’s act to become ‘compassionate’.
The information presented here is so much logical and clears many inconsistencies and confusions created by Tibetan leadership to discriminate one’s belief. Hopefully with deeper thinking the misunderstanding will be clear. ?
The CTA is very much mixing religion with politics causing more sufferings ,pain and hardship to the Dorje Shugden practitioners and non-practitioners world wide. Here the CTA recognizing the new reincarnation of the Lamas and here they said those who practicing Dorje Shugden will lead to the 3 lower realms. What are they the CTA meant to said that all reincarnation high lamas will be lead them to the lower realms . The CTA are confusing everyone. That is not the truth . It is the reincarnations of various Dorje Shugden people that tell us the truth that the practise do not bring us to lower realms.
The high Lamas would not have reincarnated back to continue their Dharma work. There are in fact many, many high lamas had reincarnated back such as the Sakya masters The 35th Sakya Throne Holder Tashi Rinchen, The 33rd Sakya Throne Holder Pema Dudul Wangchuk to name a few. Some have even composed prayers, kangsols , or pujas to Dorje Shugden. Many of them practised Dorje Shugden , give Dorje Shugden initiation, give Dorje Shugden practice and promote as well.
CTA please have the understanding and logic to say what is true and what is not . The truth must be revail not lies. Please speaks the truth and watch, read these article.
May HH Dalai Lama please stop the sufferings of many and have religious freedom.
Thank you Rinpoche for sharing the truth and only truth.
Thank you Rinpoche for taking the time to do the Facebook live video and giving us a chance to listen and learn from it.
I have watched the video and what Rinpoche said made absolute sense.
If practising Dorje Shugden really brings us to the 3 lower realms.. the most evident will be why Rinpoche can still be reborn and recognised and able to teach us the Dharma and the practice of Dorje Shugden?
His Holiness Dalai Lama also recognised many high lamas and Tulkus that were practicing Dorje shugden in their previous lives.. so does that means HHDL made a mistake in recognising them? Otherwise, then it is not true that practising Dorje Shugden will lead us to the 3 lower realms.
I really like how Rinpoche uses such simple contradictions to wake us up from the lies that are being published on those CTA websites. If such a simple logic is still not truth enough to prove that the practice of Dorje Shugden is beneficial and not harmful, I don’t know what else is.
Thank you Rinpoche.
There are so many erudite masters practice Dorje Shugden for the past 400 years. These masters keep reincarnating back as High Lamas and holding high position in the monasteries. So how can Dorje Shugden practice can bring us to the 3 lower realms? It really make no sense at all. We must look at the facts and proofs too before saying that the practice is bad.
Thank you Rinpoche for taking time to do a live Facebook video feed.
I have watched and read the blog and it is very clear that whatever was said about practising Dorje Shugden will NOT bring us to the 3 lower realms.
This is very evident with all the great Tulkus and Rinpoches and also your great Eminence that all are reborn and enthroned and recognised. More so, some of the great incarnates are even recognised by His Holiness Dalai Lama.
This is most definitely contradicting to what is being publicised on the websites and videos of the CTA.
Thank you Rinpoche.
Thank you, Rinpoche, for this logical sharing. It clearly explains the ludicrous reason used by CTA to demonize Dorje Shugden. If Dorje Shugden practitioners go to the three lower realms as claimed by CTA, that means all the high lamas who practiced, prayed to and promoted to DS would not have reincarnated back in perfect human form to continue their work.
And on one hand, CTA claims that DS practitioners will go to the three lower realms yet, on the other hand, they fight to recognize high lama’s incarnation as in the case of Domo Geshe Rinpoche. CTA is contradicting themselves.
Coupled with the evidence shown in Tsem Rinpoche’s earlier video on why can’t high lamas bind Dorje Shugden if he is an evil spirit, it is clear that the CTA does not know what they are talking about. If the CTA is unsure and unclear about what they are talking about, they should not issue official statements to confuse people. They should lift the ban on Dorje Shugden based on the falseful logic immediately as it is divisive and causing disunity among the Tibetans.
Thank you Rinpoche for boldly speaking up to clarify all the convoluted misinformation by the Tibetan leadership. It clear that CTA’s trumped up allegations are full of contradictions and easily debunked with logic. Take for example, this flimsy allegation of Dorje Shugden being a spirit where the Tibetan leadership clearly shot themselves on the foot so to speak. Following CTA’s logic (or illogic for that matter), (i) none of the Dorje Shugden lamas would have returned as they are already doomed in the 3 lower realms (ii) the credibility of many high lamas including the H.H the Dalai Lama would be in question as they are the ones recognising and enthroning the reincarnations of the Dorje Shugden lamas. In addition, it would also lead to severe consequences of bringing into question the viability of entire lineage. Considering that it is clear that the justification for Dorje Shugden ban does not hold water and does nothing but bring pain as well suffering to Tibetans, it is only logical and right for the Tibetan leadership to do away with such ban.
Thank you, Tsem Rinpoche for sharing such logical thoughts for people to think more regarding the “reason” behind the BAN of Dorje Shugden. It’s unnecessary and causing harms to innocents. There is no one reason that the CTA give is making sense.
CTA need to watch this video if they really wish to unite their people and rebuild Tibet??
I believe Tibetan governmnet in exile is manage to fool people when knowledge and evidence are not there to expose their lies. However with knowledge about the foundation of attainments in Buddhism were well explained by H.E. Tsem Rinpoche in the video, evidence were clearly presented and proved how illogical is to try to convince people that by practising Dorje Shugden you are going to Three Lower Realms; thus lies and manipulation by Tibetan government in exile were easily exposed. What Rinpoche has provided is not proof, explanation in ilogical to counter the lies, but to offer knowledge and truth to clear away the fear of going to Three Lower Realms.
And, all these explanations and logic are explained in such a logic and calm manner. There is without condemn, accusations or attacks, but truth being speak up fearlessly, for the benefits of many. Wishing many can listen and read with unbias and open mind, to create less suffering and gain happiness and hope for ourselves and others.
I thank Rinpoche for his supreme logic, for one is if one has broken one’s refuge views by relying on a spirit then that person would have never come back in a perfect human form. Yet all the high Lamas of the Gelug tradition and known Dorje Shugden practitioners returned again and again.Not only that, the fact that the CTA, tried to recognize other persons as Domo Geshe shows you that the CTA themselves do not believe practicing Dorje Shugden leads one to the lower realms.
Thank you Rinpoche for sharing very important facts to denounce the myth that by praying to Dorje Shugden (DS) one will fall into the 3 lower realms. In addition to the many names of high lamas who have relied upon DS and have returned back to continue teaching and spreading the dharma (as a high lama), the fact about His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorjechang, the Junior Tutor of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama practiced Dorje Shugden, again till the end of his life. According to the Tibetan leadership, this means that the Dalai Lama’s own tutor died a spirit worshipper and therefore, according their basis for banning the practice, Trijang Rinpoche should have taken rebirth in the three lower realms. So why then is the Dalai Lama himself recognizing the reincarnation of his teacher, Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche?
Thus it appears the Tibetan’s Exile Government attempt to brainwash and frighten its own people into avoiding DS and demonising DS is done on a basis which is unfounded and illogical.
It is also interesting that Rinpoche had mentioned that His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorjechang had predicted that the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden are in conflict with each other to the ordinary eye, through the conventional sense and through conventional observation. But ultimately, it is about the expansion of the Buddhadharma.
Though one who takes refuge in DS may be in conflict with the Dalai Lama and Central Tibetan Administration decision on DS, one must still maintain high respect and gratitude to HH the Dalai Lama and to request with folded hands to HH, : as our mere mortal minds cannot see nor understand exactly why such conflict exist between HH and DS, we can still respectfully request HH to lift the ban and negative perception on DS because many have been suffering due to the segregation and prejudice (and sometimes even violence ) held against all who take refuge in DS.
Thus with folded hands we bow to HH and request in your great compassion please lift the ban and negative perception on DS so that harmony may reign, fellowship restored and peace of mind for the masses who have been living in fear all these years, just because they chose to follow the Guru who blessed them with Dorje Shugden and were exercising their fundamental right to freedom of religion.
Dear Rinpoche,
A person or animal can be rebirth as a spirit have a very negative karma and thoughts. How can Dorje Shugden “rebirth” as a spirit? Look at the line or reincarnation that Dorje Shugden – all reincarnate as High Lamas, erudite masters and lineage holder and every reincarnation have benefited tremendously to sentient beings. A being, that has always have the mind to benefits sentient beings how can he be incarnate as a spirit?
CTA, promoting to the world that they are democratic, peace and harmony, have just slapped their face by putting and enforce Dorje Shugden’s ban onto their own people. They themselves have violated the Democratic rule! The Central Tibetan Administration [CTA ] trying to use religion to divide and rules their people so that their people always live in fear and easy to be in controlled. So that, their people even the world could not see that CTA has failed their promise back to China. It is so obvious that they openly blame Dorje Shugden as a cause of their failure! The world, fooled by their “victim” images thought that they are suppressed by China badly, without much information on Who is Dorje Shugden, have also blindly followed them.
If practicing Dorje Shugden would go to 3 lower realms, then why should the H.H Dalai Lama still recognize the reincarnate of these practitioners? And ordained them as monks again, doesn’t H.H Dalai Lama afraid of the lineage being contaminated?
There are many illogical reasons use by the CTA to enforce on Dorje Shugden’s ban. As time goes on, those reasons can’t fool people who have wisdom and truly learned about Tibetan Buddhism, it will make the CTA looks stupid and their agenda will float to the surface.
I do believe on H.H Trijang Rinpoche have mentioned that ““In the future it will look like the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden are in conflict with each other to the ordinary eye” In today’s world, we are so degenerate that we seem to like to read and know about “conflict”. Look at the newspaper today, the news that sells is all about conflict. Anyhow, I still wish that the Dorje Shugden’s ban should lift fast and stopped the bullied and harm towards each other as a human beings, and as a Buddhist.
And, yes! I will continue to practice Dorje Shugden and introduce Dorje Shugden to many peoples who need helps, looking at so many high Lama, erudite masters have reincarnated back as a human. The strong point is, they continue to be in dharma and is also a lineage holder.
Thank you Rinpoche for bringing out the illogical part of Dorje Shugden’s ban and enable us to have more wisdom.
With Love
Freon
Out of the three new videos, this is the one that really rocks it for me. My favourite section of the entire video was when all the lamas names – every single one of the 208 names – was read out.
Like the previous two new videos, the logic is incredibly sound and clearly explained. Rinpoche appears to be addressing the reasons for the Dorje Shugden ban, one topic one video at a time – explaining with informed facts and clarity.
I can’t wait for the next video!
There are many reasons to be borne in the three lower realms. But one thing for sure is when someone very obsessed or very attached over something and when they pass on the last thing in the mind of that item, will take rebirth in the form of a spirit.
If by practicing Dorje Shugden (DS) will bring us to three lower realms and why does His Holiness Dalai Lama (HHDL) and CTA bother to recognize some of the great Lamas as mentioned by His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche in his video ‘The Reasons Why People Who Practice Dorje Shugden Do Not Go To the Three Lower Realms’.
Hence, from all the evidence and logical explanation by His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche, I believe CTA contradicted its own statement about the DS is a spirit.
As a Buddhist practitioner, it always emphasize on Compassion. Well, if you are not a Buddhist practitioner, you should have a basic humanity, so what is so great making DS practitioner suffer by fulfill your wish.
If CTA really wants to practice democracy please remove negative statements in Tibet.net and DalaiLama.com about Lord DS
Thank you
If we study the history of Tibetan Buddhism in the last few hundred years, we can find that Dorje Shugden is being practiced by many high lamas. If Dorje Shugden practitioners are indeed like what Tibetan leadership said, then there will not be much reincarnated lamas these days because a big population of them would have gone to three lower realms.
This is yet another case of Tibetan leadership shooting themselves in the foot again.They have made up stories and claims for their own benefits, but they are not very smart in making claims, and their claims can be easily debunked with simple logic debate. The only way for their strategy to work, is to make sure their people to be as naive as possible, but unfortunately for them, people are getting smarter and getting many information from internet instead of just information from Tibetan leadership itself.
I thank Tsem Rinpoche for such simple yet very logic reasoning to refute the false claims by Tibetan leadership. I look forward to more logic (and interesting) videos from Tsem Rinpoche!
Thank you Rinpoche for the very logical explanation. I really really hope that anti Forje Shugden people, CTA and HHDL will watch the videos that Rinpoche took time to explain with wisdom, compassion, facts and pure logic.
What was explained by Rinpoche was something I asked myself before when I learned more about Dorje Shugden’s ban. Why is it inconsistent and confusing? How come on one hand, those high Lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden can be recognized but in the other hand, Dorje Shugden practitioners go to lower three realms for practicing?
This show how incompetent CTA is. They blame everything on Dorje Shugden without facts nor logic. HHDL is Chenrezig, how can he be harmed by Dorje Shugden?
We as Dorje Shugden practitioners have the right to practice what we choose. We are not even Tibetans. How can they discriminate ALL practitioners?
May this post shed light to those who are having wrong view on Dorje Shugden’s ban.
Just as Trijang Rinpoche said before, “In order for someone to become convinced that Dorje Shugden was a worldly spirit “A mountain of absurd consequences, previously non-existent distorted ideas, would have to be accepted.” Here Tsem Rinpoche presented hundreds and names of high lamas who practice Dorje Shugden, some have been practicing since their previous lifetimes, and still reincarnate and continue the practice. What better evidence do we need to be convinced that practicing Dorje Shugden is not harmful, let alone resulting in the three lower realms? “mountain of absurd consequences” indeed.
This is a wonderfully direct and logical discourse on the failings of the ban. This is precisely what we need right now to lift the ban because people need logical conclusions especially for the masses out there. Most people are just ordinary people who are on the periphery of Tibetan Buddhism looking in and trying their best to make sense of this whole Shugden ban and deciding why the Buddha’s teachings on wisdom and compassion has degenerated into a ban on a religious practice.
Even the very basis of the ban does not hold water and while logical conclusion about the enlightened nature of the ban is very concrete and actually replete with proof that Dorje Shugden is indeed enlightened. I love how rinpoche actually dissected the explanations of a spirit and of how great lamas of the past and present who relied on Dorje Shugden are not wrong and not only that, they have successfully taken rebirth.
Furthermore, the hypocrisy of the Tibetan government for enshrining the Shugden ban within the Tibetan charter specifically mentioned the ban on Dorje Shugden. The Tibeta government identifies itself as a democratic state but where does the Shugden ban fit into the scheme of things? it does not. There is no basis and in fact, it gives us logical basis to conclude not in favor of the removal of the ban.
Thank you Rinpoche and the team.
Dorje Shudgen is not a minor practise and it has been practise since Sakya times and by all High Lamas.
Dorje Shugen is definately not spirits. More than 100’s of High Lamas who practise Dorje Shudgen has been reincarnate time after time to benefit sentient beings and still practise at this moment. It can’t be wrong.
CTA is just confusing people and making all this unnecessary issues causing so many suffering-anger , hatred ,descrimation and segregration.
Pray that the ban be lifted as soon as possible and may there be unity among all for the benefit of everyone,for peace and happiness.
May those who have wrong view be clear and may HH Dalai Lama open up and lift up the ban asap.
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H.E. Tsem Rinpoche gave a very clear explanation of the false claims made by the Tibetan leadership to justify banning the practice of the enlightened Protector Dorje Shugden. If you examine the “reasons” given by the Tibetan leadership, you will find the reasons unacceptable and illogical.
If you are a Buddhist and believe in reincarnation, then the many practitioners of Dorje Shugden who reincarnated & were recognised again shows you that there cannot be a fault with Dorje Shugden’s practice.
If you are not a Buddhist, then I am sure you believe in human rights. Everyone should have the right to practice their own religion, which is considered by most people and governments as a fundamental human right. The use of threat, discrimination, ostracisation, and penal sanction to compel Dorje Shugden practitioners to recant their beliefs or convert is a total opposite of what the nations in the world promote today and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by many nations since 1948.
It is unacceptable, shocking and revolting that the official website of the Central Tibetan Administration has a section that promotes hatred towards Shugden practitioners. This is made worse by the unanimous resolution dated 17 March 2014 naming Dorje Shugden practitioners as criminals in history.
Please share this post by H.E. Tsem Rinpoche to stop the discrimination, ostracisation, and persecution of Dorje Shugden practitioners. This is not right in this day and age and this is a plea on behalf or many Tibetans, especially old monks who do not speak, read or write English to inform the media about their suffering of over 20 years since 1996.
Thank you Rinpoche for this powerful teaching that it make a lot of sense to us. As a Dharma practitioner what do we learn from the holy teaching is kindness and compassion so all these high lama who convey any teaching or empowerment it must be genuine because is their responsible that make sure all their teaching is correct otherwise whoever who practice this teaching will not bring any benefits to them so how could possible that by practicing Dorje Shugden one will go to lower three realm that is impossible and illogical , hence no way Dorje Shuden is a spirits and his practice is genuine .
I cannot thank Rinpoche enough for being so open and courageous about speaking up on this beneficial but often misunderstood Protector practice.
Through Rinpoche’s clear and logical explanation during the live stream, we know that:
1) Dorje Shugden practice does not result in people going to the Three Lower Realms. This has been proven by all the Lamas who have returned in perfect human form to continue their virtuous works.
2) H.H. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was H.H 14th Dalai Lama’s tutor who gave him many teachings, initiations and helped shape HHDL to who he is today. If practising Dorje Shugden is bad, won’t the teachings transmitted be bad as well? But we don’t see that. Because of Trijang Rinpoche’s teachings and guidance, HHDL became an erudite master who is a Nobel Prize winner and one of the most recognisable figures on this planet.
3) The section on Dorje Shugden in CTA’s website (http://tibet.net/important-issues/dolgyal-shugden/) is clearly undemocratic and against basic human rights of freedom of worship. No other country in the world, including those who are not practising democracy, has a whole section dedicated to marginalise and discriminate their own citizens.
CTA has used Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to mask their failures for far too long. Time to unmask the truth. I stand with my Guru and thank Him for continuously showing that we should speak up for things that matter.
With folded hands, I appeal to His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama to lift the Shugden ban immediately. Let the healing begin and unite all Tibetans, no matter what faiths they may be.
If Dorje Shugen practitioners go to hell, then why did the Dalai Lama recognize the reincarnations of previous Dorje Shugden lamas including Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche? Surely, Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang would not be able to reincarnate in perfect form as a human.
“He practised Dorje Shugden till the end of his life. His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang lived till 81 years old and everything that he had received from his gurus is broken, is not valid and impotent just because he practised Dorje Shugden? That is what the Tibetan leadership is telling us.
So, if that is the case then whatever teachings Trijang Rinpoche has, is broken, is impotent and has no blessings because he worshipped a spirit — the spirit of Dorje Shugden. Therefore, whatever he gave the Dalai Lama is also broken, not relevant, not powerful, and has no blessings. So does that mean the Dalai Lama has been giving teachings to the whole world that came from a spirit worshiper? Is that possible?”
Why the inconsistency? Why on the one hand, they say that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit and those who worship him will go to the lower realms, but on the other hand they recognize reincarnations of lamas who worshiped Dorje Shugden all their lives? So, does that mean that you don’t go to the lower realm even if you worship Dorje Shugden despite the Tibetan Leadership saying so?
Thank you Rinpoche for the powerfully precise and logical arguments you have
presented here to show, without the shadow of a doubt,why Dorje Shugden
practitioners do not go to the lower realms.
The Tibetan Leadership says that Dorje Shugden practice is a minor practice .
As such it is a deviant practice, practiced by a small group who refuse
to follow the main tenets of Tibetan Buddhism.Hence the necessity to stamp it out.
The following arguments refute this most clearly and convincingly.
First of all, freedom of religion as enshrined in any democratic constitution, allows
everyone to practice any faith of their choice,regardless of whether there are two or 400
followers(as in the case of Shugden practice).
Furthermore, it is ridiculous and does not make any sense to say that Dorje
Shugden is a minor and deviant practice. Hundreds of highly attained Shugden Lamas have,over the years, engaged in Shugden practice and continue to engage in it.
Their students have also transmitted teachings to tens of thousands of their students,
who in turn have transmitted the teachings to their students!And these great Shugden Lamas have reincarnated!
What’s more illogical is that the Tibetan leadership has recognised and enthroned them!
If Shugden were a spirit, shouldn’t these incarnations of Shugden Lamas be reborn in
the three lower realms,as the Tibetan leadership had pronounced would happen when it enforced the ban? Why are you recognising them as incarnate Lamas, if indeed they had gone to the lower realms?
Such great Masters as Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje
Zong Rinpoche and the 10th Panchen Lama have reincarnated back!
Thus has Tsem Rinpoche convincingly proven that Dorje Shugden is NOT a spirit and
the whole ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden has NO LOGICAL BASIS!
The Tibetan leadership has done a gross injustice especially to
great Shugden Lamas, like Tsem Rinpoche, who tirelessly work to proliferate the Dharmaand the practice of Dorje Shugden for the benefit of all beings and who are being condemned for practicing Dorje Shugden , a practice given to them by their Root Gurus.
With folded hands, we appeal to Your Holiness to lift the ban for the sake of unity of all
Tibetans and so that the needless suffering of all Dorje Shugden practitioners will cease. May the Dalai Lama live long to turn the wheel of Dharma to benefit countless beings.
Thank you Rinpoche for giving such a very logical explanation and example of Dorje Shugden practitioners do not go to the three lower realms. Over past 400 years many erudite masters practices Dorje Shugden practice had proven their attainment and if this protector practice is harmful I don’t think it will take such a long time for HH Dalai Lama now to encountered and to stop this practice. I strongly believe the great master during those days would have the attainment to see and definitely stop this practice from harming anyone instead of passing it down up today.
Dorje Shugden never been an issue until the Tibetan leadership use it as a scapegoat for causing His Holiness short life and affect Tibetan cause. This baseless claimed causes so much suffering to many people in many level. No government would interfere anyone spiritual practice and in order to bring peace and harmony the leader would respect and allow freedom for unity. Tibetan leadership using spiritual to control their people is really a bad strategy and it should not exist at this time anymore.
The return of the Dorje Shugden lamas that explained by Rinpoche is the biggest prove of the contradiction claimed by His Holiness and Tibetan leadership. Many people be it famous or not ordinary may say anything on our practices but I believe what important is our devotion and faith to our Guru that unconditionally help us in our life. Their compassion tirelessly love us with his passion to teach us with pure dharma that we can see from the result.
I hope His Holiness will unite back Dorje Shugden practitioners and allow us to his talk again.
In the video, H.E. Tsem Rinpoche has, with logic and proof, debunked the claim that Dorje Shugden practitioners go to the three lower realms. His Eminence has also, with respect and humility, requested H.H. the Dalai Lama to remove the stigma against Dorje Shugden and accept the Dorje Shugden people, because “they are people too and they deserve compassion and they are Tibetans too.” I see the logic and understand the reasons given by Rinpoche. Therefore, I strongly support H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s appeal to the Tibetan leadership to remove the ban. May His Holiness and the Tibetan leadership (CTA) remove the ban on Dorje Shugden for the sake of unity of the Tibetan people.
The Tibetan Leadership made statement that practice Dorje Shugden is to break your refuge vows. You will be sent the Three Lower Realms.
According to the Buddha’s teachings, the refuge vows are the root vows. If you break your refuge vows it means you also break all vows including novice and full-ordination vows, Bodhisattva vows and Tantric vows. Under such circumstances, you cannot achieve attainments.
This is one part that caught my attention. The root guru of the Dalai Lama was Trijang Rinpoche who previous life was a Dorje Shugden practitioner. Is that means Trijang Rinpoche broke his Refuge vows, Bodhisattava vows and Tantra vows? If that’s so, there will be no incarnation for this life. The fact is Dalai Lama himself recognized and approved Trijang Rinpoche incarnation. Secondly, whatever Trijang Rinpoche gave to the Dalai Lama is also broken, not relevant, not powerful, has no blessings and impure? Does that means the Dalai Lama has been spreading teachings from a spirit worshipper? All this doesn’t make sense at all.
The statement made by Tibetan Leadership that Dorje Shugden is a spirit, and will sent you to the Three Lower Realm is clearly BASELESS and RIDICULOUS. Out of compassion Tsem Rinpoche gives teachings, knowledge and information about Dorje Shugden because no one should suffer from religious practice and all these sufferings have to come to an end. There are solid proofs from countless great lamas who holding strong on their Dorje Shugden practice, they have been incarnate life after life and Dalai Lama recognized and approved them.
谢谢仁波切的分享。
多杰雄登禁令已经存在多年， 那么多年来藏人行政中央一直所说的都是一样的原因： 修习多杰雄登会让我们坠入三恶趣、会伤害达赖喇嘛等。 不够这些原因是不是合理的呢？
一位佛教徒是不可以皈依世间神， 不过多杰雄登是一位证悟的护法， 所以修习多杰雄登法门并不会让人坠入三恶趣。 300 多年来修习多杰雄登法门的喇嘛无数， 不过他们还是继续转世， 利益众生。 这就无疑是证明了藏人行政中央所说的修习多杰雄登会让我们坠入三恶趣是完全不正确的。很多上师， 包括达赖喇嘛的启蒙老师赤江仁波切也是多杰雄登法门修持者， 而且他的转世也已经回来。 还有仁波切在视频也提到很多上师， 他们还是继续转世回来， 所以藏人行政中央的说法是完全不成立。
再说， 一些达赖喇嘛的上师也是多杰雄登修持者。 如果达赖喇嘛也向这些上师学习， 是不是达赖喇嘛所学的也是错误的呢？ 那么我们也不需要跟随达赖喇嘛了。
这些都一一反驳了藏人行政中央的说法。
所以我的立场还是一样， 多杰雄登是证悟的护法， 修习多杰雄登法门只会给我们利益， 不会有任何坏处。
谢谢
I join my Guru, Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, in appealing to H.H. Dalai Lama to lift the ban on Dorje Shugden practice. The ban has not done anything good but to divide the Tibetan community throughout the world. The reason that was given to Tibetans to stop practicing Dorje Shugden is that it is a spirit and they will be reborn in the three lower realms, which is clearly explained by Tsem Rinpoche above, is not true.
Many evidences showed by Rinpoche of great masters of the Gelug lineage has returned to continue to turn the wheel of Dharma. The likes of Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Ling Rinpoche, Panchen Lama etc who are great practitioners of Dorje Shugden is back into this world to continue to spread the Buddha’s teachings. If the claim of Dorje Shugden practitioners will be reborn in the 3 lower realms is true, then we will not see these masters now. Furthermore recognised by the Dalai Lsma himself. This is in contradiction to the claims.
This leads me to believe that the ban was enforced to gain political and economical mileage in the CTA but in the expense of spirituality and the freedom of it’s people. I may not understand the ultimate view but the on the conventional view, there is no logic to the ban. All evidences shows that the ban has created more harm than good. May the ban be lifted and peace be installed again.
Thank you Rinpoche and the team for the video and the post. I really enjoy the live streaming from Rinpoche’s FB page very much, and the post after the streaming is also very informative and complete with a lot of materials. I learned a lot from it and I appreciate the teachings very much.?
It rely defies logic that the Leaderships of Tibetan In Exile could make such baseless claims that Dorje Shugden practitioners would go to the three lower realms. This powerful teaching clearly explains the causes for being a spirit.
This is clearly not the case for Dorje Shugden who is practiced by many high lamas who surely would not be cheated by a spirit. So many high lamas have practiced Dorje Shugden and have reincarnated and are recognised also by the Dalai Lama such as cited by Rinpoche. Thank you again Rinpoche for such a powerful and profound sharing. Looking forward for more interesting live streaming from Rinpoche soon.???
Very interesting, logical facts. What Rinpoche presented shows that, first, Dorje Shugden practice is not a minor practice. How can it be a minor practice when some of the highest, most eminent lamas across different schools practiced it? How was the lineage holders, whom many of us have received teachings, instructions and practices from, not been able to see who Dorje Shugden is? If Dorje Shugden is spirt worshipping, then these lamas would all have broken their vows, collected heavy negative karma, and even more so by having their students/disciples practice Dorje Shugden. Nobody since 400 years ago, would have shown attainments, but yet, over the past 400 years, we have learn, seen, read about the many miracles performed by lamas/monks/disciples; whom also practiced Dorje Shugden.
The Central Tibetan Administration is a political, governmental body, and should not interfere with religious affairs. Why would they not focus on doing their works for the betterment of lives, which the Tibetan populace greatly needs? For the amount of resources they had spent in demonising Dorje Shugden, Ds lamas and practitioners, they could have instead used it for purposes of education, health, growth, umaylam, etc – these are the very reasons why the kind donors gave them money to do so, not to use the donations to split their people and create disharmony.
What Rinpoche presented here makes sSO MUCH SENSE!. How come all the high lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden have incarnated back? AND MOST IRONIC, how come, HHDL and the Tibetan Administration, recognises these lamas when they (according to them) should have gone to the 3 lower realms for spirit worship? They should actually be praying for, showing compassion to these lamas, and not recognising them, if we think about the logic and arguments they used to validate the Dorje Shugden ban. It makes their views, opinions, and what the reasons they use against DS very illogical, and contradictory.
There has been so much evidence produced in this blog to show that Dorje Shugden is not a spirit worship, nor a minor one, nor does his practice harm the Tibetan cause. HHDL, please lift the ban on Dorje Shugden, because there should be no reason to ban this.
There are so many erudite masters practice Dorje Shugden, so how can Dorje Shugden practice can bring us to the 3 lower realms? It is not logic at all. If the practice is bad then why the masters keep reincarnate back as great Lamas?
Dear H.H. Dalai Lama, with folded palms, kindly lift the ban soon.
When I first came across the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) website, I was so turn off by the section where they actually said that if you practice Dorje Shugden, you are not allowed to go of H.H. The Dalai Lama’s teachings. Seriously? I thought H H The Dalai Lama is like the most compassionate man on this earth? I do not deserve H H The Dalai Lama’s blessings? Many questions came to my mind. I thought H.H. The Dalai Lama advocate religious differences and tolerance to achieve world peace. Recently, H.H. spoke about the injustice towards the Rohinya people in Myanmar. Why doesn’t HH and CTA look at their own discrimination at their own backyard??
Tsem Rinpoche’s video was very good. It shows so many level of logical answers to why people who practice Dorje Shugden does not all go to the 3 lower realms. In fact as I am a practioner of Dorje Shugden, I am taught that I am also subjected to the law of Karma… with every action , there are consequences. I have seen and been with many Dorje Shugden Lama who has tirelessly work for others and one of them is my Guru Tsem Rinpoche…. I don’t think my Guru is going to the 3 lower realms because his action of saving / benefitting others 24/7 everyday is against the law of karma. So u save and benefit others all the time = you be reborn as a spirit / animal ? Doesn’t make sense.
I do hope many will read and watch this… in today’s world, logic explanation is important cause we deserve the truth.
Thank you for the teaching Rinpoche. It is very clear that Dorje Shugden cannot be a spirit. In this teaching the accusation by the CTA has no stand at all. If one listen to the facts put forward by Rinpoche, one would not have any doubts that the claim is invalid. It is not true that practicing Dorje Shugden takes one to the three lower realms. This has been proven by all the High masters who practice Dorje Shugden and their rebirth and recognition. It is illogical. The CTA will make themselves look very stupid if they continue to sing the same line to put Dorje Shugden down. If they are looking for a scapegoat for covering up the fact that they have not been able to return to their homeland, they better come up with a better excuse.
Thank you His Eminance for sharing in live streaming video erudite Buddhist masters that practice Dorje Shugden that falsely claimed and accused by Tibetan Government in Exile.
If as claimed by Tibetan Government, why are these erudite Buddhist masters kept incarnate back and teach Buddhism?
If practice Dorje Shugden can rebirth in 3 lower realms, WHY are these erudite Buddhist masters recognize by Setrap Garden Monestery as the previous incarnation?
If practice Dorje Shugden can harm His Holiness the Dalai Lama, WHY His Holiness composed prayers to Dorje Shugden?
If practice Dorje Shugden is wrong, why Dorje Shugden been enthroned by previous incarnation of Dalai Lama?
These erudite Buddhist masters practice Dorje Shugden and is harmful to His Holiness Dalai Lama, why His Holiness Dalai Lama been thought His Guru Trijang Rinpoche?
If Dorje Shugden is a super evil spirit, why didn’t conduct the most well known and powerful fire puja on Dorje Shugden?
Tibetan Government in Exile and Tibetans that biase, if you are reading this comment, please explain to my further understanding with compassionate heart of His Holiness Dalai Lama students.
Thank you.
Humbly,
Victor
This powerful teaching clearly explains the causes for being a spirit. This is clearly not the case for Dorje Shugden who is practiced by many high lamas who surely would not be cheated by a spirit.
So many high lamas have practiced Dorje Shugden and have reincarnated and are recognised also by the Dalai Lama such as cited by H.E. Tsem Rinpoche. So it makes no sense to say they go to the three lower realms and it contradictes itself. So many high lamas have been reincarnated and recognised and some have been cited here in the teaching. I really rejoice for H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche’s clear explanations on the illogical ban so that everyone understands what is going on.
I hope that these teachings get seen by many people so that everyone understands what is happening to the Dorje Shugden practitioners and lamas worldwide. I hope that all Tibetans unite very soon and that HH the Dalai Lama ends this painful conflict very soon.
We should all live with the freedom to practice any religion we want.
May this happen very soon.
Thank you Rinpoche.
Thanks Rinpoche and the team for the video and the post. I really enjoy the live streaming from Rinpoche’s FB page very much, and the post after the streaming is also very informative and complete with a lot of materials.
This point really hits the CTA hard enough for their illogical stand to hold the ban on Dorje Shugden, that they literally contradict themselves. It really doesn’t make sense if we say Dorje Shugden is a spirit and practicing it will go to the three lower realm, especially when the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Government are recognizing the reincarnations of Lama who practice Dorje Shugden in past life.
Well, 21 years is long enough to be that ignorance. The ban must be removed as people are not stupid. I still don’t see any benefit from the ban for the Tibetan society.
Dalai Lama, please remove this illogical ban on Dorje Shugden. ??
Thank you Rinpoche for the live streaming on Facebook yesterday. I learned a lot from it and I appreciate the teachings very much!
It is OBVIOUS that what the Central Tibetan Administration(CTA, previously known as Tibetan Government In Exile) said and did are in total contradictory. ? On one hand CTA says practicing Dorje Shugden will go to the 3 lower realms, on the other hand the CTA recognizes and enthrones Lamas that practiced and promoted Dorje Shugden heavily, especially Lamas like Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and many more Lamas mentioned above!
If the CTA is telling the truth about how Dorje Shugden practice will lead people to the 3 lower realms, why CTA themselves recognize the new incarnation of the Lamas that did/promoted Dorje Shugden practice? By CTA doing so, they are saying practicing Dorje Shugden will not lead to the 3 lower realms but to the full control of taking perfect rebirth as a high lama that will benefit sentient beings with Buddha’s teachings, just like how CTA recognized Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and many more Dorje Shugden Lamas.
SO MY QUESTION IS, CTA, WHICH ONE IS IT?
(A) YES, practicing Dorje Shugden will go to the 3 lower realms.
>>> But why the CTA and His Holiness the Dalai Lama still recognize Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and other Dorje Shugden Lamas when they already gone down to the 3 lower realms, according to what the CTA says?
SO IT MUST BE:
(B) No, practicing Dorje Shugden WILL NOT go to the 3 lower realms.
>>> Because Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and other Dorje Shugden Lamas are back in such perfect form to continue to turn the wheel of Dharma and the CTA and His Holiness the Dalai Lama recognize all these Lamas’ incarnations. It is a big deal when the Dalai Lama recognizes a Lama if you understand the tradition of Tibetan Buddhism.
From what we can see, the contradictory in CTA’s words is the end result of tons of lies about Dorje Shugden and Dorje Shugden practice. And CTA’s claim that practicing Dorje Shugden will lead to the 3 lower realms is for the sake of convenient to deceive and intimidate those who don’t really understand the teachings of Buddhas. CTA is conveniently using Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to garner more support from the West by saying Dorje Shugden is a Chinese spirit and thus it is harming the Dalai Lama and Tibet cause. How ridiculous! And this definitely shows that CTA is theocracy, not democracy because a democracy government will not speak and act like this.
As a Dorje Shugden practitioner, I hope that the CTA will stop such discrimination immediately because there are many in suffering because of the ban on Dorje Shugden and the discrimination/segregation that comes along. Please lift the ban and give real religious freedom already.
The CTA’s recognition of various Dorje Shugden practitioners is directly contradicting their ‘advice’ to abandon Dorje Shugden practice and practitioners.
This contradiction is so obvious yet it is still alive where many continue to believe because the CTA has been successfully camouflage it with various tricks such as the poor refugee status, suppression, HHDL’s long life threat etc.
The CTA is obnoxious for being contradictory, corrupted and backward. Although Lobsang Sangay has a PhD from Harvard, he is against religious freedom, human rights and democracy. He governs the Tibetans with dictatorship and controls Tibetans instead of educating them and provides opportunities for them to grow.
The hypocrisy and forever distracting the public from the real issues cannot be tolerated. The fact that they recognize the reincarnations of various Dorje Shugden people is an obvious truth that the practise do not bring you to lower realms.
The CTA has to stop making this an issue and address the real and much bigger problem which is their failure in managing the small population of Tibetans in exile and loosing their country that are fundamentally caused by greed, selfishness and laziness.
Clearly the Dalai Lama brought incredible ridicule upon himself by making this suggestion and then defending it numerous times.
Such a proposition is so absurd that one does not need to have any great Dharma knowledge to defeat it. One simply needs to have a basic power of observation because the Dalai Lama himself provided multiple evidence that his statement was wrong. After all the Dalai Lama recognised the reincarnation of one of the ‘biggest’ Shugden lamas of our time, Trijang Dorjechang. Shouldn’t Trijang Dorjechang be in the lower realms if the Dalai Lama was right about Dorje Shugden?
The question is, why would the Dalai Lama expose himself to such a blatant error?
In doing so, the Dalai Lama is telling that world that either he has zero clairvoyance, in which case, we are not to listen blindly to his proclamations. Or alternatively, that he is so dishonest that he can even corrupt the most basic principles of karma.
We can also take the view that the Dalai Lama made it so absurd that no one would believe it unless one was prepared to abandon all dharmic logic to be on the good side of the Dalai Lama.
When we think about it properly, it is those who broke their vows to their Gurus and Protector who have to be worried about going to the lower realms especially if they think badly of their Guru.
It rely defies logic that the Leaderships of Tibetan In Exile could make such baseless claims that Dorje Shugden practitioners would go to the three lower realms. After all, high Lamas such as Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and the many more which includes the 11th Panchen Lama came back clearly in optimum rebirths…into the Dharma. What more many were recognised by the 14th Dalai Lama himself. These proves how illogical the claims are and those who believed the lies do so out of ignorance or convenience. Irregardless the reason, if one believe the false accusations of the Tibetan Leaderships then they are supporting discrimination and sufferings of the people who just wished to practice in peace as so many laws had been set up against Shugden practioners. Laws that are against human rights in these day and age as it clearly discriminate and segregate the Shugden practitioners, allowing abuse and bullying without impunity. Certainly not good governance when these very Leaders claim against China what they themselves are guilty of.
Thank you Rinpoche for your clear and logical explanations that definitely debunk those false claims of the Tibetan Leaderships. May the truth bring light and give courage to the many Dorje Shugden practitioners who had suffered for so long. May the Tibetan Leaderships realise the foolishness of blaming their problems on a deity and see fit to lift the ban on authentic Dorje Shugden practice to unite their people. Dorje Shugden had benefitted so many and may many more receive his help freely without the ban. May Dalai Lama’s compassion manifest to lift the ban to bring peace to his people.
Very insightful and powerful video by His Eminence. The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) over the decades have made quite a huge number of untruthful statements in regards to Dorje Shugden, misleading people to believe that he is a spirit, he is the reason why Tibet loss their country and it is absolutely not the CTA’s fault why they loss their own country.
The Dorje Shugden practice on its own was never an issue until the Tibetan leadership decided to make it into an issue. In Tibet itself, there are quite a few religions/ practices that co-exist within the society. For example, Buddhism, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Bon and etc. All the respective followers of each sect/ religion/ practice have the freedom to whichever religion they believe in, there’s no problem at all.
The only ‘problem’ now is that Dorje Shugden is being used as a scapegoat for the CTA’s failure, so they can justify the fact why after six decades, they still cannot get their country back. They like to blame China for taking over Tibet but if you really think about it, it’s illogical. How can you blame someone for being more capable and powerful than you are? They are powerful because they work for it. Instead of blaming China for the past six decades, the Tibetan leadership should instead initiate something, expand, contribute and prove themselves fit to run Tibet. But unfortunately, that has not been realised.
One of the things that the CTA like to do is blame their failure on something else so they do not have to hold any responsibility, this is a common trend within the Tibetan society. Remember, Dorje Shugden practice was never an issue until the CTA made it into one.
The CTA lie to the public and they have been telling people that Dorje Shugden followers/ worshippers will go to the three lower realms for worshipping a demon. That is absolutely a nonsensical lie! What about H.H Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche? H.H.Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche, H.H.Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, Kyabje Denma Gonsa Rinpoche and many others high lamas? They all practised Dorje Shugden in their previous lives, and all of their undisputed incarnations have been found and confirmed by His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama together with the Dorje Shugden oracle. So why didn’t they go to the three lower realms? Don’t you think that the CTA are lying? Who actually knows how much more they are lying and hiding away from the people?
Dear Rinpoche
Thank you for this live streaming session that will clear a lot of doubt about Dorje Shugden practice and the discrimination against Dorje Shugden practitioners by the supposedly “democratic” CTA in this era. It is important for people to know that the basis of the ban against Dorje Shugden practice – the accusations and the claims that Dorje Shugden is a spirit practice is false.
Rinpoche has mentioned one very important point that if Dorje Shugden is indeed a spirit like what the Tibetan leadership in exile are claiming, then, why all the high lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden in the previous lives came back in perfect human forms and being recognized by the Tibetan leadership, the very party who said that practicing Dorje Shugden will bring the practitioners to the lower realm. By recognizing these lamas, the CTA have negated their own claim that Dorje Shugden is a spirit. What an oxymoron!
Valentina
I think the points that Rinpoche brought and asked is very logical and if we truly honestly ask ourselves, we would easily come to the conclusion and the answer, that practising Dorje Shugden certainly DOES NOT bring you to the three lower realms!
If seeing all the attained master incarnate back and some are even being recognised by His Holiness the Dalai Lama still does not clear one’s doubts and mind, then it is just plainly obvious that it is all just a political propaganda to persecute Shugden practitioners for whatever reasons, it definitely NOT acceptable. Definitely not acceptable if CTA claims to be a democratic administration. Definitely not acceptable.
To have pages dedicated toward discriminating another person’s religion, faith and practice is just downright not wrong if you call yourself democratic. That in itself is a breach of human rights which allows people to have freedom of religion without any discrimination. And just so the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) or those who support it does not know what is religious freedom, please read the below:
“Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, regardless of race, sex, nationality, ethnicity, language, religion, or any other status. Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more.”
So my question is has the CTA been doing this to Shugden practitioners? Has the CTA been allowing Shugden practitioners to love freely without any obstacles, hindrances and without any discriminatory issues? If the answer is YES then it would obviously be a BIG lie because then why all those anti-Shugden pages on the CTA’s official website and on His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s website? Does not make any sense. And since the CTA themselves does not respect human rights, then what they always complain about China not giving Tibetans human rights becomes invalid because they are doing the SAME to their own people and that’s just isn’t right.
Second issue and totally nonsensical is why is His Holiness recognising previous practised Shugden Lamas? Whether or not they are practising it this life does not matter, they should be in the three lower realms. How can they return and on top of that be recognised by the very person who said they will go to the lower realms? Again invalid, illogical and clearly is false. So CTA better think of better excuses to persecute your own people, because so far, they all do not make any sense. What you are doing to your people is so wrong. Tibetan should be united and be in harmony just life before, otherwise, no point asking for any autonomy from China.
Here are a few points that should be painfully obvious to all:
1) the number of Dorje Shugden practitioners listed above. The lamas listed above are just a handful of practitioners to rely on Dorje Shugden. There is them, and there are the countless other practitioners over the last 400 years since Dorje Shugden arose as a Dharma Protector. There are thousands upon thousands of undocumented, non-ranking, ordinary practitioners who relied on Dorje Shugden too. who were not listed in Rinpoche’s poster above.
According to the CTA, all of these lamas went to the lower realms. 400 years’ worth of practitioners ended up in the lower realms. What I would like to ask is this – how come all of the previous Dalai Lama’s never did anything to stop it over the last 400 years and instead allowed so many people to end up in the three lower realms? How come the 5th Dalai Lama created a chapel to him, thereby encouraging people to worship him? How come the 11th Dalai Lama enthroned him as a protector? How come the 13th Dalai Lama relied on him for advice and how come the 14th Dalai Lama composed a praise to him?
If what the CTA says is true, and Dorje Shugden people end up in the three lower realms, how come all of the previous Dalai Lama’s not only failed to stop the practice, but in some cases encouraged and promoted it? So the CTA recognizing Dorje Shugden lama reincarnations isn’t the only hypocritical thing; the fact is that is Dorje Shugden practice is really so bad, the previous Dalai Lama’s would not have let it get this far.
The fact Dorje Shugden practice got this far can only mean one of three things: (a) there’s actually nothing wrong with Dorje Shugden and he’s an enlightened being and that’s why they encouraged the practice – OR – (b) the previous Dalai Lama’s had no compassion and that’s why they allowed Dorje Shugden practice to become so prevalent – OR – (c) the previous Dalai Lama’s and all the other high lamas in Tibet had and have no power to stop a so-called spirit.
Which one is it?
2) the calibre of the Dorje Shugden practitioners listed above. These were not ordinary householders or normal beings who relied on Dorje Shugden as a protector. These were learned, studied monks who could choose from a pantheon of protectors, and yet they chose Dorje Shugden and spread it to their students. Is the Tibetan leadership saying they singularly know more about religion and Dorje Shugden practice, than all of these lamas put together?
The fact is that the CTA cannot stop this wave of truths going out into the world. I really am thankful that Rinpoche has started doing these live stream videos because I know they will go a long way to clearing up the misconceptions people have about Dorje Shugden practice. Thank you Rinpoche for these live streaming videos.
Rinpoche’s talk is very clear and concise in highlighting how CTA contradict themselves and how the allegations of Dorje Shugden do not make sense.
1) CTA supports the allegation by HH the Dalai Lama that Dorje Shugden practitioners take rebirth in the 3 lower realms. However, they recognize lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden in their previous life. They contradict themselves openly.
2) Many reincarnate lamas used to practice Dorje Shugden in their previous lives. They continue to reincarnate till this day. Many of them are elite Buddhist masters. They didn’t reincarnate into the 3 lower realms.
Conclusion is that people who practice Dorje Shugden do not automatically go to the 3 lower realms. The allegations are proven WRONG.
It is with great compassion that Tsem Rinpoche publically requested HH the Dalai Lama to announce the lifting of the ban on Dorje Shugden for the sake of thousands of people who are suffering tremendously as a result of this illegal ban. It would be interesting to see how much longer HH the Dalai Lama remains quiet because HH travels the world every year promoting peace, compassion, and religious harmony. IF HH can’t even create peace and religious harmony amongst his own people, then his world tours promoting peace and religious harmony in other countries would inspire no one.
The whole issue about Dorje Shugden practitioners going or not going to the Three Lower Realms is indiciative of what Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche said about His Holiness aparantly having conflict with Dorje Shugden. This is an example of this conflict.
Obviously, from the evidence that Tsem Rinpoche has provided us in the wonderful teaching, it is clear that practicing Dorje Shugden does not lead you to the Three Lower Realms. So many high lamas have reincarnated back, and are even recognised by the very same Tibetan leadership that damned their previous lives to hell for the worship of Dorje Shugden. As Rinpoche said, it doesn’t make sense.
Viewed form a higher level, it is clear that His Holiness has a plan in all of his actions to ensure that the Dharma is preserved and spread. So aparantly espousing something that is contradictory must be a part of this plan. His Holiness is Avalotieshvara after all. We might not be at the level to see it yet, but even Dorje Shugden has said that he is the really and unmistaken Incarnation of the Dalai Lama. In previous lives, such as his 5th incarnation, he performed actions that may have seemed odd or contradictory at the time, such as the unification of Tibet. But in the end it made sense. Perhaps this is the same case with the practice of Dorje Shugden. Once Dorje Shugden’s name is cleared using logic, perhaps everything will be revealed to make sense.
It’s incredible how many great masters of the past and present have practiced and are still practicing Dorje Shugden. But what’s even more incredible is how many of these lamas have reincarnated once again in human form to benefit sentient beings, many of whom are recognized, acknowledged and enthroned by those who claim that Dorje Shugden is a spirit.
Doesn’t the Tibetan leadership have sufficient grounding in Buddhist principles to know that, if they claim that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, and that those who engage in his practice go to the three lower realms, then they should not shoot themselves in the foot by recognizing the reincarnations of Dorje Shugden lamas?
Don’t they see that by recognizing such big names as H.H. Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche, H.H. Panchen Lama, H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche and many others, all they are doing is proving that their claims are false, and that Dorje Shugden is most definitely an enlightened being that we can take refuge in?
The Tibetan leadership must think that the rest of the world are either blind enough to follow their advice mindlessly, or that we are stupid enough not to see through the holes in their logic. Either way, it is clear to me that Dorje Shugden must be enlightened, and therefore it follows that the CTA must be lying about the nature of his practice for some shady ulterior motive. Why else would a “democratic” government put their reputation at risk and put up discriminative propaganda against a group of religious followers? Shame on them.
Dorje Shugden practitioners do not enter into lower realms just because we practice Dorje Shugden. There are tons of Highly attained masters who are the best of the best such as Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Kyabje Zong Rinpoche has reincarnated back into human form and also back into the monastery. This already debunked what CTA said about DS practictioners will enter into the lower realms. This shows how immature CTA is in their logic thinking and how they think they can manipulate the people with statements that has no basis. What Tsem Rinpoche had explained in this video is very direct and easy to understand.
I learnt that it’s karma which determines where or which realm we are going after death. For example, spirits are basically people who has very strong attachment, hatred or desire. Usually these type of people will go to 3 lower realm, of course there are many other causes for us to be reborn in 3 lower realms, such as killing.
Speaking of practising Dorje Shugden and it causes us to be reborn in 3 lower realm never made sense to me. On the basis of Dorje Shugden himself is an enlightened being, by reciting his mantra and doing his pujas, which suppose to heal and protect people, it was twisted to something opposite is purely a joke. As mentioned, there are hundreds of High Lamas or respected teachers who relied on Dorje Shugden have taken rebirth as human to continue to benefit people.
For instance, the 11th Panchen Lama who just had a Kalachakra initiation in Shigatze, over 100,000 attended included over 5000 monks and nuns and 100 incarnated lamas and teachers. If Dorje Shugden practitioners like 11th Panchen Lama is wrong, then all these 100,000 people are wrong too? I personally do not think China will allow a “fake” Lama to hold such a grand religious event, as we know China is very strict in religious affair and has implemented rules and regulations to recognise real tulkus, the government does not allow anyone to spread impure teachings.
Link to Kalachakra initiation by the 11th Panchen Lama:
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/historic-first-kalachakra-initiation-by-the-11th-panchen-lama.html
Thank you Rinpoche for this very powerful, straight to the point and logical explanation of why the DS practitioners will not take rebirth in the three lower realm.
What strikes me are:
1. If DS is a spirit, those lamas who practise DS will never be able to come back in human form. Buddha said before if Buddhists take refuge in spirits, they will take rebirth in the three lower realms.
2. If DS is truly a spirit like what Dalai Lama and CTA are claiming, then why do they still recognise the reincarnation of DS Lamas? For example, Zong Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, Domo Geshe Rinpoche. So is CTA lying when they say DS is a spirit? Why does CTA do that?
3. Are the Tulkus who in their previous lives practised DS recognised by Dalai Lama real? If they are real then the claim they made about DS being a spirit will not stand anymore.
4. By saying DS is a spirit it will makes the teachings of the lamas invalid. So many Gelug great masters are or were strong DS practitioners so their teachings are wrong?
All the points raised by Rinpoche are absolutely logical, it is hard to refute.
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དེ་རིང་དྲ་ཡིག་དང་བརྙེན་འཕྲིན་འདི་ནང་༧སྐྱབས་རྗེ་ཚེམས་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་མཆོག་གིས་བདེན་པ་རྭ་སྤྲོད་ཁུངས་ལུང་རིག་གསུམ་དང་མཐུན་པ་ཧ་ལས་པ་མཛད་འཕྲིན་རྒྱས་པ་གནང་ཡོད་པས་བརྙེན་འཕྲིན་དང་དྲྭ་ཡིག་འདི་ཉིད་ཚང་མའི་ཚར་གཅིག་སློག་དགོས་པ་དང་གཟིགས་དགོས་པ་གལ་ཆེན་པོ་མཐོང་། ནང་པའི་བསྟན་པ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་དེ་ཉིད་ཉམས་མེད་འཛིན་པར་ང་ཚོ་ཚང་མའི་ནང་ཚོས་ལ་ཤིན་ཏུ་དད་པ་དང་སོ་སོའི་བླ་མའི་བཀའ་སྲུང་སྤྱི་སྒྲབ་བྱེད་དགོས་པ་དང་། སོ་སོའི་ཆོས་ལུགས་དང་ལྷ་བླ་མ་ལ་གུས་ཞབས་དང་ལྡན་པའི་སྒོ་ནས་སོ་སོའི་ཉམས་ལེན་བྱེད་དགོས་པ་ཚང་མའི་འགན་འཁུར་དགོས། དེར་གཅིག་གི་གཅིག་ལ་ཁྱེད་ཀྱི་ཆོས་འདུ་མི་སྒྲིག་པ་རེད། ཁྱེད་ཀྱི་ལྷ་འདི་བསྟེན་པ་ནོར་བ་རེད་ཞེས་བརྗོད་དུ་མི་རུང་། སོ་སོའི་ཉམས་ལེན་གང་གནང་ཡང་སོ་སོའི་ཐོབ་ཐང་རེད། ༧སྐྱབས་མགོན་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་མཆོག་གིས་རྡོ་རྗེ་ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་གསོལ་བྱེད་པ་དེ་ནོར་བ་རེད་ཞེས་གསུངས། དེར་ཚེ་ཕྱི་མར་ངན་སོང་དུ་ལྷུང་ཡང་གསུངས། བསྟེན་གསོལ་འདིའི་ཚེ་ཕྱི་མར་ངན་སོང་དུ་མི་ལྷུང་བའི་རྒྱུ་མཚན་རབ་དང་རིམ་པ་༧སྐྱབས་རྗེ་ཚེམས་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་མཆོག་གིས་གསུང་བཤད་རྒྱས་ཤིང་རྒྱས་པ་གནང་འདུག ། འདི་ཡིན་ཙང་ཚང་མའི་ཚར་གཙིག་བརྙེན་འཕྲིན་འདི་གཟིགས་རོགས་ན་ཞེས་ཞུ་རྒྱུ་ཡིན།།
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