(By Tsem Rinpoche)

The Consciousness Revolution Show is a 60-minute live show interview held every Wednesday. Hosted by Harun Rabbani (author and broadcaster), his online-broadcasted interviews are focused around the field of science and consciousness.

He has had many famous guest stars on his show, and one of them was Ms. Lindsay Wagner… aka. Bionic Woman! In the 70’s, Lindsay Wagner became a household name in America when she starred in the television series, The Bionic Woman. She won an Emmy award for her portrayal of Jaime Sommers in the show that aired for 3 popular seasons. It became the 5th most watched show in America in 1975.

Off screen, Ms. Lindsay Wagner involves herself in humanitarian work and shares her knowledge and experiences that comes from her personal life. She currently holds seminars and workshops for her self-help therapy called “Quiet the Mind and Open the Heart”. Although she is a star of a hit television series, she is also a survivor of domestic violence as a child…

I’ve always loved Lindsay Wagner and loved the Bionic Woman show so much. She always played a wholesome, kind, considerate, open and genuine person. And you know what??? I am pleasantly surprised that she is what she plays… it’s art imitates life. She is full of wisdom also. I came across this really interesting interview and it is really wonderful. Please listen all the way through. It has alot of wisdom spoken clearly and very applicable. Some parts I listened over a few times. Her workshops must be very deep and helpful to many. I REALLY LIKE WHAT SHE SAYS ON HER INTERVIEWS here. Very deep person, and I admire her even more now after listening to her. I hope one day to meet her and offer her a Tara statue. The perfect Yidam for her.

What is her take on how to release anger? What is her take on how to do something that is good for you, but at the same time find it difficult to do so? I am serious, listen to this audio of her speaking… it is really good. She tackles difficult self issues we all have and it will help to listen to her thoughts.

Tsem Rinpoche

Or view the video on the server at:
https://video.tsemtulku.com/videos/The-Consciousness-Revolution-Show-with-Lindsay-Wagner.mp4

Transcript of this audio:

The The Consciousness Revolution Show with Lindsay Wagner

Harun: Welcome to the consciousness revolution show with myself Harun Rabbani. Well, what can I say, we have so many amazing guests over this summer and over the last few months, and we have more to come. Now, I’m gonna share with you guys this thing, years ago, many years ago when I was a child I used to watch this particular television show which I was totally glued to on Saturday and I’m actually referring to something called Six Million Dollar Man. Now as a child he was certainly one of my big heroes, but then he was joined by the bionic woman who have again, become a heroine for me and in fact a number of years ago, two years ago when I was interviewed on the BBC radio show called the Superhero Show I was actually mentioning the Bionic Woman. I said to myself, you know what Harun, one day, I actually said it live on the show as well, I’m going to do an interview with Lindsay Wagner and can you believe it that only a few weeks ago an email was sent around by a friend of mine saying, “And oh by the way Harun, would you like to interview Wagner?” So we got her on the show right now.

 So before we start the show I want you to do this guys, I want you to pick up a pen, make notes, make loads and loads of notes, and also if you got questions to ask and put to our guest Lindsay Wagner, I’d like you to type the question into the left hand side of the screen, the bottom left hand side of the screen, type in your question, ping it across to me, and I’ll then pass it to Lindsay. We’re also joined by Konstantin Pavlidis who is a researcher, scientific researcher. He is a movement artist and he is a spiritual teacher. So he will be joining us shortly as well. Lindsay, welcome to the show.

Lindsay: thank you.

Harun: Lindsay, most of us at least from a certain generation remember you for bionic woman, and then you made a number of television series, which were very, very successful. Let’s start off with Bionic Woman because a lot of actresses and actors, they kind of like don’t want to talk about the past but you’re kind of like, I get the impression they were pretty important moments for you, I mean what was Bionic Woman like, making that particular movie or television series, should I say.

Lindsay: Yeah, well, I’m not sure if we have enough time to fully address your question but,

Harun: But even in part will be fine.

Lindsay: I’m teasing you, I’m teasing you. That was quite, when we made that, it was an enormous experience back then on many levels, that it was so many things all at once for me because it happened very early on in my career, and so, it was the show in fact where all anonymity was lost. Which was a huge life changing experience. A massive confrontation on so many levels. It isn’t just what people think about “Oh, having people love you”, it’s a total invasion of privacy when you only have a life experience of not having that kind of attention or not having that kind of stimuli, that people see you in certain ways and having expectations of you before they even meet you and it was an amazing journey on an internal level. There’s of course, all the adoration and that brings up certain learning experiences for you as far as how you see yourself, you see yourself as you continue to see yourself as just one of the members of the human race or do you see yourself different, do you buy your own press? It’s just the journey was extraordinary, as well as having a huge learning curve, as a performer.

 And learning stamina, doing a series today is not as tough as back then in the 70s, the technology was nowhere where it is today as well as we didn’t have two different units if you have action in your show today, they got a second unit which they will do all the stunt work and then you have the first unit which goes about business like everything else. In those days we had to do everything together, with one crew. So, that impacted our working hours where our average working day was sixteen hours, it was nothing for us to do an eighteen hour day and so just physical stamina, what you need to do to take care of yourself as well as it was physically demanding, a lot of running, as you can imagine. All those kinds of things came up at once. We had a lot of fun, we have a good group of people and yet the learning curve was just extraordinary and just one on top of another.

Harun: So, what happened after the television series because to many of our audiences’ disappointment and my disappointment as well you kind have like disappeared from that television series then? What did you do after that?

Lindsay: Well, I am not sure that all of the films I did after that came to UK, I think a lot of them did in other countries, but I did forty 2 hour television movies, most of them issue oriented movies and a vast majority of them were true stories, because I love doing true stories and the pieces I would pick to do and some which are actually developed were stories about people. What I was looking for was stories about people who transcended their circumstance more than just survived it.

You know it’s encouraging to see when people survive difficult circumstances because when you watch a show of any kind you’re identifying some part of that story, right, and kind of vicariously experiencing it, so for me it was important to find stories about women, family, whatever it was who actually went through the circumstance but found themselves on a higher plane afterwards rather than just survived it, and I’m going to go back to my same old life, which is to me a lot of what drama is about, it’s just kind of looking at that stuff and not really getting anywhere but I’m still here so I’m happy about that, you know. It was not enough to entice me to do film so I did a lot of that and some of it came here to the UK but I was extremely busy during that time and also did various mini series.

Harun: When you mentioned about various drama that people go through in life, actually one of your, you actually pretty much have gone through in life some domestic violence and during your childhood. Are you able to share some of that, perhaps with our listeners?

Lindsay: You mean about the show? I did a movie on domestic violence. Is that what you are talking about?

Harun: I mean your personal experience?

Lindsay: Well, I, my family did start over that and when I went about the business of learning how to heal myself from the wounds that went on that I ended up with as a result of that kind of, which many of us have, many of us grew up with that, which is far more common than we like to think or talk about in our society but my interest was in human potential. I have always believed that we are extraordinary beings and I had some early experiences in my life which I can share with you as well but to continue to tie it into domestic violence which doesn’t really matter so much, what went on in the family to me was important, because we all have our have our flavor of it, those of us who experienced it whether it be physical or even psychological where every bit of it was damaging and some of us experience that even if it’s just physical but the recognizing and learning that we programming ourselves or, that sounds kind of cold, healing, you can put it as healing as well, healing the wounds and healing the undesired behaviors by us and the perspectives that we ended up with as a result of that. That stuff can be healed and I came to that understanding and realization very young when I was nineteen.

By the time I was nineteen and twenty, I was having some really serious ulcer attack, they didn’t know a lot about ulcers back then and one of the traditional ways of dealing with it was if you have ulcers of a certain stage it was surgery and by the time I was twenty I was scheduled to have surgery in by this doctor at UCLA and my boyfriend at that time, his mother was a personal secretary to a man who was the cofounder of a church called today called Science of Mind or the Center for Spiritual living and was Christian based but was very holistic in nature. They were so far ahead of her when it comes to understanding mind, body and spirit interconnection and integration and she very close with Doctor Hornaday and she got Dr Hornaday and MD who was also a practitioner from that church to me and they offered to help me, see if I can avoid the surgery, to see if I would be interested in learning what they call spiritual mind treatments and work on healing oneself though what they use meditation and visualization and self investigation and with the doctor he put me on a severe fast and obviously I agreed to do it because I have great faith in her and there was an MD monitoring of course the whole time, but he was also a practitioner of this.

So between him, Dr Fedrick and Dr Bill put me through this process and within six weeks the ulcers were all but gone and I do not have to have the surgery, so one of the things they had me do in addition to the fasting and the prayer and the meditation, was to write an autobiography because I was saying, I don’t understand how this condition can be related to stress. I don’t find myself having this pains with me, you know this little attacks when anything’s wrong and with my tumultuous upbringing I had stomach problems from the time when I was fourteen so obviously it was the beginning of all that and so I said I don’t understand how it can be related because I always get this demonstration of the illness when nothing’s going on, when everything is fine. And so that’s when Dr Fedrick said “Let’s have you write an autobiography and although you’re only twenty eight I want you to write everything that you can remember from the time you were born, and just write about it.” And I said how much? And he said “It doesn’t matter, just write about it, just have this big thought process about writing down your life and then we’ll talk about it afterwards.”

 And while I was on this fast of having nothing but skimmed milk and water for 6 weeks, I was writing about my life, and then when I got that done, he said “I want you to write another in any fashion, everything you remember getting sick and if you can get help from your family and the people you grew up with and they were my aunt and grandmother from time to time and so we write that down and then we started connecting it to the autobiography so I can see when and where I got sick and what I saw was this very distinct pattern that I had a personality that can come in and just take care of things, and handle things when there is a crisis. I didn’t shut down. Some people shut down in a crisis. We all have. Some people blow up in a crisis. For me I had the ability to just kind of tune out, shut off my feelings of what was going on and go take care of whatever that needed to be take care of.

When there was violence I grab my sister and ran to the bedroom and shut the door, whatever was necessary and then when it was over, whatever was going on whether it’s that or any kind of stress, I would and I could remember this when I was writing and when I was thinking about it I would not, the feelings would start to come up because it is not that we don’t have feelings, people who have the ability to put on an overdrive, if you will, in the course of a crisis, but feelings will want to come up, you will definitely have them but you have this good way of shutting them off for a short while, then when they start to come up in my family it wasn’t so easy to just talk about it and then cry and then have your sister, it was kind of just like “she’s over it, now stop, there is nothing wrong. It’s like everything’s fine now.” And again, stuff, stuff, stuff.

My emotions were continuously being stuffed and the bottom line is they were continuously eating the way out on my stomach. So I could see that when they showed me when they put these two things together, I saw this ark, so that began a journey, well first of all, it just completely blew my mind open and opened my eyes to how amazing we human beings are, that we have the ability to heal, actually the body has the ability to heal by itself when we aren’t in the way, when our mind doesn’t go in certain thinking patterns, therein creating more difficulty around what happened so we can’t heal after so during the meditations and the visual mind treatment of seeing my stomach be healthy and allowing the life force and God, they were a Christian church so we used Christian language and called upon God in a way that we were that they saw it that is the life, that is the life force, that is what creates all of the things in manifestation.

And so with my mind being freed up and looking off at judgment at how I judge myself, how I judged my mother, how I judged my stepfather and looking at those and listening the grasp of all of that and just allowing healing to come here and now and recognize that here and now there is nothing wrong, here and now. But those memories and those old wounds that’s carried in those pockets need to be released. That’s actually what is creating the problem here, today, is the history, not the present moment. So, it was a big question, what was that like…

Harun: Absolutely, that was a beautiful story and what I am trying to help my listeners understand and myself I guess is what made you, what helped you transition, what made you decide to go down the route of healing and energy psychology and healing…

Lindsay: That experience. That experience was the beginning of it, I happened to be in a relationship with this young man whose mother was a Science of Mind practitioner. So she was also his secretary and that experience of meeting those people and having a personal experience of healing, in a very unconventional way, for our culture was what opened my eyes and that began a life of study and there are so many things that we do not learn in mainstream here and I want to know about it I mean my appetite was stimulated by that, maybe I had a natural propensity for it in the beginning but because I was a very spiritual kid even when my family wasn’t. I was the one saying “Lets go to the church today” and they were like “nah!” I don’t know where that came from. I was just born that way but…

Harun: So, what’s your view on pharmaceutical medicine and the current western medicine practice in comparison to your particular experience? What are your views?

Lindsay: Well, I think that it is important to take a look at the mindset to see how it is used, how it is seen and held culturally, more so than I feel about any particular practice. There is a lot of practices that are unnecessary. I feel that they are invasive practices. And I feel that the view of having that be the dominant and in some — many people’s minds, the only way to go is the problem. To me the word “holistic” means you look into anything and everything that could be the most appropriate approach for something. If I am in an accident I am not going to go to a homeopath if my arm got severed from my body. Definitely a place for surgery and depending on case after case.

If you look at (things coming round my head) wonderful early, early research and work with a lot of people on healing cancers through visualization and psychotherapy and doctor Karl Simmons, he’s got so many cases of people being able to work with some of the techniques I use in healing their cancer and yet, it is not to say that I believe that there is no place for surgery or drugs in that process, but to think that that is what is going to heal us because to me we are not healed because, we may have a symptom temporarily taken care of by conventional therapies, drugs or surgeries but it doesn’t mean that we have a healing of the source or the cause of that imbalance of our whole being which that is a manifestation of in the first place therefore most of the time we are going to re-manifest the same thing or develop something else because we did not have a shift in our energy field, in our thinking, in our self view or the view of the world and life.

Harun: I’m going to bring in Konstantin. Konstantin is a research scientist. He is a movement artist and a spiritual teacher. Konstantin, what is healing according to you?

Konstantin: Well Harun, I inherited a healing tradition from my mother’s lineage, just from the south of Russia in Georgia, and I remember the very first thing she always spoke about is that there is no disease within that cannot be tuned in to and balanced and the whole concept of being ill has to do basically with not being in tune with some part of yourself. So there is an area of our existence which by large we are not aware of as a result of how thoughts, emotions, physical body and our intuition. We have a strong awareness and focus of something we call the observer and when these are not aligned and not communicating with each other, they all have a very specific effect and the lack of communication and awareness of each of this faculties, that is a state of imbalance leading to a disorder, and that is where either pathogens from outside of the body or from within the body can begin to sow a seed and throw things out of balance.

Obviously there are many other factors today which didn’t exist in the past, additives to foods, electromagnetic frequencies from many sources including computers etc, all of which create an overall state of disruption and disharmony to our system and this creates a state of panic and this also can put the entire system into disease. So healing has, for me much more to do with understanding the source of balance and try to re-harmonize ourselves than looking for something that has happened from outside of ourselves and basically saying that is the cause whether it’s just a pathogen, bacteria, or virus, whatever it is external, radiation from a particular source, etc. So I would agree a lot with what Lindsay was saying with being in tune with your thoughts, with your emotions and of course with the physical body and overall sense of awareness and as a result of this awareness, being far more in tune with how to have a handle on what your overall situation really is about.

Harun: Now, so Lindsay, we got so many questions flooding in and I’ve got so many questions I want to ask myself as well, and I want to start bringing the list of those questions in a very short moment. I just got a couple more questions. Lindsay, you talk about techniques etc, what is it the practice that you do? Is it in psychology? Is it a specific type of healing?

Lindsay: You mean personally or in my workshop?

Harun: Yeah, yourself. I mean, where did you learn your particular practices?

Lindsay: So it’s very eclectic what I do on a daily basis. I have studied many different things that they consider holistic or pharmaceutical from many different sources in the US and I have done some studying with the Tibetan Buddhist Nygima sect. I studied with a Native American shaman, doing soul retrieval a lot and I studied the energy psychology in which the EFT I think it is one of the, extraordinary, very contemporary, I’m sure in history there are versions of that and I know out of Korea they do a lot of not the tapping of the meridian points, but they do a lot of manipulating of their fingers which is what these tapping process are, that I teach because they are easy for people to learn in a couple of 2-3 days in workshops that I do, but I use that a lot myself too as well as the various forms of meditation and it is very eclectic what I do on a daily basis and what I do I pull out of my bag of eclectic studies wherever I feel like what I need to use today.

But of course sound meditation is sound meditation I do the calling or tuning in to the oneness into the frequency of oneness that through Anand Bhagawan in India and outside of Chennai there is a place called the Oneness University and it’s not what one would typically think of as a university but in essence the techniques that is passed on there is tuning into a particular frequency that brings about oneness in according to their definition and the simplest definition is, or the way I would describe it is being able to experience one’s connectedness to the whole creation which we are on a particular level, to be able to experience that simultaneous, to perceiving an unique and all the unique manifestations in this creation, in this dimension,  because usually we’re kind of in one state or the other if we are good in meditation or with certain types of spiritual practices we kind of lose touch with the physical dimension and or when we are out and about we find ourselves getting mesmerized by the physical plane and not experiencing when the mind gets overly active and we lose a sense of being connected to it therefore we feel separate when we feel separate we don’t feel safe, we don’t feel all sorts of compassion that we can feel connected to something or someone who is having a hard time I think we feel totally separate from them. We are more afraid of them then we are compassionate.

And so, bringing about a balance, a re-balancing where we continue to feel, experience our connectedness with the world and within ourselves while still perceiving the uniqueness of the individuations, that’s the oneness. It’s actually what I am going to be focusing on the night in London in doing what in the west they call the Oneness Blessing, I call it the Oneness Meditation because I don’t do the physical portion of it anymore, we do it by intention and we do it by meditating together and it is very powerful and it is kind of hard to describe because it is experiential.

Harun: Absolutely. Now I’m gonna find out about this workshop in a moment. Konstantin, now this spiritual teacher, what is the role of oneness, what does oneness mean and from your perspective of the teacher?

Konstantin: A sense of interconnectivity within oneself, with the external environment and extending that to as far as your conscious mind enables you to. We are told through scientific media that the universe is vast, and it is light years in its expansiveness and in some cases it is so vast that it is impossible to describe how far, but for most people I think that would be very difficult to try to extend their awareness that far. So start with yourself and begin to understand the many components, how they are all connected, understand from within the self and begin to communicate these different components to each other because one thing I have come to see over many years of work with people is how little most of us actually know about ourselves.
There are many ways of getting to get in touch, especially from thoughts and intellect or the emotion. The physical body has an enormous amount to disclose and teach especially how much is stored but also how much is not known and not disclosed because the conscious mind doesn’t have a reference for what information can come from it and from there using the external environment when I say it I mean nature and life and looking at aspects of our external direct environment and natural environment as a mirror to those aspects of ourselves to represent the true nature and our essential self.

Harun: You’re listening to the consciousness revolution show with myself Harun Rabbani and our guests, Lindsay Wagner, Bionic Woman formally and also Konstantin Pavlidis. We are going to take in listener’s questions right now, and Neva Baron from Michigan, USA, I hope I pronounced your name correctly, said Lindsay, please go into a little more detail about explaining the term life force. Lindsay?

Lindsay: I’m here.

Harun: Just checking. What do you mean by life force?

Lindsay: We aren’t what makes us alive or anything else. There is a force and perhaps Konstantin can give a scientific, better explanation of it because I’m talking about that force of nature, that force of God, that force of universal intelligence that has such intelligence that it knows how to beat my heart, it knows how to breathe my body, it knows how to grow a tree, the intelligence and the force alone is its just there, and we are in tune with that and we can direct it at times but most of the time we are trying to control things when in fact, for example when you burn yourself on the stove and you just let it be, it’s gonna heal itself. The life force, that flow of that intelligence, of that energy of whatever, all of that could be described by maybe some wonderful scientists but not me, it knows what to do, that life force is there, and it has such intelligence that it knows exactly how to take care of that life force is filled with what we get through our intuition as well, its a… don’t know if that helps you in any, but…

Harun: What is life force either from scientific or social point of view?

Konstantin: Well, I think life force translates from force from within us, which is bio energy. It can be seen as Prana, Qi, Chi, Lung, all cultures have a different word for it but they mean the same thing but I agree with Lindsay in terms with it having a link with something we could call universal consciousness and it definitely has its own intelligence but within us and there are different grades of it because I see life force fundamentally as a level of organization of information. The more aware of it you are the more organization there is and the more contact and communication you have with it. Interesting enough I was having another quantum physicist today and I was discussing what he was doing because lots of people are trying to sell the power of brainstorming and what we meant is when we have 20-30 people together and we’re thinking about one particular concept, there is a high energy, you can call that the life force and lots of wonderful ideas come out but as a result of all the research he has done that lasts for about a three minute period.

Most people, especially when they bring this concept into corporate context because he has been working in that field for about 30 years. Dr Kevin Barons is his name and he was saying that their main interest is basically was getting results quickly so basically it entails people who don’t know each other trying to get quick results within an hour and he found a lot of people asking subconscious questions like why should I listen to this, why should I be doing this etc. So, this is to do how well in tune you are with your own life force. So the whole purpose of doing any meditative practice for example is switching off that part of ourselves that is the judge, that is trying to discriminate and put things into boxes and open up to a more larger domain or realm which I call creativity, which is part of creation and that is where when Lindsay says the overall intelligence lies so when you align yourself with that intelligence I would say that’s when you truly become more intelligent.

Harun: Thank you for that Konstantin and another question is from Andrea, and Andrea is from Brazil and Andrea asks Lindsay, I would like to know how it is possible to be free from a past sorrow and cohabit peacefully with the person who hurt me.

Lindsay: Ah, I would say come to my workshop. It takes me two or three days to really take you through it but I’ll describe a little bit about how I see experiencing the pain, now that it’s over. We talked about it in a physical way about burning your hand and if you let it go and the body knows what to do and it fixes itself. Again, I don’t propose to be giving any scientific explanations but I will say it in a way that may give you a sense of what may be true, and being able to describe in other ways by a scientist but I see when pain lingers, there’s a negative energy stuck in your energy field.

And it presents itself until it is released. There’s several ways to look at it. In the 60s – 70s they started using terms like cell memory, emotional cell memory, today people talk about energy more because recognizing that a cell is a certain form of pattern of energy that manifested itself. So, your response, the way I see it, to what they did that hurt you was really a function of some viewpoint, perspective, of something that you already have before that happened, before that incident, and when that incident happened, this perspective which already carried pain with it, lets say however you got it because we don’t really have time to get into how perspectives got there to me because to me it’s all about our conditioning, from intuitive conditioning to when all the years that we have been exposed to various attitudes and experiences as well as our genetic inheritance because that is emotional as well as physical.

So something was programmed about that type of thing happening to you, and you had an automatic response to it and if that response is hurt and a belief that you can’t possibly love me or that you don’t respect me because you did that, that is a perspective that you carry, that is continuing to hurt you now beyond the incident. And it’s because of your perspective of it that you continue to feel the pain, not because it was done. If you are able to experience pain or insults, or whatever without knowing what your experience was or what they did to hurt you it’s hard for me to speak directly to it but metaphorically whatever that is that you experience when it lingers its a function of how we see it and so getting in and releasing the negative energy, or looking, finding the perspective, you might be able to find the perspective on a conscious level and recognize that that is actually what is hurting you, but most of the time, recognizing that is saying “Now how do I get rid of it because the pain still hurts” that’s where things like EMT or energy psychology which is tapping on the meridians to get rid of the old pain that came with that programmed initially, just stuck in your energy field.

It’s a longer conversation than that can be had now. That’s one of the best ways that is called Emotional Freedom Technique which is something that people can learn and to me if its like defragging the computer, going in there and pulling out the old wound that was re-stimulated right now by the person’s behavior that you are living with and also there may be attitudes, and/or there may be attitudes about deserving this when why we cannot forgive sometimes is as simple as we grew up hearing, and therein adopting a mentality that says (clip 5 ends here. next clip starts with Harun.)

Harun: Um Lindsay, can you briefly talk about the Quiet your Mind, Open your Heart Workshop? We’ve got listeners from all over the world, not just London and England but actually all over the world, from North America and Latin America as well as well as Asia. But for London listeners and European listeners what is the Quiet your Mind, Open your Heart Workshop that you’ve been delivering?

Lindsay: Well, it is actually addressing her question, I share with people, the techniques and the ideas that I have found that has exponentially helped my life, helped me have a more peaceful life, a less self conscious, all of the things that we all have and we think that we fell along with it that we all share these functions and pains that we go through and stresses that I have found in my life I think, the day my life changed so dramatically when I got older, my first shift was when I realized that we have the ability to just heal it, that we are connected to this amazing life force and we can just heal and heal things and anything.

Psychologically, psychological healing I think that defining moment for myself came not till I was in my early forties when I was doing some work with a counselor and I realized and accepted what she was trying to get through to me that I am responsible for my feelings about things. People are responsible for their own behavior but for my feeling about it and whether or not it continues to hurt me is about me and that I have the ability to go in and shift that. So all of the techniques I learnt up to that point and subsequently, when I started doing workshops, it was motivated by the fact that I have come in contact with some amazing people that I know that most people haven’t had the grace to do therefore I have become motivated to start sharing with people that which has so significantly introduced and impacted my life.
So it is very experiential, we do a lot of releasing and techniques that I share with you and several of them teach them to have as your own now and you can go on your life with that. I say you go home you don’t go anywhere when you travel without your toothbrush or your various things. To me there is a bag of tricks of constantly releasing things that come up and in a permanent way so many of them go away permanently, many of them can shift permanently, and I would venture to almost everything could but I’m not there yet myself so but exponentially you know, I have changed and that’s what I pass on in the workshop.

Harun: If you are in London, and you’re listening to the interview on the web, all you need to do is click on the link which says Quiet your Mind, Open your Heart Workshop, click on the link and it will take you directly to the booking page. Lindsay will be there on Thursday, 7th of October. An absolutely amazing workshop. By the looks of it, I’ll be there, that’s for sure and make sure you book now because the place is all gonna go. For those of you who are interested in any of Lindsay’s workshops, all you do is click on where it says “More about Lindsay Wagner” or, if you’re listening elsewhere via the other method via the web type lindsaywagnerinternational.com and I’m guessing it would be forward slash events page or go to the events page. Now lets go into more questions, Lindsay…

Lindsay: May I just finish one thing? The London evening is just a, it’s a short version. We wont be going into all of the various techniques. We will be focusing on the oneness meditation, on the oneness blessing, which is what I was talking about earlier, that came from India just so people are not confused when I get there and go “But I thought you were going to teach homeopathy”. I will be teaching a few of those little techniques to go with that but I wont be teaching that whole course because we don’t have time in one evening.

Harun: Absolutely not. And you know one thing Lindsay, that I have to say is very, very important, having attended many, many workshops, I would rather learn the technique if it’s the first time I’m learning it and master that technique, than to learn a whole series of techniques and not be able to apply them once I’ve left the workshop. So you know, I’d certainly recommend, it’s certainly worthwhile going to the evening, and if you can make it to the weekend workshops, for sure, go along to that. Now, I don’t know if we are going to go through enough questions but we can extend the time if that is okay with you, Lindsay, we have a question from Jill in West Sussex, she’s saying as a compassionate, caring person get angry and feel such sadness when people commit acts of cruelty to others and helpless animals. How do we possibly change such so-called human beings?

Lindsay: Yeah, well, first I always recommend when we are looking at something like that to go back within you, how to, what parts about that brings you such pain. The better you understand yourself and your own negative programs that perhaps bring about certain behaviors in you that others would like to maybe change about you. The better, and easier it is to understand and be compassionate to people who are unconscious and in their unconsciousness causing pain to others. So, if you’re asking me this in a session for example, I would ask you to start by working on the severity of the pain that you feel through some of the techniques because a lot of times, and believe me I understand this one, I have it still at times but it’s much easier for me to continue to be compassionate with a perpetrator as well as the victim today than it was in the past.

I’ve worked with domestic violence offenders in jails who are serving time in America. We have very strict rules about domestic violence now that we didn’t used to have laws and so there is a program in the L.A. county jail. It’s a similar thing. And being able to look at your own judgmental programming and look at how much of your pain is being caused by you projecting your feelings onto that victim. A lot of what we feel, it’s not that we don’t feel compassion for things like that, believe me that is not what I mean but a lot of the suffering we have about things like that has to do with our own experience of victimhood which is also something that can be worked on and more deeply healed therefore when we are not the victim what we see is more clearly the two individuals that are having that circumstance or if it’s an animal it’s another conversation but still the unconsciousness, for example when working with domestic violence offenders, having gone through as much healing as I did growing up with that, having my stepfather beating up my mother, and being helpless around that, and all of those feelings of helplessness and hopelessness and fear and dread and all that, wherever there was a lot of that programming, it just gets stimulated when we see for example seeing a mother yelling at her child at the parking lot, outside of the toy store, just what have that two year old could possibly done to deserve that kind of reaction.

It’s the same kind of thing. A vegetarian, you know, you think about how animals are treated. But when I investigate, when I take my own medicine, and I come back and ask myself what is hurting me, one of the things I recognize is that I am judging that person and judgment and the fear of that happening to me and the old pain of what I remember has happened to me, it all involves in my response to that, so I am not clear what those people would even need if I did have the opportunity to help them change, because I am projecting my stuff on to them, and the more you become clear about how to heal with your reactions to things, the more compassion you will have, the more intelligence will flow through that compassion, you will be able to see what you can do to be more constructive to help the outside world change if you even need to.

Harun: Okay that is such a great answer; absolutely love what you have to say there. Debbie from Toronto in Canada is saying I attended your introduction workshop in Toronto in July and I want to thank you Lindsay, it’s made me focus on positive things and while I go through my chemo treatments. My question is how do I stay focused as I find that sometimes the bad things come into my thoughts while I try and focus on the positive things. Thank you Lindsay.

Lindsay: Yeah, so that’s where the other techniques come in for me, we didn’t have time to go through the tapping. There’s one thing about staying focus on the positive, but I feel that sometimes that so-called positive thinking can also kind of take us away from the acceptance of a present truth. And so some of the work that we do in the workshops is looking at not being afraid to experience the pain that we are experiencing, but not get mesmerized by it. It is my experience that it does not cause it to continue if we’re just experiencing it, in a high place to allow it to move through, and if you just cannot experience, you can’t stay focused on a positive thought and you have this fear if it will work or not, let’s say if you fear whether the chemo will work or not, recognize that you have that thought, and allow yourself to just resonate with the fear and acknowledge that it’s just a thought, it’s only a program in you, it’s not inherent truth. And I think in that workshop we did, if I remember correctly, can you write back again?

Harun: Yes yes. Yes they can. Debbie do you mind, if you are still listening, write straight back please and…

Lindsay: I want to ask you if we did in that workshop, did we have that meditation cards? And there were those two statements about accepting one’s faults, problems and limitations, give strength and ability to love. Did we do that exercise there?

Harun: Okay, so we’re gonna wait Debbie’s response. In the meantime let’s take Julia’s question. Julia is from Vancouver in Washington. Julia is saying hi Lindsay, do you believe that people are able to communicate with telepathy of some sort? Are we able to form some sort of link through our connectedness to others?

Lindsay: Telepathy. Sure, telepathy is quite real. And I think there is a lot of scientific research even that backs all of it, perhaps Konstantin would know that a bit more than I, as far as that kind of thing if you are interested in that kind of explanation and can we develop it? Yes there are way to develop it, I’ve never personally focused on developing my telepathy where I know other people have, but it is my experience that as you become more connected to and more aware of yourself in your connection to the life force that telepathy is being more and more intuitive is just one of the benefits of that attunement. But I don’t have that much specific stories I’m telling you we’re gonna find that information.

Harun: Is there telepathy? Do we have some level of telepathy? for this current level of human evolution?

Konstantin: Well, I do agree with Lindsay again there that it has been something that is an integral part of human consciousness for a very long time. Research has been done in many areas. I have got a colleague in Russia who has done research, Dr Konstantin Korotov from the St. Petersburg university where one person was in St. Petersburg and one person was in Venezuela, they hooked them both up and they sync their time with watches and they basically they were independent of each other over a distance of many thousands of miles and they were able to not only to at the same time go into through meditation, an altered state of consciousness that was trance like but their brainwave patterns were syncing in. So that one was tuning in to the other was showing up in the EEG and the ECG and the heart rate variability etc.

Another chap that I have recently met up with and he’s got an institute over the past twenty years had trained ex KGB, police and military so these people don’t go for those who are considered to be [very fairly new age]. His institute trains people to move objects within 45 minutes of training and telekinesis, telepathy and healing. It is very well known; it has more than 200,000 students internationally so he is doing very well at actually training people at such telepathic techniques. But just to say something on the back of the question that was asked to Lindsay and I agree very much with her on what she is saying regarding pain and suffering. There are many aspects associated to both of these that are so strongly embedded within patterning and what keeps those patterns very, very stuck to our belief system associated with the emotions and the thoughts which are connected with pain and suffering and in addition to that there is a strong, a very strong biochemical through the hormones and electrical set of patterns that the brain follows and is basically accustomed to. And when the absence is there the body actually starts to feel that something is wrong. So people get addicted to their pain and suffering is basically what scientific evidence has been able to show.

Harun: Lindsay, we have actually come to the end of the show, more or less, however I don’t know if you have enough time and I do know you have to do a lot of travelling, are you able to stay on for another 5-10 minutes to answer lots more questions. Are you able to do that at all?

Lindsay: Sure

Harun: Okay brilliant. Thank you very much. Jaz from London asks in 2002 you were a goodwill ambassador to the United Nations Global Peace Summit for Women, Religions and Spiritual Leaders held in Geneva. You asked me to escort you to the banquet and (I’m so jealous), I sat next to you in the dinner and (I am, honestly) I asked a question then about a woman who came to be. I would like to ask another question: what things will you do in the near future purely as an active goodwill. What things do you feel the average person on the street should do purely as an act of goodwill?

Lindsay: When would I be answering this question? What will I do in the future? That’s kind of for me, I’m always kind of spontaneous, I don’t know how to answer it because I don’t know that I have anything at this moment that I have been thinking about or doing so let me answer the second part of it I guess its really for people who resonate with, to allow themselves, let me rephrase that — I don’t think that there is any one thing or some things that I can say for people to do, but as an act, purely of an act of goodwill, but to look for from within, look for that which would you are inspired to do because our gifts are so different.

Our perspectives, our connections in life are different, our propensity in life is different, so I think what’s important is to look within yourself for the willingness to do something strictly out of goodwill. And if you find a resistance to that then explore that and recognize that when you do that, well you may not be able to recognize till you experience it but once you do, pick something but with a personal feel. Some people volunteering at a hospital just to go round and make people happy would be very, just to talk to them in a very stressful time, but some people have a weak stomach and couldn’t stand to see and so going in there and having cringing in your body isn’t going to be the one for you — because they’re gonna feel that when you’re in there because you want to do something out of goodwill – it is also something that you can feel well up in you. Look at something that draws you and extends your life energy in that direction, that’s what I would say to that.

Harun: Okay, Ben from Irvine, California asks, we worked a lot on how to negative emotions with the tapping, but what should I do when I know I should do something that would be good for my future but it will be very hard but otherwise require a lot of self discipline which is something I don’t want to do. What is the best way to handle that?

Lindsay: Well look and see if you really want it or if you are doing something that is going to be worth it to where it’s going to get you so you might need to zoom the camera back and ask the reason why you’re gonna do something you don’t want to do and when you said good for your future, explore what that means to you. Because if it’s something that inspires you and you really want to get there what you have to do on the way is much easier. But if your motives are less than what’s going to be driving your life in a positive way, then that’s going to be a totally different answer.

But also look at your willingness and maybe use the tapping on even though I have this feeling I don’t want to do that or I’m not willing to go through what it takes to do that in my life. So you can also extend the tapping into about how you feel in doing that or your resistance to doing that. You can use the tapping process in that fashion as well. And then you might find something’s floating up in your mind as you’re releasing the resistance because doesn’t mean you have to go do it, it just means that you find yourself without the resistance and you can look more clearly at it. And you might find some more information that may give you a better sense on how to go about it.

Harun: That makes a lot of sense. Terry from Toronto, Canada asks I’m a big fan since the Bionic days, not the good old days, but the Bionic days, which are even better. On one of the episodes your character sings while undercover as a beauty contestant. Have you ever considered a singing career?

Lindsay: I did early on. I actually wanted to be a singer before I wanted to be an actress but the acting thing came up, I was singing for a short while and a backup in a group, and I sang in high school and I kind of really kind of want to do that but I think my, I don’t know, my karma, my destiny is just so acting came so strongly for me for most people would sell their souls to go do it that it was, as much as I don’t know about destiny sometimes that part of my life just seems that I don’t have that much of a choice about it. It kind of chased me as opposed to me chasing it, so yes, the answer is yes, I have thought about in any case it was interesting at that time.

 I think that what I’ve seen in retrospect is what would have been a much more difficult pathway, it was more frightening for me to go out to sing but that is what I wanted to do, and I didn’t do it long enough to get over it in that venue. Because when you want to sing you just sing “Hi, this is me, hi this is Lindsay Wagner and I’m going to sing and you’re gonna judge me or not. You’re gonna like me or not?” But I never had the fear in acting because if you didn’t like what I did you just didn’t care for the character or I always felt it kept judgment one step away, now that wasn’t conscious in my mind when I was young and going through that time and going through acting but in retrospect I noticed I wonder why that I thought I was never frightened go out and do acting as I was when I go out and sing. And I realized it was a self-esteem issue.

Harun: Okay um, here are a couple more quick fire questions now. And first of all Jane from New York City is saying when are you coming to New York to conduct your workshop?

Lindsay: Well, I don’t know about New York specifically, but we’re going to be set up some more in the US next year and I honestly don’t know what they are but we know at least we have one person coming if we do.

Harun: Great, so just watch the website which is lindsaywagnerinternational.com and go to their events page and you want to go to one of Lindsay’s workshop and I’m going to put this particular interview upon YouTube and I’m sure Lindsay will have it on her site as well so keep an eye out for that. I’ve got a question from Jean in Manilla, Phillipines, is it true that meditation is much more effective when the moon is full, or done in a higher place like in a mountain because connection with the divine is much more easier.

Lindsay: I can only give you my experience, and it definitely is easier when there are less distractions in a forest or in a place where there are fewer electromagnetic bombardment from sitting beneath the cellphone tower or something and that’s definitely my experience so it makes sense to me that having made those, having heard what you just mentioned it makes lots of sense to me through my experience, the full moon —

Harun: Konstantin, as a spiritual teacher, well what’s your answer to that question?

Konstantin: Definitely yes. One of the things that Lindsay’s right about is no interferences will always exist when you’re up on the mountain, it also raises the energies in your body because you’re picking up energy that has basically got a component that has raised you higher from earth and there’s a negative charge on the earth and a positive charge toward the mountains, scientifically speaking some of my colleagues have done research with water, and during full moon found far more activity in water then when the moon is waning or on its way to growing. Knowing that the body is made 70% of water by volume and 99% molecularly I would say that’s affecting the water in the cells in our bodies and therefore you are going to have a far greater effect.

Harun: The answer — I’m going to take up more questions and then I’m going to end the show because we’re way out of time and maybe we will have Lindsay back again very soon. Now Pretti from Delhi in India is saying please suggest a technique for forgiving and more so to stop our mind from taking revenge on someone you have so dearly loved and who has wrongly been basically has wronged me where no amount of compassion and meditation works to cease the feeling of revenge, that’s more of like feeding revenge. How do I get rid of it? Not me, but this listener.

Lindsay: Well, you can try this, I haven’t really tried to teach someone without them in the class but if you go to lindsaywagnerinternational.com and you go to the about page, and you click on the words tapping papers, you will see the point I use when I teach in the class to do it. So if you have a feeling, a feeling of revenge, a feeling of resentment, a feeling of judgment, you can start by using the words that are around there, encircling the point. You’ll see that there is a diagram on the body and you will see there are acupuncture points that are numbered in the sequence that I suggest that you work them.

And if you start with the words on there, for example, I would have you say even though I have you circle the fleshy part of your left breast, over sometimes where we say the heart is even though that is not really where the heart is and over the left breast, you circulate that, just rub it up and out towards the shoulders in small circles, you don’t want to circle it in towards your sternum, you wanna circle up and away from the sternum in a small and circular motion, at the fleshy part above of your left breast. Just circulate there for a minute and then say “Even though I have this feeling of revenge I deeply, completely and profoundly accept myself” and say that three times and “Even though I have this feeling of revenge I deeply, completely and profoundly accept myself” and then say it again, and then look at that picture, that diagram of the body and just tap with your hands and the points on the body that are on there, and without being able to show you how to do it you might find some relief by doing that on your own, even if what you are doing is not exactly right but you may still find some relief.

And then see how you feel afterwards and if you feel that that feeling has changed from revenge, the feeling of revenge, then see what you feel, maybe you just feel angry or hurt and then do it again on the same fleshy part and start saying “Even though I have this feeling of hurt or this feeling of sadness or this whatever, this anger I deeply, completely and profoundly accept myself” and then tap on the point and then say this hurt, this anger as you’re tapping on the points. That is really a fast way to start what I consider to be pulling the threads out, breaking down the matrix that is holding the pain in place on an energy level, kind of bypassing your mind, you don’t have to analyze it or anything, just acknowledge that you have it and start tapping the energy the frequency of anger and resentment and revenge out of your energy system and you instantly start feeling a shift from that without having to use your mind other than having to discipline your fingers to do the right thing, to do the process.

Harun: You’re listening to the Consciousness Revolution Show with myself Harun Rabbani and also guests Konstantin Pavlidis and some special, special, super special guest the Bionic Woman Lindsay Wagner, I know you get to the other stuff quickly, I know you get, I’m going to take, there are a couple more questions that I must take and I put this one to Konstantin actually, what is the — this is from Glen in [Howell], what is the differences between meditation and self hypnosis?

Konstantin: Well, self hypnosis involves your conscious an intervention to try to assist oneself to shut down a part of the sympathetic nervous system, basically that part of you that does all the controlling says, you know, move my arm, move my body, I’m going to get up now and have a cup of tea or whatever and the other one is basically acting at a more subconscious level initially. It depends on the type of meditation but utilizing the parasympathetic nervous system so that one can go to an opening state of relaxation and more importantly empty his mind of the chatter.

Harun: so for those of you who have just joined in and you have missed any of the questions, we have loads of questions, we have read it during the show, for those of you who have missed it hang on the web that is, hang on to the link and you can listen to the replay straight away, probably about in less than 5 minutes, I’m just going to set it up for you. Now, we had Debbie on the line earlier on, and if you remember Lindsay, she said Lindsay, I don’t remember any meditation cards and I was very ill at that time of the seminar, it was very hard to concentrate but do remember needing a lot of relief and a sense of peace. So you are —

Lindsay: If you go on that same page I just suggested, and I say that there’s an other suggestion for the person who is talking about revenge as well, it’s a good, short technique, on that same pages that you will come to when you click on tapping [papers], you’re going to see something at the bottom that are sentences, that are number three or number four, and those two sentences are [IUA] while you’re saying those sentences three times each, number three and number four, you rub the same spot over your lower of your left or you right breast with your opposite hand. Just circulate away from the sternum and you circulate and say I deeply, completely and profoundly accept myself with all my faults, problems and limitations.

So there is way enough information, and when you do that it stimulates the acupuncture, the meridian system at the same time it’s far more powerful, and the statement is about accepting everything in your life so if you can accept it at this moment, you’re not going to engage any of your negative programming about it, because you’ve just move into an acceptance. So the statements are I very deeply, completely and profoundly accept myself with all my faults, problems and limitations, and I deeply, completely and profoundly accept myself with all my gifts, my strengths, ability to love, because we often find ourselves, or don’t notice that we are but we are often rejecting our good and focused on the bad so opening to all the possibilities, our gifts, our strengths, the good in us, as well as accepting which mean, not judging gives them an opportunity to be released, believe it or not. We try to fight back, we have those negative thoughts, all these problems, we try to ignore it. That’s how I got my [own office.]

Harun: Well folks, we’re actually out of time. For those of you who are really keen on learning more, don’t just listen to the show because this is important show of course. More importantly, go and experience the workshops with Lindsay Wagner, and she is in London, and she is in different parts of the world. If you are visiting here from any parts of the world click on to more about Lindsay Wagner. If you are looking to see her in one of the workshops in England etc, click on to Open your Heart and Quiet your Mind, the other way round, and click on the link and for those of you who have joined the show yet, subscribe to the show and you will get more information as when we have our next guest, we should have one next week, we just got confirmed by my speaker, and so before we finish the show, Lynn, let me just say, thank you, Konstantin for joining us on the Consciousness Revolution Show.

Konstantin: Thank You

Harun: And Lindsay, any final comments, parting comments you would like to make before we end this show.

Lindsay: Actually I’d like to thank you for doing the type of show that you are doing. It’s wonderful. And it is wonderful to be on here with Konstantin, and Konstantin, thank you, and it was a joy to hear come to elaborate in ways that I could not, on the things we were talking about. I thank you for having me on the show and for doing the type of thing that you are doing. It’s a wonderful blend. It should be done more often. Many blessings everyone out there, and thank you for listening.

Harun: Lindsay, thank you very much, I mean it’s certainly a dream come through to have you on my show and when you are in London again I will certainly meet you and when you are in London next month and on the 7th October and also we will see you again the next time you are here in England.
Thank you for coming to the show, thank you listeners for listening in. We hope to speak to you very soon, take care, good night, god bless.

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